Anne Boleyn's Brood

Discussion in 'Alternate History Discussion: Before 1900' started by Kynan, Dec 18, 2013.

  1. Kynan Well-Known Member

    Oct 7, 2013
    1542: The year opens in France, where Queen Eleanor lay in her apartments awaiting to give birth to her first child by Francis Valois. At 44, there was a risk that she would not survive, but she was healthy and there wasn’t much she could do now. When she began to go into labour on the 16th of January, it was noted that she simply went (translated into English):

    “…excuse me, would you kindly fetch the midwife? I am at the start of a miracle that is known to most women…”

    The birth, which began so nonchalantly lasted a grueling 28 hours, in which the queen broke the hand of one of her attendants. In this time rumours began that the queen had/would die/d and as such people put forward their candidates to be the next queen of England. But on 18th of January Queen Eleanor finally gave birth to her daughter, the soon to be named Eleanor Valois. Born with a clubfoot and a severe birthmark across her back, the girl was immediately pegged for the church by her mother. But at her birth, she was simply the new French princess for Francis to place on the marriage market.

    In Scotland, James Hamilton began preperations for the upcoming birthday of James Stewart. There was a performance to be planned, a banquet to be cooked and a title to be given. The bookish prince looked forward to the proceedings, with a hope that he might be given new lands or titles (he had begun to love the idea of titles and had a keen eye at finances, and realised that he had quite a small income for a crown prince). Having no knowledge of the plan to give him the title of ‘Prince of Moray’, he hoped for a new dukedom to add to his titles.

    When the day finally came, the festivities were lavish. A play of the story of Hercules was done, with the symbolism that Prince James would be the mighty man obvious. Then the banquet, where beer and mead flowed freely and five noblemen were escorted out of the court to settle their differences away from the young princes. Finally, a sense of decoroum was achieved when, at the request of the king, the crown prince was brought to the front of the court. With a ceremony that had been written by a court poet (unfortunately lost in the Great Fire of 1739) that from this point forward all crown princes would rule over the area of Moray as ‘Prince of Moray’ and would live there while growing up. But until the ‘Manor of Moray’ ws completed, James Stewart would stay at the court as usual.

    In England, Jane Clere was pregnant again. After roughly six months of lowered favour from the King, she felt secure in her position as his only mistress. But Jane was gettingly older, and her face was beginning to show it. The once plain yet sweet and youthful woman now aged dramatically, losing Henry as a lover at the same time. After roughly five years of a relationship that gave Jane a loveless marriage, one (soon to be more than one) child and a few small properties up north, Jane was told that she would be moved t more ‘appropriate apartments’ for her husbands station. A slap in the face to the woman, she took a stance that no one expected. Now obviously pregnant but still months away from giving birth, she had her servants pack up her things, got her daughter and left the court. While Henry was fine with her leaving, he loved his daughter and was most put out that he was losing her.

    Anne Boleyn, meanwhile, was getting ready to give birth. By now her pregnancies were routine and the court expected her back by the next month. But the pregnancy had been a hard one. Anne had grown bigger than before. She couldn’t keep much down, and her hair was falling out. She grew to hate the small of horses and also roses, the latter of which most annoying to Henry as he sent a bouquet of roses that he did not see when he visited Anne in late February. In early March (9th) Anne went into labour. The punishing 41 hour labour took a lot out of Anne. Slowly, she managed to get the three children in her belly out of her. Out of the three babies, only two lived. The third, a boy child, was thought to have been much smaller than his brothers; with chesnut hair and Henry’s eyes. The other two, named Edmund and Arthur after their dead uncles, were both big and healthy. Anne did not survive the birth, losing too much blood and dying only three days after she had finished. Henry reacted badly to the loss of his wife and consort, with a fit of madness that had been coming for years. He supposedly did not speak for a week and cried for two, and pulled his hair from his head. One poem that is still said by school children reads:

    Poor King Henry,

    He Lost his Wife.

    Poor King Henry,

    She was his Life.

    Poor King Henry,

    He went Sad.

    Poor King Henry,

    He went Mad.

    Poor King Henry,
    He lost his Hair.

    Poor King Henry,
    We don’t know where.

    Poor King Henry,
    He Lost his Wife.

