An independent Alawite state is created by the French

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"Faisal's government controlled a limited area and was dependent on Britain which, along with France, generally opposed the idea of a Greater Syria and refused to recognize Faisal as its king. The kingdom surrendered to French forces on 24 July 1920."

What's your point? There was a Arab monarchy, for four months, that was opposed and dismantled by the French. Kinda supports my point that a post-WWII era independent Arab polity from the French Mandate area isn't going to be a monarchy nor will have been for 20-odd years.
 

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Couldn't the Jordanian Hashemites want to annex Syria for themselves, though?

They could, but it would be a power play out of line with Jordan's aim of keeping things calm in the region. Also, in the immediate post-WWII era Jordan was still heavily influenced by Britain so War (and it would require War for Hashemite Jordan to annex Syria) is unlikely.

Also, what does Jordan gain from annexing Syria?
 
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"Faisal's government controlled a limited area and was dependent on Britain which, along with France, generally opposed the idea of a Greater Syria and refused to recognize Faisal as its king. The kingdom surrendered to French forces on 24 July 1920."

What's your point? There was a Arab monarchy, for four months, that was opposed and dismantled by the French. Kinda supports my point that a post-WWII era independent Arab polity from the French Mandate area isn't going to be a monarchy nor will have been for 20-odd years.

My point is that there is precedence for Jordan and Syria to be unified under the same king. An independent Alawite state and the creation of Greater Syria after WWI is not mutually exclusive, it just depends on how the Ottoman Empire gets carved up.

If Sykes-Picot (or something like it) gets enacted, then it becomes easier. Have Lebanon and the Syrian coast become French, whilst Greater Syria either becomes an Anglo-French joint protectorate, or it is shared into two spheres of influence.
 

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If Sykes-Picot (or something like it) gets enacted, then it becomes easier. Have Lebanon and the Syrian coast become French, whilst Greater Syria either becomes an Anglo-French joint protectorate, or it is shared into two spheres of influence.
Sykes-Picot makes it less likely as that implies heavy Allied (French and British) influence in the area and they were opposed to the idea.

You need the Arabs to Revolt (without British aid) and the Ottomans to fall for that to come about. That makes it a different POD and another Thread.
 

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They could, but it would be a power play out of line with Jordan's aim of keeping things calm in the region. Also, in the immediate post-WWII era Jordan was still heavily influenced by Britain so War (and it would require War for Hashemite Jordan to annex Syria) is unlikely.

Couldn't Britain agree to this in order to have a stronger ally in the region, though?

Also, what does Jordan gain from annexing Syria?

More people, more economic potential, more resources, and greater power and influence.
 

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Couldn't Britain agree to this in order to have a stronger ally in the region, though?

More people, more economic potential, more resources, and greater power and influence.

Weaker ally as it would be riven by internal divisions.

More tribal rivalry, more mouths to feed, more places to spread those resources and more threat to her neighbours and longer borders to defend.

This isn't a computer game where the guy with the most provinces in his colour wins. Most of the nations in the Middle East were dirt poor and struggled like hell as it was to make it by. Adding a few million pissed off bedouins and politically active Arabs with a taste for republicism isn't the route to longevity. It was never attempted OTL for good reason.
 
Couldn't Britain agree to this in order to have a stronger ally in the region, though?



More people, more economic potential, more resources, and greater power and influence.
I seem to recall reading about the British actually considering some sort of Jordanian based monarchy in Syria, given that they needed something to fill the vacuum Britain was trying to create by kicking out the French.

I want to say it was from A Line in the Sand. I thought the Iraqi king still laid claim to Syria at the time, so I'm not sure how that could have been sorted out.

Regardless the best way to accomplish something like that would be an earlier POD putting the Syrian monarchists on a stronger footing.
 
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