Anglo/American vs. Nazi (other writers)

Excellent posts, so far...

The post on the Paraguayan contribution would have fit perfectly into the narrative in the main TL thread as part of a chapter on commitments from the South American allies.

Macragge, your contribution is just what I'd expect from you given my readings from your "Protect and Survive" timeline--an excellent view of the people affected by this terrible war. Kudos. It's great to see a masterful writer like you offering a treatment of the framework provided by another great writer (CalBear).

Anyways, bumpity bump...let's see some more of the untold stories of the AANWverse!
 
From Kubrick: The Man, Chapter 5, "Breakthrough"
"...All Quiet on the Western Front, as should have been expected, became a controversial film even before it was released.
The prospect of even releasing a movie from the point of view of the German military made many studio executives worry about it's appeal, even if the cast mostly consisted of recognizable American actors.
When questioned on this by the studio head, Kubrick stated dryly, 'People will love it. It's about a bunch of German boys dying in muddy trenches.'
It was only at the urging of Lewis Milestone, director of the original film, that the studio agreed to a vigorous marketing campaign...
"...despite it's financial and critical success, the movie was sharply criticized in some corners for it's perceived anti-war message. Democratic Congressman and former actor Ronald Reagan stated the film 'was an insult to our men in uniform fighting evil throughout the world.' Republican Senator Barry Goldwater, though he praised the film from a technical standpoint, openly worried about the possible negative effect on morale."
"Marlon Brando's infamous Oscar-acceptance speech for the movie in which he proclaimed America should 'end the war' amid deafening boos didn't help matters. Fortunately, Kubrick distanced himself from Brando's remarks, even if he privately shared the sentiment..."
"...it was only after Kubrick went to parts of postwar Germany to film his post-apocalyptic epic Protect and Survive in 1968 that he would speak out against America's actions in the war."
 

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From Kubrick: The Man, Chapter 5, "Breakthrough"

"...it was only after Kubrick went to parts of postwar Germany to film his post-apocalyptic epic Protect and Survive in 1968 that he would speak out against America's actions in the war."


I can't think of a better director to do it, nor a better place to film it ;) Great Stuff!
 
From Kubrick: The Man, Chapter 5, "Breakthrough"
"...All Quiet on the Western Front, as should have been expected, became a controversial film even before it was released.
The prospect of even releasing a movie from the point of view of the German military made many studio executives worry about it's appeal, even if the cast mostly consisted of recognizable American actors.
When questioned on this by the studio head, Kubrick stated dryly, 'People will love it. It's about a bunch of German boys dying in muddy trenches.'
It was only at the urging of Lewis Milestone, director of the original film, that the studio agreed to a vigorous marketing campaign...
"...despite it's financial and critical success, the movie was sharply criticized in some corners for it's perceived anti-war message. Democratic Congressman and former actor Ronald Reagan stated the film 'was an insult to our men in uniform fighting evil throughout the world.' Republican Senator Barry Goldwater, though he praised the film from a technical standpoint, openly worried about the possible negative effect on morale."
"Marlon Brando's infamous Oscar-acceptance speech for the movie in which he proclaimed America should 'end the war' amid deafening boos didn't help matters. Fortunately, Kubrick distanced himself from Brando's remarks, even if he privately shared the sentiment..."
"...it was only after Kubrick went to parts of postwar Germany to film his post-apocalyptic epic Protect and Survive in 1968 that he would speak out against America's actions in the war."


The studios should point out that the original novel was banned in Nazi Germany and had been burned in bonfires along with other anti-nazi books in the 30's. The author Erich Maria Remarque in otl moved to the United States and became a naturalized U.S. citizen. After the war he moved to Switzerland but in this tl he would probably stay in the United States. He would still be alive in 1960 so he might defend his work.

Is the Marlon Brando Oscar speech supposed to be a take that against Michael Moore's anti-Iraqi War Oscar Speech? OTL Brando tried to enlist during World War II. I don't think Brando would oppose the war although he and Kubrick might object to the methods used by the allies. Brando was a strong civil rights supporter and during the 40's at least supported the creation of a Jewish homeland for holocaust survivors so I think he would have considered the war against the Nazis to be justified. The war wasn't an unprovoked war of aggression like the Vietnam and Iraqi wars.
 
The studios should point out that the original novel was banned in Nazi Germany and had been burned in bonfires along with other anti-nazi books in the 30's. The author Erich Maria Remarque in otl moved to the United States and became a naturalized U.S. citizen. After the war he moved to Switzerland but in this tl he would probably stay in the United States. He would still be alive in 1960 so he might defend his work.

Is the Marlon Brando Oscar speech supposed to be a take that against Michael Moore's anti-Iraqi War Oscar Speech? OTL Brando tried to enlist during World War II. I don't think Brando would oppose the war although he and Kubrick might object to the methods used by the allies. Brando was a strong civil rights supporter and during the 40's at least supported the creation of a Jewish homeland for holocaust survivors so I think he would have considered the war against the Nazis to be justified. The war wasn't an unprovoked war of aggression like the Vietnam and Iraqi wars.

Eh, this was a spur of the moment sort of thing on my part. Chalk up the disgust on Brando's part to well over a decade of butterflies.
 

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Er...bump? CalBear, what'd you think of my Kubrick contribution?


Didn't see it until just now.

Interesting take on things.

Any sort of anti-war messaging would be... poorly received in ATL U.S. during the actual war. As pointed out, this wasn't Vietnam or even Gulf I. This was a war for survival and everyone pretty much knew it.
 
I've just read through these, and as suspected if there was going to be anyone who could capture the horrors of Operation Whirlwind, it would be Macragge1. Bravo fella- I'm off to go catch up on P&S.
 
Didn't see it until just now.

Interesting take on things.

Any sort of anti-war messaging would be... poorly received in ATL U.S. during the actual war. As pointed out, this wasn't Vietnam or even Gulf I. This was a war for survival and everyone pretty much knew it.

Yes, I will admit this wasn't my best work. :eek:
 
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