    Poor King Henry,
    She was his Life.

    In France, Christina of Denamark was awaiting the arrival of her second child. While there was a real love of Princess Catherine, it was made obvious that the court and especially the King was hoping for a boy. But, it was also made clear that she was young, and as such would still be able to provide an heir if this was another girl child. So, on the 3rd of April, she waited to her chambers and the court held their breath. And low and behold, on theshe gave birth to a second daughter. Named Marie-Anne, she was another pretty girl who was immediately placed on the marriage market. And although England’s King was currently holed up in his rooms, there was an offer (sent at Thomas Boleyn’s request) to marry the princess to Arthur Tudor. A good match, they agreed and it was accepted that the girl would leave for England on her tenth birthday.

    In Spain, Elisabeth of Brunswick-Calenberg was almost completely recovered from her arrival trip. Her hair, which was still not very long, was still longer than before and she had gained back all of the weight she had lost. Whie it was obvious to everyone at the court she wasn’t especially bright (she never completely grasped Spanish and Latin remained a complete mystery to her) she was extemely charming and very naïve. When asked if she would ever sit for a portrait, she apparantly said (translated into modern English):

    “…only when my hair is longer and my complexion is clear…”

    But in the meantime, she was trying to get pregnant. At the beginning of the year, Charles V (subtly) told his son that he should begin to try for a child, and that he hoed that the girl was fertile. The Emperor (and his son) were lucky when, in late May, the young girl announced that she was expecting.

    In Scotland, James Hamilton surprised the court by announcing that there would be no huge celebration for the birthday of Robert Stewart. For the first time since he had taken the throne, the now annual festivities were replaced by a day where the royal family ignored the rest of the court and simply spent time together. Nobody knew the reason for this, but it would begin a tradition for the princes, where they would connect with their stepfather in a way that royal children had not done before.

    In England, Henry VIII was slowly coming out of his crazy fit. Supposedly having no memory of it (he apparantly asked Charles Brandon what had happened for the past two months), he spent the next few months eating and, surprisingly, spending time with his children. When he first met his two new sons, he allegedly lamented:

    “…I have been but a neglectful father, and to two beauties of boys…”

    With this being said, both children were immediately sent live at the royal residence at Hatfeild, where they were joined by a small group of attendants. Then, after only three months of mourning, Henry was approached about marrying again. The King, who was still grieving over Anne, purportedly yelled:

    “…she is but not yet buried and ye want me to marry a new woman? Do you have no repect for your dead queen…”

    On that note, Anne’s funeral was a massive event, with a series of somber events taking place to celebrate the life of the woman who had placed a ongoing education plan in England and Ireland and also given the country a plethora of heirs.

    In France, the marriage of Charles Valois and Margaret Douglas appeared fruitful when, in mid July, Margaret announced that she was pregnant. She reacted to her pregnancy with a nonchalant attitude that she seemed to take everything at this point. Charles, conversely, reacted passionately. He immediately had a set of baby toys ordered to built for his child, along with a series of cradles and carriages that would become collector’s items later on.

    In Cleves, Mary Tudor was pregnant again, but so was Catherine Howard. While Mary seemed to have had trouble getting pregnant (there was a rumour that she had a miscarriage mid year 1541), Catherine had simply walked into court one day and -poof- she was pregnant (Catherine had not been at court for 7 months due to a long illness). But Mary was confident that this child would be both an heir to the Dukedom of Jülich-Cleves-Berge and also a way to separate William from Catherine. But in the interim she ate like crazy and visited her daughter.

    In England, Henry was now seeing enemies everywhere. Without the steadying influence of Anne he only had Thomas Boleyn to look after him, and Thomas couldn’t live forever. He was already 65 and Henry wanted younger friends to make him feel like the young prince he once was. Henry wanted a war; he wanted to prove that he could be as ‘glorious’ as he had been in his youth (he forgot that he wasn’t particularly successful in his youth with wars) and looked for reasons to start a fight. But there realy was nothing to do in this respect. France was pretty quiet, non of the Hasburgs were making much noise and Scotland was just trying to settle down and stablise. He looked around for a country to go at, but there really was nothing. Even Ireland was slowly steadying, with relations with the English at an all time high due to the schools and other reforms Anne had set in place before dying. So he waited, having armour made to fit his expanding form and having a higher level set to the army. Over the past ten or so years Europe had gone through a ‘peaceful period’ that had lead to economic reform and a series of marriages that were either done or were coming. But Henry VIII would be the King that would start a war, all because he was feeling lonely after his wifes death.

