Anglo-American Rivalry

hey, all. in addition to my main ASB ATL, this idea popped into my head last week and ive done minimal playing-around with it since then. i just thought that the best way to develop it further would be to open it up to discussion

basically, the idea is that the US and the UK never get on good terms again like they did IOTL. there could be any number of reasons for this: perhaps the war of 1812 is a really bitter conflict, so the US sends troops to help napoleon even though they had beaten britain before. like i said, this idea is still in the early stages of development.

over the next century, the US becomes more closely aligned to britain's enemies--namely france and ireland--while britain gets cozier with different powers. its possible that britain may help the confederates while france helps the union, but this may not have any impact on the war's ultimate outcome.

by the time WW1 rolls around, the US, france, and irish rebels would presumably all be on the same side while britain joins germany. thats about as far as ive gotten thus far with this idea
 
Anglo-American rivalry: Doable. Anglo-French rivalry: Doable. Anglo-German alliance: Improbable.

Plain and simple, Germany is more threatening to British interests than France or even Russia, and the US...well, this is where we have to ask how that works out since it introduces a few butterflies (not necessarily breaking German unification or anything, but it will influence international politics if the US is playing a role prior to the 1900s).
 
It would be difficult for the US to get troops across the British controlled Atlantic to Europe. But the rest of it I can see as plausible if its well explained. I'd love to see you make a TL like this.
 
Anglo German common intrest in war against France, doable. It's difficult but doable.

Something like that would probably need Germany looking much less threatening than OTL and France looking much more so, though.

Otherwise, the Imbalance of Power position of Britain (everyone too weak/divided to threaten Us) considerably outweighs "the enemy of my enemy".
 
US France and Russia vs Germany seems threatening enough IMO. Especially an anti-British France and US. Or at least more so than Germany is.
 
hello again. ive been bouncing around a second idea lately and i just remembered this old one. i figured it might be interesting to try combining the two.

there could still be an anglo-american rivalry and franco/irish-american alliance (as mentioned before, an anglo-german alliance could be difficult). the new idea is that the central powers--here including britain--win WW1 and as a result germany gets de facto dominion over france, kinda like in TL-191. the difference, though, is that instead of turning fascist, france goes communist. one potentially ASB change is that the US doesnt get as badly beaten as its european allies (this is kinda personal preference, though id be willing to change it up); after TTL's WW1, i dont know what direction it would go in, if there would still be a depression or not (would it necessarily occur if the US didnt win?) or a WW2, or what would happen to the irish (since they would be something of a major focus) as well as who else would be in the *entente and *CP

a hang-up that i have with this is that there was a recent thread somewhere (which i somehow didnt subscribe to; i really liked the idea) which detailed a CP victory leading to communist france. if anyone can give me a link to this thread, i'd be much obliged; i tried searching for "communist france" with the search engine, but to no avail
 
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