An Examination of Extra-Universal Systems of Government

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  1. pattontank12 Better Dead than Red!

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    Still looks awesome.
     
  2. Kerguelen Prime Specimen

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    Which MotF was it?
     
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  3. Ephraim Ben Raphael Super Writer Extraordinaire

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    Thank you.:)

    I can't actually remember. The prompt was something about governments being exiled to their former colonies, or something like that.
     
  4. pattontank12 Better Dead than Red!

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    I'm guessing before the Bolshevik Revolution Alaska was mainly used as an extension of the exile to Siberia thing. Afterwards the white Russian government in exile was able to stabilize its economy thanks to the duel discoveries of gold and oil. Along with being supported by the US and Canada to prevent the spread of Communism.
     
  5. Worffan101 Ain't done nothing if I ain't been called a Red

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    I'm still thinking about the idea of a Pakistan run as a literal wellfare state by a massive public-health ministry (the military is essentially a logistics network with guns and some combat training, to protect the people and their health, the economy is run in a quasi-market-socialist fashion with a massive social safety net, etc.) after multiple badly lost wars with India and a pandemic disease outbreak in the mid-late '70s left all the major political figures so widely hated that they put an ascetic philanthropist in charge of the country, but unfortunately between the job search, grad school applications, my other projects, and sheer creative exhaustion I've been unable to work on it.

    I know we already had a kakistocracy with that Japan a while back, but have we seen a Strasserist/nazbol regime yet? Command economy like the USSR but also a strict hierarchy/caste system of "races" like colonial Latin America on steroids?
     
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    How does it fit with the attempted Islamic nationalism Pakistan has tried to generally use, and was founded upon, as a unifying ideology to attempt to paper over all the ethnic/racial tensions and languages and such?
     
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    I would be interested in doing a "Sorelian" India which is basically "National Maoist".
     
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    "on the site", please.
     
  9. Worffan101 Ain't done nothing if I ain't been called a Red

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    Not one bit. The "nation of nurses" is in part a reaction to the"martial race theory" that got this Pakistan gutted.
     
  10. Ephraim Ben Raphael Super Writer Extraordinaire

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    Typo.:p
     
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  11. Whiteshore Defender of Myrcella Baratheon

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    Maybe you could insert independent Baluchistan and Afghanistan (doesn't matter if it is a surviving Kingdom of Afghanistan, Muhammad Daoud's short-lived Republic of Afghanistan lasting longer, or the Democratic Republic of Afghanistan) grabbing the Northwest Frontier as well (to "add insult to injury" to Pakistan's state)?
     
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  12. Worffan101 Ain't done nothing if I ain't been called a Red

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    I mean, this Pakistan would've completely lost Kashmir to India, but basically given up on getting it back due to lack of political will following the military and societal clusterfuck.
     
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  13. Whiteshore Defender of Myrcella Baratheon

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    True, but what about my idea of the Pashtun bits of Pakistan being nommed by a more stable Afghanistan ("to protect the Pashtuns in the area") and Baluchistan (they have a strong separatist movement IOTL) breaking free?
     
  14. Worffan101 Ain't done nothing if I ain't been called a Red

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    Possible but unlikely. I'm imagining more, the state keeps itself together, they start aggressively recruiting people to go abroad to learn medical skills and most of those people come back but a significant chunk of them stay abroad to funnel cash home, that provides a trickle of cash inflow while the state sorts itself out, they eventually get back on their feet by burying the hatchet with India (probably after a more authoritarian head of the health ministry is thrown out and the organization is reformed along more democratic lines, ironically giving it even more power and essentially consuming what used to be the government), which brings US aid and foreign investment, etc. By the 21st century they formally abolish the old government and institute voting procedures for who runs the health ministry. So the Pakistani state has literally been replaced by "the Pakistani Health Ministry".
     
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  15. Whiteshore Defender of Myrcella Baratheon

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    Fair enough, but Baluchistan and the Pashtun bits of Pakistan having their own separate "Health Ministries" with a large degree of autonomy from Islamabad (or whatever they renamed Islamabad to) could still work?
     
  16. Worffan101 Ain't done nothing if I ain't been called a Red

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    I'll think about it when I get around to actually writing the damn thing. :)
     
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    What about Cuba? It's a communist state with a thriving heath-care industry, strong state control over the economy, and has the third highest doctors-per-person ratio in the entire world. Even before the take-over of Castro, Batista's Cuba managed to outperform other third-world nations in infant mortality and life expectancy thanks to the fact that the ratio of physicians were still higher than Britain, France, and the Netherlands. While nuclear war might be enough to wipe Cuba of the map, maybe a bloodier revolution would be enough to create a country run by the public-health ministry