    In Spain, Elisabeth of Brunswick-Calenberg was feeling sick every morning. She began to hate the taste of fish and love the taste of goat milk and raison bread (something that Phillip had on constant standby). It was obvious to everyone but her that she was pregnant. A story is still told that Phillip mentioned the pregnancy to her and actually made it known to her. But in anycase, Elisabeth was pregnant. Charles V was delighted, with the succession now more secure. While he was ot wrong, it didn’t mean there wasn’t going to be trouble in the near future.

    In contrast, Isabella of Portragul was slowing down. After the near fatal miscarriage of a infant boy in 1539, she couldn’t seem to get pregnant again. Warned by her doctors that another pregnancy would almost certainly lead to her death, she persisted and finally, in late october she found herself again pregnant. Elated by the news, the Emperess fund her spirits sufficiently higher than the sadness that had consummed her before (later psycologists felt that she was depressed). One person who was not happy that she was pregnant, however, was Charles V. After months of advice from the doctors, he really felt that she was putting herself in danger, and he truly loved her wife.

    Finally, Catherine of Austria, wife of John III of Portugal, died of unknown causes. A shocking moment, it placed the King into a panic. While Catherine had not been the most politically active Queen, she had kept him in Charles V’s good books through her constant contact with her brother and had also been a figure of reason. And with only one living son, he now had to remarry, to sure up the succession. So he sent out requests, asking if their were any Catholic Princesses of age that wanted to be Queen of Portragul. One big reply was from the Henry II of Navarre in regards to his daughter Jeanne d'Albret, Princess of Navarre. While a good offer (there was a very high chance that this marriage would result in the union of Navarre and Portragul) he also had to consider other monarchs. But he also had few options open and so, he sat on this thought for a while.
  2. Kynan Well-Known Member

    Oct 7, 2013

    Robert of Scotland (1542)


    Two copies of a portrait of Henry, Prince of Wales (1542/1543)


    Possible portrait done of
    Catherine of Jülich-Cleves-Berge (1542)


    Detail of a portrait of Eleanor Valois with a nurse (1542)


    Mary Tudor (1542)
  3. Kynan Well-Known Member

    Oct 7, 2013
    Discussion Post: Who shoud Maximilian; Heir to Bohemia, Germany, Hungary and Croatia marry? My ideas at the moment are:

    - Archduchess Maria of Austria (OTL wife)

    - Jeanne d'Albret

    - Mechthild of Bavaria

    - Anna Jagiellon of Poland

    - Sophia Jagiellon of Poland

    - Any others you can think of.

  4. Kynan Well-Known Member

    Oct 7, 2013
    bump bump...
  5. Kynan Well-Known Member

    Oct 7, 2013
    Could someone please help me! I need to marry off Jeanne d'Albret to someone to keep Navarre independant for the next generation or two. I need someone who is close by, rich yet has no need to move her away from Navarre to their country of choice.
    Also, I need help with the following marriages:

    - Maximilian; Heir to Bohemia, Germany, Hungary and Croatia

    - John III of Portragul

    - Charles V

    - Maria Manuela, Princess of Portugal

    Please help!
  6. Kynan Well-Known Member

    Oct 7, 2013
    1543: The year began with the funeral of Catherine of Austria. A lavish affair, it was graced with the presence of Charles V and Emperess Isabella, Ferdinand: King of Bohemia, Hungary and Croatia and Queen Anna, Christian II of Denmark and Queen Isabella, Louis de La Trémoille and Madeleine Valois, George Boleyn, Anne and Amalia of Cleves and finallyMarguerite de Navarre with her daughter Jeanne d'Albret. These last guests were the most interesting, as Jeanne was the forerunner to marry King John, and this would be an interesting test to see if the two were compatable. While it was obvious that Jeanne liked the King (or at least didn’t hate him), the King found her ‘quite small’ and ‘looking like a child’. While not a big barrier of marriage, it did spell trouble for the possible future. At the same time, he seemed to take a shine to the Cleves sisters, particularly Anne. While put forward as a possible bride previously, she had not been seen as a big contender until the funeral. This lead to some new speculation as to who he would be inclined to marry, the Princess that would bring a kingdom but he saw as a child, or the Lady who would bring a minor alliance but was truly a woman in his eyes. Then again, the decision wasn’t overly important at the moment and he had time to think about it.

