Anglo-German and German-Russian alliances in WWI: Truly Unbeatable?

Okay, here is my opinion:
In OTL WWI, Britain, Germany, and Russia got a lot of problems to defeat their respective enemies because those three giants (Britain and Germany, Germany and Russia) was opposing each other in said war.

Now, consider the following ATL WWI scenarios:

- Britain, Germany, Austria-Hungary vs. France, Russia, Ottoman Empire
- Britain, Germany, Ottoman Empire vs. France, Russia, Austria-Hungary
- Germany, Russia, Austria-Hungary vs. Britain, France, Ottoman Empire
- Germany, Russia, Ottoman Empire vs. Britain, France, Austria-Hungary

Am I right to say that the Anglo-German and German-Russian alliances will always win, in either of those scenarios?

In "Anglo-German alliance" scenarios, Britain helps the Germans invading France, France is doomed, and Russia stand no chance against the combined might of those two powers.
In "German-Russian alliance" scenarios, without Eastern Front to worry about, Germany unleashes her full might against France, France is doomed (again), Britain is isolated from the continent, and armistice is then signed.

PS: The "Britain, Germany, Russia vs. France, Austria-Hungary, Ottoman Empire" scenario is pretty much undebatable...
 

Don Grey

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Germany cant be on the same team as russia britian or france to many clash of intrests. France wants revenge on germany. germany and russia have colliding political influence zones in eastern europe not to mention germany was to afraid of russia industrialising. Britian and germany cant be on the same team because germany wants to dominate continentinal europe or atleast threatin britains positions while britain wants to atleast protect the status quo. Plus with a anglo german alliance ww1 would have to strong for anyone to challange.
 
I think there is a chance for Germano-Russian alliance to lose these scenarios

Germany, Russia, Austria-Hungary vs. Britain, France, Ottoman Empire
- Germany, Russia, Ottoman Empire vs. Britain, France, Austria-Hungary

The advantage of a German-British alliance is the combination of superb army with superb navy, but the combination of Germany and Russia combines superb army with very large army, but leaves the seas in the control of Great Britain

How many troops realistically would Germany ALLOW Russia to send across her borders to attack France? Some divisions maybe, but not more unless things go badly wrong and they're needed.

So, the addition of Russia opens the question as to what Russia is actually going to do = obviously, go after the weaker member of the enemy alliance, in one scenario Austria, in the other the Ottomans. The problem with this is that even a complete victory here is more or less irrelevant to Britain and France; they can afford to lose Austria or the Ottomans and carry on fighting

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Grey Wolf
 
In the early stages of the war, Britain would be worth less than Austria-Hungary. Until Britain can send large amounts of troops the Germans are alone fighting a three-front war, and the Austrians from what I understand were no pushovers. In the long run, the real key for Germany is the lack of a devastating blockade.
 
Germany cant be on the same team as russia britian or france to many clash of intrests. France wants revenge on germany. germany and russia have colliding political influence zones in eastern europe not to mention germany was to afraid of russia industrialising. Britian and germany cant be on the same team because germany wants to dominate continentinal europe or atleast threatin britains positions while britain wants to atleast protect the status quo. Plus with a anglo german alliance ww1 would have to strong for anyone to challange.

It was a hypothetical question. He's not asking "Would it be plausible?" he's asking a completely different question.
 
I did the second scenario in my Up With the Star ATL. The result was a two-year war where the totality of Anglo-German economic superiority and France's loss of crucial industrial regions to the Central Powers invaders meant that France called it quits after two years. However for this to happen Russia began serious military reforms that were transforming it from Joke of Europe after losing the war with the Ottomans to a serious military juggernaut able to fight modern war with the best of them. Not to mention that the Ottomans sided with the UK and Germany out of a desire that served the interests of all three to have a friendly Ottoman-affiliated Egyptian government controlling the Canal, while the combination of France, Russia, and Austria at least indicated before the war a prospect of sheer weight of numbers grinding down the Central Powers.

The USA wasn't about to join in until it saw which way the wind was blowing as otherwise challenging two extremely powerful navies in a war like that would not have ended well. However the ultimate PODs go back to the 1860s and the alliance system takes a completely different shape, so this creates in the event again a very different war from OTL. The UK allying with Germany needs it to have clear reasons to undercut France and Russia that would directly affect the security of India as a starting point.
 
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