Anastasia Survives: Now What?

IIRC, the reason for killing the Romanovs was to prevent the White Army from taking possession of them, as they were pretty close to it and were likely to take it as is (and they did IOTL after the execution of the Romanovs). The entire point of murdering the whole of them was to prevent a royal from surviving and being able to rally the White cause and get more help from other sympathetic powers.

Assuming Anastasia lives, she's going to be a figurehead. The Whites will use her to raise support for more foreign investment and intervention into the Russian Civil War, and we might end up with the wholescale defeat of the Russian Revolution. If that happens, she gets crowned Empress and they probably draw up some vaguely liberal constitution that renders her pretty much powerless. Then we have a really shitty time (a 'Weimar Russia', perhaps?) before a White-fascist dictatorship or something like that.
 
IIRC, the reason for killing the Romanovs was to prevent the White Army from taking possession of them, as they were pretty close to it and were likely to take it as is (and they did IOTL after the execution of the Romanovs). The entire point of murdering the whole of them was to prevent a royal from surviving and being able to rally the White cause and get more help from other sympathetic powers.

Assuming Anastasia lives, she's going to be a figurehead. The Whites will use her to raise support for more foreign investment and intervention into the Russian Civil War, and we might end up with the wholescale defeat of the Russian Revolution. If that happens, she gets crowned Empress and they probably draw up some vaguely liberal constitution that renders her pretty much powerless. Then we have a really shitty time (a 'Weimar Russia', perhaps?) before a White-fascist dictatorship or something like that.
If i am not mistaken when the Romanovs were held prisoners a local Bishop attempted to arrange their escape but the plan was betrayed and the Romanovs were relocated and eventually killed...
Now if the said Bishop had managed to save Anastasia before the Bolshevics found out whats going then we have a case...
 
I do not want to hijack the thread but what if not only Anastasia survived, but some or all of the family survived? One survivor, Anastasia, would have been a rally point for the Whites; survival of a large part of the immediate family could lead to .............what?
 
I do not want to hijack the thread but what if not only Anastasia survived, but some or all of the family survived? One survivor, Anastasia, would have been a rally point for the Whites; survival of a large part of the immediate family could lead to .............what?
I have posted a similar post some months earlier where i was wondering WI the the Imperial Family escapes Russia if the Bishop's plan succeeded...
 
Shitty as opposed to the Bolsheviks, purges, gulags, man-made famines, and all the rest?

Weimar Germany was almost as bad, add in the fact that they will almost definitely institute their own reactionary purge of all communist influence, exile to Siberia was standard punishment in Imperial Russia and a famine could happine because of simple economic mismanagement, white russia may even be worse than red russia. The Bolshevicks for all their faults did improve the standard of living for your average Russian extraordinarily.
 
From what I read by March 1917 all sides were thoroughly sick of the Romanovs and even the whites did not seriously consider bringing them back. The Civil war was over the Bolsheviks seizure of power. After all the years of incompetence by the ruling family, the best they could hope for was figurehead to some slimeball.
Those that made it out and kept quiet lived to a ripe old age, but not well. There was one member of the family that was making a living as a cabaret singer in the 30's for example.

Say she survives, buys her way out of the area and lives. The nearest White General was Kolchak, notorious for alienating everyone. Unless she becomes a Joan of Arc figure, she is recaptured and re shot by 1920
 
With butterflies, potentially the Whites win the RCW as TNF said. If so, then she'll probably have to become a constitutional monarch in exchange for the throne.

Somewhat unrelated question to the RCW experts here: Is there any White leader with Putinesque potential to lead the country?
 
With butterflies, potentially the Whites win the RCW as TNF said. If so, then she'll probably have to become a constitutional monarch in exchange for the throne.

Somewhat unrelated question to the RCW experts here: Is there any White leader with Putinesque potential to lead the country?

How about Cornilov?
 
Let's just go with the Anna Anderson story, she plays dead and one of the soldiers present take pity on her. It isn't too strange to say the bullets miss her, after all both Alexei and Maria managed to survive the initial slaughter relatively unscathed because of the jewels under their shirts.
The bullets didn't miss, and those hits would have been painful, and besides, is being buried alive any better than being shot? No, if Anastasia's going to make it, it's going to have to be some time before the shooting.
 
The bullets didn't miss, and those hits would have been painful, and besides, is being buried alive any better than being shot? No, if Anastasia's going to make it, it's going to have to be some time before the shooting.

I agree... As i said above and in another thread the only way for Anastasia to survive (and/or the whole Imperial Family) is Bishop's Hermogenes plan succeeds and Anastasia (and/or Imperial Family) escape to USA (or some other place).
 
The bullets didn't miss, and those hits would have been painful, and besides, is being buried alive any better than being shot? No, if Anastasia's going to make it, it's going to have to be some time before the shooting.

While it may have been painful, it was also non-lethal. Anastasia received no bullet wounds but was instead stabbed to death after she continued screaming. Seeing as all the soldiers involved are very drunk, it's not impossible that she could fool them by playing dead. After that, it is only a matter of gaining the sympathy of one of the Lativans, who refused to take part in the assassination out of guilt but helped bury the bodies, to help her out of the pit and escape.

I digress however. This discussion is less about how Anastasia survives and more about what happens afterward. I was just selecting the latest possible PoD. Having her escape with Bishop Hermogenes does solve a number of problems. If it would make a simpler premise than her survival at the last minute, feel free to discuss that.
 
Uh, how did we get from ''Anastasia survives'' to Whites win the RCW?:confused:

Even if she lives, the Russian population were pretty damn sick of the Romanovs. So I really dont she how she helps rally support. OTL other nations wernt even willing to grant the Tsar and his family aysulm, and were already strongly anti-Bolshevik & supporting the Whites.

The fact is the Whites are screwed by their own weaknesses which Anastasia living or dead will do nothing to solve...
 
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You are forgetting one very important difference between the Dowager Empress and Anastasia. The princess, as heir to the throne, was still of an age to marry and have children. Meaning future heirs, and future claimants.:mad:

Ummm......maybe just chill, mkay? My point about the Dowager Empress was that she could have served as a figurehead to the White cause. Not that she would last a long time. If anything, she would be a kind of caretaker for the Throne until the dynastic succession had been figured out amongst the surviving members of the Family. In fact, the Dowager Empress may have been able to even simply decide who would assume the rule of God's Regent on earth.

As we saw however, this did not happen because presumably she herself had no interest in playing around with that after her family was massacred, and the Whites themselves ranged from being soft socialists to psychotic maniacs.
Not really the kind of people you want to associate with if your intention is to win back the minds and hearts of the populace, I would say.
 
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