    In England, Henry was still looking for a war. There were meetings with the Parliament over possible breaks in contract, or conceivable insults to the King. One possible fight that could be picked was with William, Duke of Jülich-Cleves-Berge over his treatment of Mary Tudor, but after years of no action that would look obvious. But with the rumours of a union between Navarre and Portragul looked like a possible spark, as it could be seen as a threat and could lead to war. Finally, it was possible that King Christian of Denmark and Norway was a possible target, due to his lack of acknowledgement at the death of Anne Boleyn. This looked the most promising, but Henry was reined in and told that he should wait at least a few months to pick a fight with anyone. While this delaying tactic worked, it couldn’t be used over and over again and Henry was itching for a fight.

    One person who was very excited was the 7 year old Henry, Prince of Wales. Having grown up hearing stories of great and glorious wars from old times, especially how magnificent Henry VIII had been and would still be. The child didn’t care who the fight was with, or why, he just wanted England to be the mightiest kingdom of all. This contrasted with Princess Elizabeth and Thomas Boleyn, both of whom hate the idea of a war; if for different reasons. Intelligent Elizabeth has acquired a very pronounced gift for finances that leads her to believe that a war would put England into massive debt, due to the massive amounts that running the court consumes. Thomas Boleyn’s problem is that Henry VIII is just not healthy enough to survive a war in his eyes; at 51 (almost 52) the King was ‘fat, broken and mad’. His mental health was obviously a problem, he was heavily obese and the fact that he could barely walk would also cause trouble. So the two, Grandfather and Grand-daughter, tried to convince the King to wait, at least until a time when Prince Henry would be old enough to learn how to rule in his absence.

    In Scotland, a royal progress is now in the early planning stages, in an attempt to show the people the ruling house and their future King. While the progress was being mapped out, it was suggested that it might be a good chance to have James Hamilton and the two Princes meet the royal family of England. It would also give them a good excuse to have Princess Elizabeth be handed over to the scottish court. Give that this would take about a year of planning, And about half a year to complete, it would coincide with the planned arrival for Elizabeth. So an ambassador was sent with the request, and all looked good.

    In May, Ferdinand: King of Hungary, Croatia and Bohemia sent a new request that Princess Anne should be sent to live at Ferdinand’s court four years earlier than planned. She would turn nine later in the year and the foreign king thought that this would be the perfect time to start becoming familiar with the court and her future husband. The response was a polite but firm no, with the original agreement being upheld. Henry needed Anne, she was his favourite child and the only person who could really keep him from going ‘mad’. So Ferdinand went back to waiting. At the same time he looked for a wife to marry his eldest son Maximilian to. With multiple princess available (but most either older or younger than the prince by quite a few years) he looked for the best possible match that would leave him in the best possible position both politically and financially. While there was quite a few options, they all came with problems. But he would have to figure it out sooner or later.

    In France, Margaret Douglas, who now held the title of Duchess of Angoulême and also Marquess of Northampton and of Winchester (both titles had come during her engagement) was fast approaching her due date. While she didn’t much care for her husband (he was not a big presence in her life and she really only saw him when they were both at court), she could not deny that the child was going to have the best experience of any of the french royal children due to Charles’ fun and involved nature. For the few months leading to her labour she spent her time wandering around the gardens of the château her husband owned in Brittany and conversing with the young yet bright Jeanette Stuémile, who had come into her service in early March. Margaret was very happy with her companion who she considered ‘mature and pretty’, an hoped to help the child make a good marriage to pay her back for the friendship she had shown. So, in the month or so she was waiting her labour, she searched through the court to find the young girl a husband. So Margaret looked at many options, to find a few good options. One was Emmanuel Philibert, future Duke of Savoy. While older and of a much higher rank, he had a good friendship with Margaret at this time and was attached to no one, so that would be a good match. Another possible match, which might have been more likely, was one of the children of the Duke of Longueville. There was Francis (the heir 1535), Louis (1537) and Henri (1539), all of which were healthy and (more importantly) of a rank that would allow her to enter the court more permanantly than her current rank would allow.

