Anglo-German Alliance Vs. Franco-Soviet Alliance

The idea that the United Kingdom should cooperate with a strong Germany against the USSR was an idea growing in popularity among a large percentage of the British public and the Royal Family (though they would not be politically involved or important in the forming of the alliance). What if Parliament was more pro-German and went through with an alliance with Germany? I once read that the British weren't too happy about the Franco-Soviet Alliance and felt the Soviet Union was more of an enemy than Germany. I also read that Hitler actually sought an alliance with the United Kingdom, as the strong naval check against the Soviets. With the Anglo-German Alliance, Hitler would probably still cooperate with China, as he wouldn't need the Japanese at all. France would now have to tolerate Soviet moves against Finland, Poland, and Romania, as it lost its ally to Germany and would do anything to oppose Germany. I think if war broke out, Germany and the United Kingdom would fight the USSR but Germany would be on its own against France. What of China, Italy, and Japan? China had a deal with the Soviet Union but still cooperating with Germany would probably keep it neutral. I know with France and the United Kingdom on opposite sides, the United States would assuredly stay neutral. Would Italy join the Anglo-German camp, even though they coveted British colonies or simply stay neutral? Would Japan join the Franco-Soviet camp or simply choose no side and fight the parallel Pacific War? Thoughts?
 
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The Alliance will last just long enough for the Prime Minister to carted off to the loony bin.

No. Germany's repeated violation of national sovereignty makes it a pariah state. No democratic country will ally with Nazi Germany. And no, you cannot simply make the UK a Fascist state, Britain wasn't anywhere near desperate enough to elect Oswald Mosley. First past the post elections don't allow fringe outsiders to suddenly sweep into power.

You need to have MAJOR changes to the 1910s and 1920s to even consider making the UK a fascist state and even then we are far more likely to be like Spain, a neutral Fascist state, rather than Nazi Germany.

The British Empire is not the Empire from Star Wars. It never did evil 'for the lulz'. Britain was a (mostly) free and democratic state that (mostly) respected other nation's borders and was more interested in encouraging trade than war.

Now, Britain allying with a democratic, Republic or Monarchist Germany against a Communist state, maybe. But in that case you completely change the entire nature of WW2 and probably need to alter WW1 as well.

Also France would need to change as well. France does not simply side with the Communists 'for the lulz' either. France allies with Soviet Union when
a) Germany is a larger threat due to fascism or b) when France has undergone some form of Fascist/Communist revolution and is looking to give Germany a bloody nose.
 
A 1940s Anglo-German alliance against the USSR is happening in my TL (sigged). The fact that it is in the ASB forum shows how likely this scenario is. Fact is, occasional expressions from influential British figures of sympathy or understanding for Hitler in the 1930s were simply misplaced guilt about Versailles, or attempts at being broad-minded, tolerant, or 'seeing the other fellow's point of view'. These are normally considered virtues, but not where Nazis are concerned. There is a lot of ground between that kind of thinking and an actual alliance.
 
non-Nazi Germany?

A 1940s Anglo-German alliance against the USSR is happening in my TL (sigged). The fact that it is in the ASB forum shows how likely this scenario is. Fact is, occasional expressions from influential British figures of sympathy or understanding for Hitler in the 1930s were simply misplaced guilt about Versailles, or attempts at being broad-minded, tolerant, or 'seeing the other fellow's point of view'. These are normally considered virtues, but not where Nazis are concerned. There is a lot of ground between that kind of thinking and an actual alliance.
I agree with this assessment, appeasement yes until it's seen to have failed, alliance no way.

However, IF a right-wing but not Nazi government was in power I think such an alliance is at least plausible. Chamberlain and the "appeasers" we're working under the false belief that Nazi rhetoric was just that and that underneath it they were Bismarckian realists. IF the German government was of that kind, things like the Anglo-German Naval Treaty could have paved the way for more co-operation, perhaps over Spain. Given that France might have been perceived from 1936 as falling into Communism, an Anglo-German alliance isn't impossible then.

IMHO obviously
 
Let's give it a shot

If in looney land this alliance occurs, what starts the war? German expansionism? If there is an alliance before 138, Cezeckoslovakia will fight with France and the USSR in support. If so, Germany loses and the UK is a pariah.

But, if you wank it and Britain and Germany strike an ASB 11th hour deal in August 1939 (an analogue to Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact), then Germany is at war on two fronts and Britain is blockading France and Russia.

Germany and Britain probably force Norway into allowing free movement of troops and air space. If not, they invade it.

Germany is strong enough at this point to hold off the French and Russia on defense. Eventually, everyone surrenders out of mutual exhaustion and lack of desire to fight over Poland. THe USSR ends up much stronger and probably ends up dominating the Balkans. Germany is better off being that they were not bombed to death. It makes for an odd post-war world where former enemies probably pretty quickly make nice because of USSR's economic growth.
 
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