Anglo-Dutch Empire

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Nicole

When's the POD here? William III, right? Denmark got Tranquebar in 1620, which is before the reign of William III....
 

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Imajin said:
When's the POD here? William III, right? Denmark got Tranquebar in 1620, which is before the reign of William III....
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The big boys have been wrangling in India since then.

Quik-Fix Solution: Denmark sold it to Britain after the War of the Powers in exchange for an increased concession in the Congo.
 

Aussey

Imajin said:
When's the POD here? William III, right? Denmark got Tranquebar in 1620, which is before the reign of William III....
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An all white, Danish West Africa....oh, I'd LOVE that. Like, the Africans either died or killed, except for a few, well, maybe like's its 35% Black...but mainly Danish. Oh, this would be so nice...the Royal Territory of Danish West Africa, divided into five provinces: Ny Danmark, Sydlande, Ligemand-Ny-København, etc.
 

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Aussey said:
What's that?:confused:
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Sorry, it was a rather tasteless joke and I take it back :eek:

And I thought you read Marching to Pretoria? :D

OTL the Broederbond was a secret society dedicated to maintaining Afrikaner culture at any cost.

In MtP, it was a vast and extensive club in the United Provinces of S. Africa somewhat like the Freemasons but, again, dedicated to maintaining Afrikaner culture at any cost.
 
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Yeah, Aussey. That really, really didn't sound right at all. I think it would be appropriate for you to seriously edit those comments there.
 

Aussey

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Ok....I SO did not mean it like that. But it WAS supposed to be like a Dutch South Africa....a kind of racist sort of Danes....Denmark doesn't support them, but they LOVE Denmark and their Danish culture. I cant edit it now. NO OFFENSE MEANT! I mean, I AM a colored person. Anyhow....here's the beginning of my map...gotta go to a party....be back around midnite....

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Anglo-Dutch Sovereigns

William III (1650-1702) r.1689-1702: King of England, Ireland, Scotland. Stadtholder of the Netherlands

Alexander I (1678-1732) r.1702-1705: King of England, Ireland, Scotland. Stadtholder of the Netherlands

r.1705-1732: Sovereign of the United Kingdom of England, the Netherlands and his Other Territories

Johanna (1705-1789) r.1732-1781 (abdicated in favour of her son)

Alexander II (1737-1794) r.1781-1794

Henry IX (1768-1827) r.1794-1827

William IV (1796-1838) r.1827-1838

Alfred (1804-1861) r.1838-1861

Harald II "The Hammer" (1825-) r. 1861-(current incumbent, as far as my TL has progressed)
 

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Aussey said:
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Ok....I SO did not mean it like that. But it WAS supposed to be like a Dutch South Africa....a kind of racist sort of Danes....Denmark doesn't support them, but they LOVE Denmark and their Danish culture. I cant edit it now. NO OFFENSE MEANT! I mean, I AM a colored person. Anyhow....here's the beginning of my map...gotta go to a party....be back around midnite....
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Fair enough- no offense taken. It was just a bit badly phrased.

Just a request though- when doing your maps can you please do them with reference to the master map. It's there for a reason. No offence but yours looks like it's from a completely different TL. For one thing, the Belgians don't exist as a seperate state in TTL...

Master map reposted below (c.1860s). I know I sound a bit petty but it's just so that I don't have to go and completely rewrite my TL and redo the master map.

BTW: RE Danish white colonisation S. Africa style- West Africa is probably a really bad place to try this. I'm sure Glen could give more detailed info about the disease enviroment and such but AFAIK from a laymans PoV it's possibly the least healthy place on earth for anyone not actually West African. OTL, whites died like flies there.

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Wendell

Who would be "Harald I"?

Also, How the hell does Scotland end up in Central America, and what's with the Mughal survival and Portuguese Indochina?
 

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Wendell said:
Who would be "Harald I"?
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Harald Godwinson. Generally British monarch numbering starts from the conqueror but Harald van Oranje-Nassau, very heavily influenced by Germanic Romanticism decided to give a nod to the Last English King.

Also, How the hell does Scotland end up in Central America, and what's with the Mughal survival and Portuguese Indochina?
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Oh, c'mon, Wendell- haven't you actually bothered to read the TL?
 

Straha

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why not make the dutch's hardline, mercantile exploitative attiudes lead to widespread slavery in the anglo-duch empire?
 

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Straha said:
why not make the dutch's hardline, mercantile exploitative attiudes lead to widespread slavery in the anglo-duch empire?
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'cos I'd rather have the British attitudes mellow theirs than the other way 'round.

I like surviving Imperial governments and the way to do that is not to give the merchants too much power
 

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Wendell said:
Also, How the hell does Scotland end up in Central America...
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This one isn't clearly explained in the TL so...

Scotland gets to play both sides against the middle in TTL, thus getting grudging Spanish acknowledgement of Darien as Scottish territory. It manages to expand (though the Uber-Darien on the map is something I have to correct) and Scotland maintains her armed neutrality. By the 19th century Scotland is pretty much a de facto ally of the Anglo-Dutch and many positions in the Scottish West India Company are held by English and Dutch expatriates from the homelands or from Anglo-Dutch N. America.
 

Wendell

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This one isn't clearly explained in the TL so...

Scotland gets to play both sides against the middle in TTL, thus getting grudging Spanish acknowledgement of Darien as Scottish territory. It manages to expand (though the Uber-Darien on the map is something I have to correct) and Scotland maintains her armed neutrality. By the 19th century Scotland is pretty much a de facto ally of the Anglo-Dutch and many positions in the Scottish West India Company are held by English and Dutch expatriates from the homelands or from Anglo-Dutch N. America.
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Thanks for that. What I now don't understand is why (beyond vague proximity) is the Danish colony also called Congo? Then again, our own timeline does feature an Equatorial Guinea. Nevermind.
 

Wendell

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Harald Godwinson. Generally British monarch numbering starts from the conqueror but Harald van Oranje-Nassau, very heavily influenced by Germanic Romanticism decided to give a nod to the Last English King.
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As I recall, Godwinson was Harold II, not Harold I of England.


Oh, c'mon, Wendell- haven't you actually bothered to read the TL?
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Yes, I read it, but clearly I ought to re-read portions of it. Do forgive my blunder.
 

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Wendell said:
As I recall, Godwinson was Harold II, not Harold I of England.
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D'oh- my bad. I should kick myself even more soundly since the Anglo-Saxons are one of my pet areas of history. Thanks for the correction. Harald van Oranje-Nassau would, indeed, be Harald III.

Yes, I read it, but clearly I ought to re-read portions of it. Do forgive my blunder.
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Again, my apologies for sounding so snappish :eek:

As for the Danish Congo it was on the map and I overlooked it- nvm I'll let it stand. As you said, there are many historical inaccuracies OTL (such as the West Indies :D)
 
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