What if Algirdas dies before he marries Uliana of Tver and his son Andrew of Polotsk succeeds as the King of Lithuania, what will happen to Lithuania?
Andrew of Polotsk becomes the King of Lithuania
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Probably more or less the same as IOTL. AFAIR Andrei was quite competent and ruthless, so he most probably would make some kind of alliance with Poland against the Order, although perhaps not the union. But butterflies can do quite a lot...
Andrew of Polotsk is Orthodox actually, it might also mean an Orthodox Lithuania.
He was baptized in Orthodox rite. So what? Vytautas was baptized twice in Catholic rite, by the Teutonic Order in 1383 and by Poles in 1386. It suggests that between those years he returned to pagan ways. Andrei can very well be baptized again in Catholic rite.
However, it is possible that he keeps to the Orthodox faith, is not elected King of Poland only becomes an ally of Poland. Then you will have an Orthodox Lithuania.
However, it is possible that he keeps to the Orthodox faith, is not elected King of Poland only becomes an ally of Poland. Then you will have an Orthodox Lithuania.
If Algerdis died before 1349/1350, is most logical POD: Algerdis killed in Battle of Strėva (2/2/1348)? Are ITTL three, not two, sons of Gediminas killed?
Gediminis had 7 sons. If three are killed, four lived: Kestutis, Koriat, Liubartas, Jaunutis.
IOTL As a result of the defeat Lithuanians were weakened: the same year the Knights attacked and pillaged Šiauliai area without much of opposition and destroyed a castle in Veliuona. In the east Lithuania lost influence in Pskov and Novgorod in 1348 and in Smolensk the following year.
In 1349 Algirdas sent Koriat to Jani Beg, Khan of the Golden Horde, to negotiate an alliance against the Teutonic Knights and rising Grand Duchy of Moscow. However, Jani Beg handed Karijotas over to Simeon of Russia for a ransom.
Liubartas lost all territories except for eastern Volhynia with Lutsk to Casimir III of Poland in 1349. In 1351 he was even taken prisoner during a battle.
It's seems, after the death of Algerdis, Kestutis became the Grand Prince of Lithuania, and Andrew - only the Prince of Polotck.
And what will do Jaunutis? I think, he will asked the help from Moscow again, and, maybe, Simeon helped them, because Lithuania was weak at this time.
Gediminis had 7 sons. If three are killed, four lived: Kestutis, Koriat, Liubartas, Jaunutis.
IOTL As a result of the defeat Lithuanians were weakened: the same year the Knights attacked and pillaged Šiauliai area without much of opposition and destroyed a castle in Veliuona. In the east Lithuania lost influence in Pskov and Novgorod in 1348 and in Smolensk the following year.
In 1349 Algirdas sent Koriat to Jani Beg, Khan of the Golden Horde, to negotiate an alliance against the Teutonic Knights and rising Grand Duchy of Moscow. However, Jani Beg handed Karijotas over to Simeon of Russia for a ransom.
Liubartas lost all territories except for eastern Volhynia with Lutsk to Casimir III of Poland in 1349. In 1351 he was even taken prisoner during a battle.
It's seems, after the death of Algerdis, Kestutis became the Grand Prince of Lithuania, and Andrew - only the Prince of Polotck.
And what will do Jaunutis? I think, he will asked the help from Moscow again, and, maybe, Simeon helped them, because Lithuania was weak at this time.
I think Andrew of Polotsk succeeding the Lithuanian throne will butterfly the situation that led to the union between Poland and Lithuania, I think Louis of Hungary might have different Children and maybe he might not inherit the throne of Poland and Andrew of Polotsk already have children of his own, whether he marries his children or grandchildren to the Children of Louis of Hungary is possible if his focus is Lithuania.
MarshalBraginsky
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If Andrei of Polotsk could take the throne of Lithuania, then it would be forseeable that Louis of Hungary would marry someone else, which could butterfly Jadwiga's existence as we know it, contributing to the growth of the Kingdom of Hungary in the process. A Rurikid Lithuania could have a devastating consequences on the other Baltic states as well.
MarshalBraginsky
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Actually in this case it might be better if Gediminas is killed off, preventing the Gediminids from becoming dominant in Lithuania.
If that is the case Casimir III of Poland would had married Bonne/Judith of Bohemia..
MarshalBraginsky
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OK, so I guess the Gediminids would still have to function around, although we could easily get rid of the Jaigellon dynasty.
I would like to kill Casimir III off as well not just Algirdas, causing the throne of Poland to merge with Bohemia.
MarshalBraginsky
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But wouldn't Andrei of Polotsk actually not exist if Algirdas is killed off already?
If he was killed before Andrei of Polotsk is conceived then Andrei of Polotsk would not exist.
MarshalBraginsky
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In this case Algirdas would have to be killed sometime between 1319 (the year Andrei of Polotsk was born) and 1362 (the year the Lithuanians won over the Tatars in the Battle of the Blue Waters).
In a tl that I made adoptable, I had both Algirdas and Casimir III killed.