Anglo-French-Spanish union the pacte de famigla a tl

Hey so anyway in this tl the war of the grande alliance ends with french victory. In this tl Louis does not let william land on the english coast and so the french fleet decimates the duch navy sinking William. Thus James II remains on the english throne and basically it signals French vassalization of britain. WIth duch defeat, the HRE intervenes but is defeated. Thus in this tl the Spanish succestion war does not occur, for the HRE loses to the combined Franco-British alliance. With the Duch crushed. Philiip becomes King of Spain at Charles death, and all habsburg possestions in Italy turned over to france. Enjoy this tl.
Pacte de Famigla

Chapter I the defeat of the Grand alliance



The Year is 1687 for years tensions have been growing between the French crown and the Dutch republic. Louis XIV was the hegemon of Europe. With the pacte de famigla Spain and France were close allies. James Stuart was the king of England a man hated by many. However he had the support of Louis. The cause of the war was simple; the Netherlands knew that at an alarming rate James policies were intertwining England with France, which had the potential of France vassalizing Britain!!! Something WIlliam of Orange could not allow for it would signal the end of the Dutch. William had to stop this and so at the urging of many William launched an invasion of England. However the invasion failed miserably, *seizing the opportunity the King of France Louis declares war on the Dutch and off the coast of Antwerp, the French navy under the brilliant admiral Toulon deals a crushing blow to the Dutch. In the ensuing naval battle the Dutch navy is decimated and William and his ship is sunk. With the destruction of the Dutch navy Louis launched all available forces on a push across the Rhine. Soon the Dutch fought bravely but resistance was futile. However the Dutch had one ally. The HRE was growing wary at French advance and was determined to halt it. Soon the HRE declared war on France. Leopold had many reasons for doing this. The HRE was at war with the Turks but he saw his, as a way to make sure that should Charles die without an heir, the Hapsburgs would retake Spain. Soon the HRE troops invaded France. Now the French had a brilliant general, his name was Vaubon. Vaubon soon crushed the HRE off Lorraine. By 1690 Lorraine was overrun by the French. The French also had another very powerful ally, James II, with the aid of the duke of Luxemburg an army of some 30k French troops landed at Liverpool. With this army at hand James soon destroyed the protestant opposition. By 1691 James had secured England. With England secured James declared war on the HRE.

Leopold faced a desperate situation. The Ottomans had smashed his forces in Bosnia and were making rapid gains in Hungary. While the French were destroying the Dutch allies. Now The Kingdom of England also sided with France, the HRE was in a very precarious position. Leopold tried desperately to hold it together but he failed. Meanwhile the combined Anglo-French fleet destroyed the Spanish navy and a combined force of some 40k men landed at Gallica, while another 100k Frenchman invaded Spanish Basque territories. Meanwhile in Italy French forces crushed Austrian forces. By 1705 the HRE sued for peace. In the treaty of Westphalia the HRE was forced to cede all of Lorraine and Alsace to France. It gave up its Italian possessions to France. While Spain was forced to cede Barcelona and Basque territories to France and at Charles death Philip would become the Spanish king. Shortly thereafter Charles died and Philip the Dauphan became King of Spain. By 1708 the British were under French control. James had essentially relied completely on the French and soon Britain was reduced to a vassal status. Meanwhile the Dutch gave up the Rhine to France and withdrew all claims to Britain. By 1709 a new great power was created Louis XIV was no the King of the French who vassalized England, and soon was guaranteed for bourbon restoration In Spain. The Kingdom of England, Spain, and France were intertwined at last. The HRE was licking its wound and Leopold was furious as he saw the new power. In 1711 the Bourbons secured hegemony over Britain and Spain. The war was a complete French success. However it depleted French treasury. Soon what followed was a dark time France was bankrupt…………

William the duch
Vaubon
Duc de Luxemburg
James II of England
Leopold I
Philip V

Major players in the Nine years war.


Anyway what do people think of this tl:cool: Btw made some major edits
 
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I hate to say this, but...