    But that all came to a hold when, in late May, Margaret’s labour came to fruition. The exhausting 19 hour delivery was to take a lot out of the 28 year old noblewoman. While she seemed to come out of the birth ok, she was very tired and retired to the château for almost 4 months after the event. But, for all her trouble, she come out with a beautiful baby girl, whom she named Anne after the recently dead Queen of England. The baby, who favoured her aunt Mary (daughter of Henry VII) in her appearance, was very cute with reddish-brown hair and big eyes, one brown and one blue. Though the strange eyes were considered ‘odd’, the baby was still considered ‘the cutest of the french children’.

    At a similar time it was proclaimed that Madeleine Valois was now pregnant. The french princess had now been married for the past year (it had been a simple ceremony and as such was not well documented) and the fact that the princess was so fertile was surprising considering her generally delicate health. But the girl was definitely pregnant, and as such was immediately sent to a small country house in Lumineux Stuémile, where Louis Stuémile and his daughter Charlotte (who was currently preparing to leave for her new job as an attendant to the Queen) welcomed her with open arms. During the period where she was meant to be secluded and pretty much lay in bed all day, the 23 year old spent much times in the gardens surounding the house at which she stayed. It was a risky move to allow her to do this, but the princess was actually quite strong willed, and ignored protests as she continued to keep up a regular exercise schedule (as in, she actually kept exercising) and as such was noted as ‘more glowing than those who hide in the dark rooms’. And in June Madeleine went to her rooms, supposedly saying (translated):

    “…It I the time where a child will be arriving…”

    The quick labour, which lasted all of 2 and a half hours, was punctuated by the arrival of little Marie de La Trémoille, a pretty child that managed to look like her mother while also having the dark colouring of her grandfather and her husband. From birth the child was ‘sweet, quiet and shy’, actually seeming to not to cry uless provoked or in deep need of something. The person most charmed by this baby was her aunt, Catherine de Medici. While she did love her own child, she had to admit that the girl was not a pretty child, and this baby seemed to be the cutest mix of features available. In what would become a running theme in their relationship, Catherine made a great deal of jealous statements to Madeleine and Madeleine simply flaunted her better fortune passively. This was compounded by the gift given to Madeleine due to the birth of Marie, which was the ‘Duchy of Upper Aquitane’ in Madeleine’s own right, with Lower Aquitane now dangled as the gift for her next child. But Francis was fair (if going a bit loopy), and he said that whomever had the next male chid, the woud be given lower Aquitane. Now the race was on, and Catherine was in the lead as she had a year to try and get pregnant before Madeleine was allowed to start trying.

    Mary Tudor and Catherine Howard approached their respective due dates. Enemies, they both desired for a son and for a daughter to the other, in hopes that the humiliation would be brutal. Mary was the first to begin the process of childbirth, in a fierce 24 hour long labour that ended with a small, sickly boy child. Named Charles in an effort to please Charles V (whom Duke William was attempting to build a trade deal with and Mary just loved), he was quickly christened and thought not to live long. But the child held on, and Mary now thought that she had won. But Catherine was still to go in labour, and she may have a healthier boy child. But when Catherine returned to court with her healthy baby, the child was a girl. Mary rejoiced, but was reminded that while Charles was not very healthy, the baby Margaret was very healthy.
    Charles V was watching both his wife Isabella of Portragul and Phillip’s wife Elisabeth of Brunswick-Calenberg very closely during their pregnancies. While Isabella wasn’t exactly a young woman anymore, her health was definitely delicate and the last time she had had a child it almost killed her. But both women looked like this woud be routine, and he was hopeful for the health of his wife and the possible heir that Phillip would provide. When, in July, both women went ito labour, the suspense was thick enough to cut. While Elisabeth was expected, Isabella wasn’t supposed to be due for over two months. This translated into a difficult pregnancy for Isabella, lasting 10 hours and killing the Emperess in the process, leaving the Emperor quite broken after almost a decade of partnership with his loyal wife. Elisabeth, meanwhile, had a standard childbirth and brought a healthy baby boy into the world. A healthy yet ugly child, he is named Carlos of Spain after his grieving grandfather.

