Another 30 years for Henry, Duke of Gloucester

Erdmurthe Sophie died in 1670, so even if she does marry Gloucester and dies at the same date it opens him up to marry again.
I'm thinking on which Princess (Saxonian or Danish one) is better. The Saxonian match is the most butterfly-safe one (though still with butteflies in form of York-Cumberland duo staying in command during Second Dutch War). The Danish one quickly creates the ripple of butterflies through the Europe.
But those two are the highest ranking Protestant princesses available as of 1660.
 
Also, with the surviving Gloucester the son of Duke of York won't be styled Duke of Cambridge (Earldom of Cambridge was Gloucester subsidiary title) but would be Duke of Kendall instead.
 
I'm thinking on which Princess (Saxonian or Danish one) is better. The Saxonian match is the most butterfly-safe one (though still with butteflies in form of York-Cumberland duo staying in command during Second Dutch War). The Danish one quickly creates the ripple of butterflies through the Europe.
But those two are the highest ranking Protestant princesses available as of 1660.
Given that Gloucester's survival probably butterflies away a huge event (the Glorious Revolution), I too would prefer a bride that doesn't have severe repercussions for the rest of Europe's history (which Anna Sophia of Denmark most certainly would - although she would be the most likely one).

Also, with the surviving Gloucester the son of Duke of York won't be styled Duke of Cambridge (Earldom of Cambridge was Gloucester subsidiary title) but would be Duke of Kendall instead.

Yes. And I would wager James's second (short-lived) son Edgar might be called the Duke of Clarence in a revival of that title. Or Charles might give James's sons title he eventually used for his illegitimate sons.
 
So, if we're writing the barebones TL, Erdmuthe Sophie of Saxony is the most "butterfly-safe" Duchess of Gloucester...Saxony is still recovering from Thirty Years War, but the silver mines are profitable enough to provide the Princess with sufficient dowry. Her fertility is doubtful, but with James of York's son (TTL Duke of Kendall) surviving and the remarriage possiblity the things for Stuarts are still interesting.
Erdmuthe_Sophie_von_Sachsen

The image of the potential Duchess of Gloucester.
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erdmuthe_Sophie_von_Sachsen#mediaviewer/File:1644_Erdmute.jpg

By the way, she was considered one of the most learned women of her age, being a historian and theologist. Sadly, it turned out that her infertility was not caused by close related marriage - she had the metabolic disorder. So she'll likely die around the same time as OTL - leaving the legacy of important patron of arts behind,
 
I was under the impression that 'duke of Cambridge' had to do with the eldest son of the duke of York, since the last bearer of the title 'earl of Cambridge' was Edward IV's grandfather. I had no idea Gloucester held that title OTL. Might he also get a Scots title at the Restoration? I don't know what it would be though - the Scots seldom got above 2 sons alive at the same time, and then it was Rothesay for the eldest, Albany for the next, I think the earldoms of Mar, Ross and Kintyre were the styles but I can't be sure.
 
I was under the impression that 'duke of Cambridge' had to do with the eldest son of the duke of York, since the last bearer of the title 'earl of Cambridge' was Edward IV's grandfather. I had no idea Gloucester held that title OTL. Might he also get a Scots title at the Restoration? I don't know what it would be though - the Scots seldom got above 2 sons alive at the same time, and then it was Rothesay for the eldest, Albany for the next, I think the earldoms of Mar, Ross and Kintyre were the styles but I can't be sure.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Stuart,_Duke_of_Gloucester#Later_life
Duke of Gloucester and Earl of Cambridge.
As for Scottish title...Henry's short living uncle Robert Stuart was styled Duke of Kintyre. Or as alternative "Gloucester and Edinburgh" cliche.
 
