Very good stuff, keep it up!
Thanks! There are a few things I do need to chase down as far as butterflies go. The following questions come to mind:
I'm probably not the best person to answer these questions, but I'll give it a go.Thanks! There are a few things I do need to chase down as far as butterflies go. The following questions come to mind:
I wouldn't mind help on any of these questions to be honest
- Will Morillo's detour to Mexico cost him significant loses in New Granada and thus an earlier liberation by the great liberator?
- How will Ferdinand VII's rule be impacted? An earlier liberal uprising? (Butterfly Isabella out of existence thus set up a Carlist Spain?)
- Would the US be willing to strike an "alliance" type as a precursor to the Monroe Doctrine since in this timeline Mexico is for all intents and purposes independent? Or is it too cash strapped and fearful of another war to do anything beyond make vague comments on the matter? Possibility of American Privateers (Not sure they are still a thing at this point in time though)
- How would European powers react when it comes to trade and diplomacy with Mexico in the late 1810's of this timeline vs the mid to late 1820's of the OTL? The need for trade, and mining operations and so on.
- If New Granada does get an earlier independence, what are the chances of say a joint expedition to a certain Caribbean island in the hopes of forcing Spain to recognize independence?
Right now if Mexico needs to get it's mines up and rirunni, otherwise it will be at a very similar position TTL as it was in the OTL by 1826. But yes, at TTL in 1818 Mexico is doing quite well for itself when compared to OTL Mexico in 1821.I'm wondering of the fate of Cuba. In OTL Mexico did try to gain Cuba from Spain in 1826, but failed in the end. Mexico seems strong enough to take Cuba ITTL
Florida is no longer part of Spain unfortunately, Though I am having second thoughts...maybe it should have been all sold to the US. It could have easily just kept Spain, but the US would have made noise and forced spain into a war due to the indemnities Americans were claiming.Andrew Jackson's popularity shouldn't be able to protect him from this fiasco, his unsanctioned actions have nearly ruined the young nation for good.
The best thing about this Florida becoming a safe heaven for escaped slaves and the native population, at least those already in the area.
This timeline asks what a continuous uninterrupted rebellion would look like, what it takes to get that, and how that would impact the early history of independent Mexico. I don't have one singular POD but rather a general cultural one. The What if of this timeline is: "What if Mexicans, especially Criollos, were more liberal along the lines of the enlightenment in northern Europe?" or "What if Mexican Criollos and the castas were more united and forceful in their resentment to the Peninsulares?" or rather both.
To make this happen I have one or two semi-POD's that release butterflies that work in mysterious ways. I don't know if that's ASB or not, but I hope it can be overlooked or accepted. These will trigger other later "POD's".
Before joining AH.com I mulled over in my mind how things could have gone differently for Mexico in its early years. The closest to that vision that I found here was a timeline by Archangelsk (Link) whose format I liked and will sort off be using here. I would also like to credit the timelines of Mad Orc, Vaultboy, and Jycee whose timelines I am still reading whose styles and formats are also an influence.
There will be main timeline posts (Parts and Chapters) as well as "Bio" posts which would be like dramatized segments in historical documentaries. You won't necessarily need to read those, but they would, I hope, ad a bit more. I also would like to add the occasional culture post but I can't say how frequent they would be. I would also like to point out that I am making the timeline grow more or less "naturally" even though I do have ideas of where I want Mexico to be, if I find that can't be there without too much tomfoolery on my part, then it won't got there. But there will be some slight "wanking" of Mexico.
My next post will contain the first part of the Timeline. Please feel free to leave feedback and constructive criticism is always welcomed!
Notice that it's a "revolt"....as for the Spanish, my next post will show how a monarch butterfly (This is very much a pun) might cause some interesting issues. Actually, I think I now know what title to give myself..."Texan revolt years down" ALMO INTENSIFIES. Also is that a imprecation to the Spanish reconquista attemptaof Mexico at the end.
Thanks, and Happy New Years!I am loving it !!!!
If you want any help, especially about Alta California and Chihuahua and Arizona, then please feel free to ask.
But most if all. Please continue the TL.
Happy New year !