    In England, both Henry’s were itching for a war. While Henry VIII’s need spawned from what can be considered a midlife crisis, Prince Henry’s is just plain childhood fantasy. Driven by stories told to him by his father and his ‘uncle’ Charles Brandon, he sees the prospect of war as a great thing, with the images of shinning armour, gallant knights and pretty damsals floating through his head. Henry, who obviously favours his ‘good son’ the most out of his children, had a book of Arthurian style tales don for the boy with full illustration, with the added stories of the ‘Great Kings of Tudor’. These tales tell of the mythical kingdom of Tudor, a land that the Tudor Kings travelled from after the nasty neighbouring kingdoms (suspiciously French looking) poisoned the people against them and lead the great men to England, where they fought the unrightful tyrants and guided the and of England to happiness and peace. Entirely false, it set the impressionable Henry towards a hatred of the French, which is exactly what Henry wanted to happen.

    With all the pressure to keep Henry from making a politically disastarous move and announce a war on any country, Thomas Boleyn died of a heart attack. Though Henry (in his deluded, paranoid way) talked of poison, everyone at court was certain that it was just old age and stress from looking after Henry and his kingdom. In the wake of his death, two people arrived t court to take his place. The first was the previously banished Cromwell, who had slowly gained friends at the court and now was trying to make a triumphant return. The second was George Boleyn, who had returned merely days before his father’s death and connected to the King on a strong intellectual level and also had the added benefit of a lead of 2 weeks of contact with the king after Thomas Boleyn’s death in which Henry refused to talk to anyone not in his immediate circle.

    In the end, Thomas Cromwell was not close enough to the king to fill the position he once held, but instead of sculking off like his previous defeat, he got angry and careless. Looking to raise a rebellion, he began to form a plot that would concievably put Eleanor Brandon on the throne, he worked with various unhappy court members (mainly Henry Clifford: 2nd Earl of Cumberland, Sir Geoffrey Pole, Thomas Fiennes: 9th Baron Dacre and John de Vere: 16th Earl of Oxford) to set up a palace coup that would end with the death of the royal family and the rule of the new Queen Eleanor. The plan, in retrospect, seems to be very unorganised. The money they were planning to use to pay off guards never seemed to have a source, with all of them simply assuming that someone else would look after it. And when Cromwell went to warn Eleanor of the plan, she was appalled and quickly told a the King, who had Cromwell arrested as well as all the noblement involved. Eleanor pleaded for the safety of her husband Henry Clifford: 2nd Earl of Cumberland, but he was quickly beheaded with the rest of the rebels for treason. In an act that seemed very out of place for Henry, he gave Eleanor the lands and titles of her husband, while giving George Boleyn the lands and titles of the Barony of Dacre and the Earl of Oxford. He also proposed that the two marry, as George had not been married since the death of his wife Jane and Eleanor was newly single. While George had been thinnking of marriage to another for some time now, he hadn’t really thought of anyone who he could see himself marrying. But this was a golden opportunity and with the added titled he got from his father’s death, he waould be one very powerful man who also had the King’s ear. So the two were married, with the King hiself as a witness.

    The year ended with George Boleyn working with the King on strategies to bring down the French in battle. Their aim was to take Flanders, leading to the takeover of Normandy and finally Brittany. An unthought-out plan, it still caused alarm to the french ambassadors, who sent messages that told the Francis I of Henry’s plan. In response, Francis began to build his army’s and have fortressed built in Flanders to protect the countryside. The tensions were building, and all this lead to the akwardnness between the Holy Roman Emperor and the two monarchs, both of whom he had alliances with and both who wanted support from Charles V. When choosing a side, the Emperor sought the advise of his son and heir, Phillip. And Phillip, in words that woud ring true for his entire reign, said (translated):

    “…as in all things, go with the Catholic…”

    Others were called to honour treaties of the past, with people like Ferdinand: King of Bohemia, Germany, Hungary and Croatia, John III of Portragul, Alessandro de' Medici: Duke of Florence, Christian III of Denmark and many others. The calls for war were being called, and Europe was on the threshold of collapse.
    Last edited: Jan 10, 2014
  7. altwere Well-Known Member

    Jan 12, 2010
    Shelburne Vt and Titusville Fl
    good TL please continue.
  8. Kynan Well-Known Member

    Oct 7, 2013
    Thank you! I will :)
  9. Kynan Well-Known Member

    Oct 7, 2013
    What are the most likely alliances for a war between England and France? Things to help in choosing sides:

    - Portragul and England have been trading heavily since 1536 and have several alliances and what not that tie them together at this point. He is also lookig for a wife.

