Annexation of parts of China

These kinds of things always award France absurdly generous amounts if land in China.

I think parts of China like Guangxi and Yunnan could go independent because of the western powers colonizing them first, the only question is how it will happen.
 
The map you've posted would need a complete Chinese collapse. By annexation do you mean full annexation, or a Raj-style occupation?

It's possible for China to balkanize pre or post Qing, but you also have to respect the fact that there seems to be some sort of historical inertia pulling China back together (could do with the fact the North Chinese plains aren't very defensible at all + massive cultural sphere...), so however disunited China gets there's always going to be a residual pull somewhere by someone trying to unite it again. If these powers are merely colonial powers in the 17th and 18th century, then I don't think this annexation will last after decolonization starts or European wars flare up. But if you go back far enough, some of what you've posted (namely Tibetan/Mongol/Korean borders) are quite plausible.

The South China thing is a bit silly unless that's occupied by some foreign power. Vietnam would never have the strength to take Guangdong alone, let alone the three provinces you have drawn out there. The Zhuang were never big enough to cause much of a nuisance east of Dai as well, so you'll have to justify this a bit more (Guangdong is/was bigger than France, Germany, Britain or even European Russia...)
 
The South China thing is a bit silly unless that's occupied by some foreign power. Vietnam would never have the strength to take Guangdong alone, let alone the three provinces you have drawn out there. The Zhuang were never big enough to cause much of a nuisance east of Dai as well, so you'll have to justify this a bit more (Guangdong is/was bigger than France, Germany, Britain or even European Russia...)


Would it have the strength to take Guangdong if China is otherwise occupied by other invasions? The Goths were not nearly strong enough to defeat Rome by themselves, but they managed because Rome was weakened and spread out. In this TL, China would be weakened and spread out.
 
Would it have the strength to take Guangdong if China is otherwise occupied by other invasions? The Goths were not nearly strong enough to defeat Rome by themselves, but they managed because Rome was weakened and spread out. In this TL, China would be weakened and spread out.

As explained earlier it's certainly plausible that whoever happens to have a base of support in Annam will be capable of stepping into the vacuum should a Chinese dynasty disintegrates. Yet to justify his rule he will have to proclaim himself as the legitimate Emperor of all of China and then back it up with weapons. The end result is that either he conquers all of China which leads to the Kinh assimilating into the Chinese fabric or a rival warlord defeats him and annexes Annam as a province, with the same long-term end result.

Confucius once said that foreigners who come to China become Chinese, and Chinese who go to foreign lands become foreign. His curse still rings true today.
 

Perkeo

Banned
What about an alternate WWII where Japan and the Sowjet union are allies - and some southern neigbors and/or a western colonial force takes whatever remains?
 
What about an alternate WWII where Japan and the Sowjet union are allies - and some southern neigbors and/or a western colonial force takes whatever remains?

If that were to happen most likely it will be through supporting puppet warlords (e.g. Sheng Shicai, Wang Jingwei) who still claim to be the legitimate leader of all of China. Should Stalin send the Red Army to occupy the North China Plain and proclaim a "North Chinese SSR" annexing it into the Soviet Union, the Soviet Union will suddenly be majority Chinese, which makes the Union untenable. More likely the Soviets would use Chinese nationalism to their own advantage by supporting the Communist Party of China after the Allies win, and then hope that Mao Zedong will be a reliable Soviet puppet. Oh, wait...

Japan may have been able to control more of China by backing puppet regimes, but as in OTL the morale of their armies were terrible. In fact the major source of arms for the anti-Japanese resistance in Manchukuo was the Manchukuo army itself. Actually trying to annex parts of China like Taiwan and Korea will lead to a quagmire which threatens the regime in Japan.

As for Britain and France (presumably those colonial powers), World War 2 was itself the death warrant for European overseas empires.

The premise of this timeline swims against an idea which has been entrenched for the past two thousand years. Foreign powers will almost definitely back a puppet to conquer all of China with the hopes he will be a slavish puppet. Yet the Soviets found out the hard way that this doesn't work either.
 
On second thought, if Taiwan were to be colonised by Europeans before the 18th century you will have to butterfly away Koxinga who ejected the Dutch from their already tenuous foothold (who in turn ejected the Catholic Spanish from their foothold). I don't believe that even the most hated regime under any circumstances will not have its armed loyalists.

Koxinga's victory was by no means certain, and the influence the Dutch had on Taiwan was anything but tenuous. Had the Dutch not built their main fort on an essentially waterless island (and lost their mainland forts early on) and recruited more native fighters and had the Chinese not had Dutch defectors helping them, the Dutch probably could have defeated Koxinga.
 
Balhae not falling might have meant that the Mongol might never have come to power.

I find Koguryo and Silla uniting via marriage a very cool idea actually.

Good ideas. Goguryeo actually loosely unified Korea during the 400s, so having it actually carrying out the unification and attacking China would change the dynamics. Letting Baekje having greater control over Silla would also be interesting, as it already had colonies in coastal China and Japan.
 

Sumeragi

Banned
My best personal is the King Uija of Baekje escaping to Yamato instead of being captured by Tang and Shilla, where he leads a continuing restoration movement. In OTL, the restoration movement collapsed because of internal conflict within the movement (because of the weak position of Buyeo Pung, the son of Uija who was considered the successor). If Uija had been able to be free, we might see Goguryeo not being destroyed because of the continuing war in Baekje, allowing either Goguryeo to survive longer. Even if Goguryeo fell, the conflict in Baekje would have weakened Shilla, and there is a chance that it might have fallen to to Baekje-Yamato. Who knows? We might actually see Japan and Korea being linked by Kingdom of Baekje.
 
My best personal is the King Uija of Baekje escaping to Yamato instead of being captured by Tang and Shilla, where he leads a continuing restoration movement. In OTL, the restoration movement collapsed because of internal conflict within the movement (because of the weak position of Buyeo Pung, the son of Uija who was considered the successor). If Uija had been able to be free, we might see Goguryeo not being destroyed because of the continuing war in Baekje, allowing either Goguryeo to survive longer. Even if Goguryeo fell, the conflict in Baekje would have weakened Shilla, and there is a chance that it might have fallen to to Baekje-Yamato. Who knows? We might actually see Japan and Korea being linked by Kingdom of Baekje.

Once again, good ideas. However, I thought that Goguryeo fell because the three brothers thought that one was attempting to gain more control, causing an internal crisis, so saving Baekje might not change things significantly. In any case, how successful do you think Goguryeo or Baekje would have been if they attacked some of the Chinese kingdoms before unification?
 
Is it possible for parts of China or huge lands in China to get annexed by a neighboring polity like say Vietnam, Korea, Japan and even Tibet or a colonial power?

France was going to get Guangdong and much of the other Cantonese areas, since they neighbouringed Vietnam. Britain was gonna get Yunnan (beside Burma), Russia gets Manchuria and most of the North. Sinkiang either British or more likely Russian, the rest probably taken by Japan.
 
If anyone is going to take big ol' chucks of land from China, Russia's probably the most likely contender. Decades of Darkness has Russia more or less swallowing the entire northern half, part of Korea, and Tibet.
 
If anyone is going to take big ol' chucks of land from China, Russia's probably the most likely contender. Decades of Darkness has Russia more or less swallowing the entire northern half, part of Korea, and Tibet.

Tibet is unlikely. The British would be too likely to intervene.
 
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