I wonder if Charles II will volunteer the title of Duke of Clarence for James' son, given the bad connotations that it had - both with George Plantagenet and also with Guildford Dudley (who threw a hissy because Jane Grey offered him that title instead of the Crown Matrimonial, and she was very clear on that too - that he would be a duke not a king). But if we're reaching back to the Plantagenets for titles - earl of Rutland, earl of March, duke of Bedford - were still available (I think, the English peerages always confuse me when there's things like a dukedom, a marquessate and an earldom of Cambridge
 
The eldest one will be Duke of Kendall, while the second one... Clarence is a possibility since Gloucester also used to be the "Tainted" dukedom. It's Clarence, Hereford, Sussex or making it up at this point.
Unless you want to "divorce" dukedoms of Cambridge and Bedford from respective Earldoms, in which case children of Duke of York still get to have OTL titles with different subsidiaries.
 
The eldest one will be Duke of Kendall, while the second one... Clarence is a possibility since Gloucester also used to be the "Tainted" dukedom. It's Clarence, Hereford, Sussex or making it up at this point.
Unless you want to "divorce" dukedoms of Cambridge and Bedford from respective Earldoms, in which case children of Duke of York still get to have OTL titles with different subsidiaries.

There was quite a bit of title swopping that went on during the 15th century. Members of the aristocracy would sometimes trade in one title and receive another - Edward IV's trading in the title of duke of Bedford comes to mind. Likewise, the earldom of Richmond belonged originally to John, duke of Bedford, then to Edmund Tudor, then it was revived for George, duke of Clarence, another revival and promotion for Henry FitzRoy. Or the earldom of Pembroke seemed to change hands several times as well AFAIR. So maybe Gloucester trades in his earldom of Cambridge for another earldom, the earldom gets granted to Jamie's son.
 
So, if we're writing the barebones TL, Erdmuthe Sophie of Saxony is the most "butterfly-safe" Duchess of Gloucester...Saxony is still recovering from Thirty Years War, but the silver mines are profitable enough to provide the Princess with sufficient dowry. Her fertility is doubtful, but with James of York's son (TTL Duke of Kendall) surviving and the remarriage possiblity the things for Stuarts are still interesting.
Erdmuthe_Sophie_von_Sachsen

The image of the potential Duchess of Gloucester.
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erdmuthe_Sophie_von_Sachsen#mediaviewer/File:1644_Erdmute.jpg

By the way, she was considered one of the most learned women of her age, being a historian and theologist. Sadly, it turned out that her infertility was not caused by close related marriage - she had the metabolic disorder. So she'll likely die around the same time as OTL - leaving the legacy of important patron of arts behind,

Reading through the translated Wiki page you're right, Erdmuthe Sophie would be a good choice. No one would question her Protestant bona-fides, an alliance with one of the more well-known Protestant powers and she would do well in the Restoration court. Charles II would probably like her. Then later, Henry could remarry someone else who just came of age (like one of the daughters of Eberhard III of Wurttemberg) or the widowed Maria of Nassau.

This TL is not predicated on whether Henry has children (although if he does there is zero chance he supports a revolt by nephew William of Orange) though it is interesting to see who they would marry (particularly any girls). Just that Henry's mere existence into James's reign is enough to butterfly quite a bit (I would not be surprised if he could apply enough pressure on James to tone down the absolutism,pro-Catholic sympathies or arguments for Toleration).

The eldest one will be Duke of Kendall, while the second one... Clarence is a possibility since Gloucester also used to be the "Tainted" dukedom. It's Clarence, Hereford, Sussex or making it up at this point.
Unless you want to "divorce" dukedoms of Cambridge and Bedford from respective Earldoms, in which case children of Duke of York still get to have OTL titles with different subsidiaries.

Yeah, I think Mar, Bedford and Rutland, already taken, would not be used. The English Earl of March title was given to Charles' illegitimate son, Charles Lennox who also made Duke of Richmond and Lennox (both royal titles) in 1675. If Henry lives and little James/Charles/Edgar/other sons then one of those might go to him. The Scottish Earl of March was awarded to the Earl of Wymss only in 1697 so that's a possibility. Ross and Kintyre are also. I wouldn't even be surprised if Charles comes up with new ones - the Dukedom of Kendal was only used for the first time in 1666. Before that it was an earldom or barony.
 