    - Navarre is currently tied with France but is looking for new allies with suitable men to marry Jeanette to.

    - Charles III, Duke of Savoy has ties to Portragul and is looking for a strong alliance to be done through a marriage to his son.

    - Charles V and King Ferdinand are trying not to approve this war and refuse to chose a side, though Prince Phillip is heavily French oriented due to his strong Catholic fate.

    - William: Duke of Jülich-Cleves-Berge is very rich and is tied to England through marriage and mistress, but is tied to both countries due to trade relations.

    - France is currently lacking in funds due to the many marriages and large scale events while England is actually doing quite well due to Anne's many smart economic moves.

    - Scotland is currently in a state of unrest but is tied to England more than France due to the betrothal of James: Prince of Moray and Elizbeth Tudr as well as Henry's aid financially in the past few years.
  10. tudorsrose Member

    Oct 21, 2016
    Spokane Wa
    Hi Kynan. I just happened upon this site, quite by accident. I googled up some images of Elizabeth 1, and something caught my eye that made me want to check it out.

    What caught my eye was the fact that the site that the pic came from, was a site for discussing "alternate" history. When I clicked onto the site, I saw the title, "Anne Boleyns brood". At first I thought I'd hardly call one child a "brood" but soon realized I was reading your very creative fan-fiction.

    I was immediately drawn in, and captivated! I love what you did with Anne! I could totally see her doing all the things you have her doing in your alternate version of her life! All of it is very believable! Anne has always been a heroinne of mine!

    As for the rest, most of it, I liked. Though, I thought it a little too crowded, and cluttered with all the fictional people you've added to the Tudor period of history. Which makes it a little hard to follow. I became fascinated by the Tudor period of history way back in the late '70s, devouring anything and everything I could find to read on the subject ever since! I guess my point is, if I found it difficult to follow, as familiar as I am with it, others surely will to. You could probably keep most of the added people if you broke it down into two books. Concentrate more on England, Scotland, & Ireland in one, the rest of the countries in the other. Just a suggestion.

    The only other thing I had trouble with, well, "trouble" isn't the right word. It's just that, as much as I love the fact that Anne, George, Smeaton and the rest, did not have to lose their heads and die, but it shouldn't be so sanitized to the point where Henry only had Cromwell and and a few others executed during his reign. His reign was just too bloody to change it that drastically.

    Oh, one more thing, it seems, where as you've had no problem adding fictional people who never existed to your story, you've also left out some extremely important people that did exist in the real story. People who were very important to Henry and/or Anne. Like Thomas Moore & Thomas Wholsey, who were both extremely important to Henry in their time with him. And then there was also Thomas Cranmer, who was extremely important to both Henry & Anne. You did mention him, but it seemed only in passing.

    I hope my comments don't offend you. I'm actually very intrigued with your version of events. And, since you wanted to know what would make your story better and more believable, I thought I'd pitch in my two cents! Lol!

    I see you haven't added anything in a couple of years. I hope you haven't given up on it, because it has great potential! So, I will be checking back, from time to time, to see if you've made any updates! Take care
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  11. Kynan Well-Known Member

    Oct 7, 2013
    Hey :)

    This was my first ever attempt at a Tudor Era timeline and, if I'm remembering correctly, my second overall. I came at it from a very uneducated perspective and most, although not all, of my research cam from Wikipedia and internet articles. Thus, I missed out on some amazing opportunities throughout and kinda made a mess of things.

    I probably won't continue this specific timeline, but may well attempt to reboot it one day. Anne Boleyn is one of my favourite historical figures as well and the reason I actually joined this site. I most likely jumped in too early and went too strong on this one, but one day I'll give this another go.

    Thank you so much for the message. Have a wonderful day :)