Too hastily thrown together.
Why, in otl France virtually was vassalizing britain. In otl had Louis attacked early the dutch would have been crushed. With them crushed the french just needed to win the war. Likewise crush the HRE, come now how is this Asb, with HRE crushed bourbon succeeds to french throne and so Britain has vassal status to france along with a french union to spain...
 
Why, in otl France virtually was vassalizing britain. In otl had Louis attacked early the dutch would have been crushed. With them crushed the french just needed to win the war. Likewise crush the HRE, come now how is this Asb, with HRE crushed bourbon succeeds to french throne and so Britain has vassal status to france along with a french union to spain...

Its not so much whether or not its ASB - I don't know enough on the era to go that far - but the timeline is too hastily thrown together. Your writing feels like a rush of ideas that don't take the time to explain themselves. I should have been clearer.
 
The failure of Glorious Revolution could be a good point. But James II had sons ( Anne, and the births of second bed), so i don't get why Great Britain will be a vassal of France even if a French expedition corp invaded England ( but only to help the legitimate king, which had also the task to reform Britannic religious assets with a return to Catholicism: so, new problems and troubles in arrive). Also, if Philip was recognized heir of Charles, and became king of Spain because at that point there was no opposition, It was unnecessary for France get all Spanish Italian lands, Milan could be sufficient for Louis XIV.

If you talked of Union between France, Spain and Britain i will suggest this pact:

1) James II died in 1701: the new king was his only male son James Francis Edward, who we will call James III. Anne was put out of question because she remained protestant.

2) Philip, already king of Spain, married instead of Maria Luisa di Savoia Louise Stuart, last daughter of James II, which will had a more long lifespan ( in OTL she died of Smallpox at 19), let's say around 1706: so the claim to British crown was settled.

3) Philip V of Spain inherited France in 1715.

4) At a certain point ( around 1720s) James III died without heirs, so Philip V through his wife become also King of Great Britain.

5) Philip V will proclaim an "Empire of the Gauls". He and his butterflied legacy could manage to mantain and expand that wank or they will fail?
 
We all seem to be confused about whether we mean "England" or "Britain": what's going on in Scotland? There'd been a protracted insurgency in the southwest even against Episcopalianism. Any attempt to impose Catholicism on Scotland is going to mean an ugly little war.
 
Actually in otl what happened was due to increasing protestant influences James II grew much closer to Louis, England under James depended on france for survival from someone overthrowing him. Thus eventually one problem Great Britain faced: Im not sure was it England or Great Britain, anyway eventually england would get so dependant on france that it would become a vassal, one reason as to why Many protestants in britain wanted WIlliam to be their king. By union, I do not mean direct union but close alliance and mutual cooperation between England and France;)
 
I'm sorry, but the strangely sized texts, the random capitalisations, and the lack of even the most basic grammar makes your TLs nigh unreadable. Come back when you can write in an engaging and enjoyable style, then perhaps more people will be interested in your PODs, which, I'll happily concede, are generally well thought out and original.
 
Alright then...



I like the POD; its original and has a lot of potential. That said, the grammar and spelling you employ is quite shocking, especially if you intend this for a large audience. I've crudely highlighted these parts in bold.



Why have you suddenly upped the font? It adds no discernable advantage to the story and just makes it more difficult to read. How can we enjoy a timeline if we can't even read it? Again, the grammar needs to be fixed.



Again, just why you've fiddled with the font escapes me. That, and the grammar is still an issue.

The pictures too, which i'm not going to bother to quote, are unnecessary also. While i'm known for disliking images in alternate timelines anyway, I'll appreciate when they add to the narrative; here, its just pictures of your main players, which frankly, if I feel compelled, I can google myself.

All in all, while the POD you're using is strikingly original by the patterns of this site, the format, grammar and even spelling is dreadful enough to render the whole beginning portion of this timeline unreadable.
Sryy Ill fix it
 
Now it is much better, i'm sure if you keep this impostation the entire TL will benefit. ;)

Also, reorganizing the punctation will made the chapter more clear to understand. So, keep it up!
 
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