An Independent Scotland, How would It Have Turned Out?

An Irish friend of mine, a lifelong Man City fan related a story to me recently. He was over in Glasgow at an old firm clash and was wearing some Celtic gear while he was over in the city! 'Brother' were the sponsors of Man City at the time! He was walking through the centre of Glasgow and saw a child wearing a Man City shirt with his parents and on passing said 'Hello, Brother!' the reply came back 'Fuck off, Ya Taig bastard ya!' The child who said it was about 8 years old! So obviously sectarianism in Glasgow is something we can consign to the history books! BTW all my friend could do was laugh and I bet the sprog concerened would have been savvy enough to spot a southern Irish accent and would have said it even without the prescence of any Celtic symbles! Mind you, no man in Ireland would dream of approaching a sprog in that manner because he could be at risk of all sorts of nasty allegations!
Haven't you finished yet? Individual experiences almost count for nothing in the wider scale of things in Glasgow. I was verbally abused a couple of times in Berlin because I'm from the British Isles. The last time it happened, the guy knew how to speak English so I truned around and said "I'm Scottish not English you stupid bastard!" The guy was really embarassed and ended up buying me a pint.
I drifted a bit off course there. No one in their right mind would just say random shit to a child anywhere. It just doesn't happen. If this mythical Irishman does exist then frankly I'd be surprised if he could tell his arse from his elbow.
The point is you find racist idiots everywhere, of all ages and walks of life. One person doesn't reflect a city's opinion.
 
I think if Mary Tudor's heirs position themselves to the throne after Elizabeth's death that will surely happen.

Did Mary have heirs, besides her sister (Elizabeth)?

Mary Queen of Scots's heir James did take the throne of England, after taking the throne of Scotland earlier.

So...I have no idea what this means.
 
Did Mary have heirs, besides her sister (Elizabeth)?

Mary Queen of Scots's heir James did take the throne of England, after taking the throne of Scotland earlier.

So...I have no idea what this means.

I mean Mary Tudor as in the former queen of France not Mary Tudor as in Bloody Mary.
 
To be honest, I doubt this happened.

For one thing, the term "Taig" is rarely used in Scotland. In Glasgow, Celtic supporters are commonly tims and Rangers fans huns. The term "taig" more commonly used in Northern Ireland than in Scotland. Even if he was being offensive "fenian" would be a more likely term. Its like a person telling a tale about London and having a local londoner using the term "ned". Secondly, if this mythical eight year old did exist, his parents would kill him.

Heres a few facts for you about this sectarian hellhole...

  • In Scotland 50% of Catholics marry non-Catholics.
  • Only 1% report any experience of discrimination against them personally due to their religion.
  • Going by the last census, Catholics in Scotland are more likely to say they are Scottish rather than British. Why would this be the case if they were the victims of sectarianism?
  • An increasing number of those identifying with Catholicism, feel the Church should comment on public issues but not private matters. This is possibly a move to secularism.
  • Other signs of tolerance in society include the backlash against those figures that are 'caught' airing sectarian attitudes and the decreasing membership of the Orange Lodge (estimated to be 50,000) in Scotland, compared to other countries.
The fact that a Scottish government report has stated that only 1% report any discrimination due to their religion says it all really.

There is a problem in Scotland, mainly in Greater Glasgow and it is often incorrectly labelled sectarianism, it is an issue with the "booze and blade culture".

This is where young people (aged 15-30 or so)get drunk and if the football is on go and pick a fight with those who support the opposite team. Again this is backed up by statistics. This is also an issue during the election, with the SNP wanting a minnimum price on alcohol and Labour stating that those carrying weapons should be sent to the jail on a minnimum six month sentence. This applies equally to those of Catholic or Protestant persuasion and the problem spikes after Old Firm games....The question is how to stop this rubbish.

Are there bigots in Scotland? Yes. Are there nutters? Yes. Are there those who do discriminate? Yes. Does this make Scotland sectarian? No. You get bigots and idiots in every country, from Albania to Zimbabwe.

In Scotland people with Irish Ancestery have done very well, from Billy Connolly to Sean Connery to Annie Lennox.

I'm tired of this.

Tripe, tripe, tripe.
 
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In the Republic Utd probably have more fans than any other premiership club with Liverpool 2nd, but every premiership club has Irish based fans! Arsenal were traditionally the most loved along with Utd! I'm a lifelong Liverpool fan, Irish people very often have slightly obscure 2nd favourite English teams, but my other favourite are the Magpies, so long suffering ain't half the term applicable to me!
 
Oh, BTW,
A love of Man Utd crosses the sectarian divide in Belfast for sure, it's sometimes said Belfast isn't green or orange, but red!
 
No real sectarianism in Scotland aside from the Hoops-Gers rivalry, square that with the 2 mail bombs at least 1 viable sent to Celtic Boss Neil Lennon's home and others to his lawyer and a retiring Scottish politician!
 
On a side note, I can guarantee you this is not the case. When I went to Dublin with my family last summer, we got verbally abused on the streets for our English accents.

I spent 18 months in Dublin doing my Masters and never had a single bit of trouble.
 
It has also come out in light of recent events that Lennon has had a bullet sent to him as have 2 Celtic Players including Catholic N.Ireland international - Paddy mcCourt! The head of the catholic church in Scotland also had a bullet posted to him prior to the pope's UK visit! At what stage does it cross the line to downright vicious sectarianism, in fairness have people with links to protestant churches or Rangers FC been treated like this by Taigs? I'm not saying Taigs are not well capable of pulling sectarian stunts of course they are!
 
I was watching the Beeb's coverage of the assembly/council/ AV referenedum, by-election coverage last night and it seemed to be implied that despite the SNP on their way to a majority in the Scottish Assembly, the support for independence was lower than during the referendum years ago!
 
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