In fact, it would be deeply ironic (with Saxony marriage) if by 1670 the only Stuart brother with kids will be the one who married morganatically (Duke of York).
The marriage market of 1673 will be interesting as Charles II will be looking for wives for both his brothers and a bride for nephew (providing James, Duke of Cambridge/Kendal does not get affected by epidemics).
 
In fact, it would be deeply ironic (with Saxony marriage) if by 1670 the only Stuart brother with kids will be the one who married morganatically (Duke of York).
The marriage market of 1673 will be interesting as Charles II will be looking for wives for both his brothers and a bride for nephew (providing James, Duke of Cambridge/Kendal does not get affected by epidemics).

Well, York will want a Catholic wife, Charles will want a Protestant for his nephew, and I really don't know how Gloucester might decide - most likely Protestant, since he seems to have shared his uncle - the late prince of Wales - sentiments about two religions not being able to share the same bed. Wonder if Liselotte can somehow end up in London instead of Paris or the Hague?
 
Well, York will want a Catholic wife, Charles will want a Protestant for his nephew, and I really don't know how Gloucester might decide - most likely Protestant, since he seems to have shared his uncle - the late prince of Wales - sentiments about two religions not being able to share the same bed. Wonder if Liselotte can somehow end up in London instead of Paris or the Hague?

Liselotte is the good candidate for second Duchess of Gloucester as well. She's too old for Cambridge/Kendall and just of the right age for second wife of Gloucester - who probably will get used to "not very pretty but very witty wife" during his first Saxon marriage.
 
And regarding Protestant wife for Charles' nephew (whatever styling is used) it may be the same as the one used in A et D - aka Sophie-Charlotte of Hannover. Though the marriage brings porphyry back into Stuart line, so even with preserved Protestant Stuarts on the throne we may end up with George III expy in the long run.
 
Not quite relevant but I love the anecdote that James remonstrated with Charles for walking about unaccompanied by armed guards. Charles is reputed to have replied "I walk about London safely as any assassin would know that, should I die, you would become King".
 
And regarding Protestant wife for Charles' nephew (whatever styling is used) it may be the same as the one used in A et D - aka Sophie-Charlotte of Hannover. Though the marriage brings porphyry back into Stuart line, so even with preserved Protestant Stuarts on the throne we may end up with George III expy in the long run.

Of course Sophie Charlotte would also butterfly away the entire Prussian dynasty as we know it - which would have huge effects on Europe.

Not quite relevant but I love the anecdote that James remonstrated with Charles for walking about unaccompanied by armed guards. Charles is reputed to have replied "I walk about London safely as any assassin would know that, should I die, you would become King".

That is funny. The Dan Quayle of heir apparents?
 
my apologies for (possibly) necro'ing a thread, but I was curious, if Henry of Gloucester has any sons, would they marry at home (i.e. Diana de Vere, Elizabeth Percy, Henrietta Wentworth) or abroad - and would the fact that Henry is as protestant as James was Catholic affect this?
 
my apologies for (possibly) necro'ing a thread, but I was curious, if Henry of Gloucester has any sons, would they marry at home (i.e. Diana de Vere, Elizabeth Percy, Henrietta Wentworth) or abroad - and would the fact that Henry is as protestant as James was Catholic affect this?

I would wager it depends how close any of Henry's sons (daughters would certainly be married for royal alliances) were to the throne. If young James of Kendall (in this TL) survives and James II still married Mary of Modena and has the James Francis Edward (in OTL, in this one he might might be called something else) then along with James' daughters it might seem Henry's kids will be distant from the throne and marriage to an eligible English heiress might be allowed...or perhaps a a member of the lower European royals who came with a large dowry on the Continent- something one of Henry's sons could inherit on their throne.
 
For Prince Henry's wife, I like Princess Sophia Dorothea of Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Glucksburg, the daughter of Duke Philip of Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Glucksburg. Sophia Dorothea is a few years older than Henry. However, age brings wisdom.
 
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