An Examination of Extra-Universal Systems of Government

Discussion in 'Alternate History Books and Media' started by Ephraim Ben Raphael, May 19, 2011.

  1. Ernak E V E R Y M A N A M E M E

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    Here are all my ideas:
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  2. Timaeus Βασιλεύς τῆς Ζωσῠνῐ́ᾱς

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    I want to make an ATL Philippines with an interesting government system. Rvbomally made that anarcho-capitalist wasteland, but I want to make something more recognizably Filipino. Hm...
     
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  3. rvbomally Russian Hacker

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    My cover of @InfernoMole's EEUSG entry, the Liberian Federation. Many thanks to him for providing feedback and the text below.

    • The PoD is Henry Clay's victory in the 1844 election, which prevents the annexation of Texas and California by the United States. Because Texas and California aren't annexed, there is no "expansion of slavery" issue, which means that the collision of South and North over the issue of slavery - and the disintegration of the Whigs - is staved off by at least a decade. The majority of Whigs and Democrats is willing to accept the resettlement of free blacks in Africa, and by the time ACS withdrew their funds from Liberia, it has already grown into an economically stable, semi-industrialized state.
    • The free blacks in Sierra Leone do not die from malaria and eventually thrive, leading to them becoming a partially self-governing "free black homeland" under British protection. A referendum, backed by former chiefs and independence-minded Krios, leads to Sierra Leone becoming a republic, one which would be eventually absorbed by Liberia in the 1890s.
    • The United States abolishes slavery in the 1870s after a decade of "Abolitionist Insurgency" in the 1860s. The "nationalist" Whigs, which would have become the American Party IOTL, develop into the Patriot Party, which would become a powerful force in American politics until the downfall of the United States.
    • Following the victory of the Anglo-Franco-Russian Entente over the primarily Amero-German coalition in the First Great War, the weakened United States collapses to a socialist revolution in the early 1920s. The German Empire and its sphere of influence is divided between the Entente powers, but the map of Europe is distorted following the establishment of the French Integralist State.
    • French Integralism is an unholy mix between Strasserite fascism and the political thought of Charles Maurras, holding that a strong state with a strong leader and a strong Catholic church, willing to oppose the machinations of the International Four Pillars of Evil (Protestantism, Jewry, Freemasonry and Barbarism) leeching off the wealth of the nation, will ultimately protect the people and achieve greatness.
    • The French Civil War that led to the rise of the Integralist State and the Franco-Liberian War that preceded it led to the early independence of many colonies, namely Morocco and Madagascar. It also lead to a huge shakeup in the colonial world and a wholly different anti-colonialist movement, which would have pretty nasty consequences for India.
    • India is disunited, with most of these states either in Russia or China's sphere of influence.
    • The First GreatWar is followed up by a Second Great War (1939-1944), fought between the Russian-led Entente (and their communist allies) and the French-led Coalition. Predictably, the Coalition is defeated, but the last-minute detonation of a French nuclear weapon allows a rump French state to persist.
    • The Russian Empire's dominance of the world is challenged by the Workers' Union of Latin America, a state that rose from the ashes of the First Brazilian Republic in 1925 which begins the "Global Game." The Game continues until the downfall of the Workers' Union in 1990.
    • The fall of Integralist dominance saw the beginning of active socialist insurgency around the world and the establishment of workers' republics in numerous countries. Mainland Portugal in particular, previously occupied by the Integralists, became the Workers' Republic of Portugal, while the overseas possessions of Portugal consolidated into the State of Portugal. Even after the unification of the two states, Portugal holds what would be called a "special relationship" with Liberia, stemming from geographic and economic closeness of the European state-in-exile and the African democratic federation.
    • Modern "great powers" include Egypt, the Congolese Union (a state commonly described as "technocratic synthesis"), the Chinese Republic and Australia, though Russia is the undisputed superpower of the world.
    • Liberia is a strong neutral kingmaker, though recently it grew distant from the Russian Empire due to ideological differences (Liberia being governed by the Liberal Party and Russian Empire being governed by a Trudovik-Cadet coalition) and allegations of human rights abuses and illegal arms trade in the former.

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  4. mdc_1957 Moved on from the forum

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    Passing through, I see a new EEUSG cover. And I like.

    Seriously though, it's pretty impressive!
     
  5. General Lemarc Member

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    Idea: A Confederacy that managed to create a separate but equal system that actually works(in the right situations, according to the right people, anyway), and is seen as an equal society, facing off against a racist, xenophobic union that blames blacks and immigrants for the loss of the south. If you're still taking other submissions, i might write this myself.
     
  6. pattontank12 Let there be war

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    Idea: A eugenic feudal society that is ruled by a nobility of Star Trek augment styled superhumans and an un augmented peasantry. That has been living in a near 19th Century lifestyle. While the nobility has monopolized advanced technology for themselves. Plus a slave caste of artificial humans ala Fallout synths.
     
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  7. Archangel Battery-powered Bureaucrat

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    Is the State of Portugal democratic after reunification?
     
  8. The Professor Pontif of the Guild

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    Perhaps extend that idea to technological castes in general?
     
  9. mdc_1957 Moved on from the forum

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    The idea does seem rather promising, though alternatively, you could also try to mix that with the "WI the Confederate outposts in Brazil actually become large enough to form their own state" notion.
     
  10. General Lemarc Member

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    That sounds like another story entirely. I've just always been intrigued by a Confederacy that turned good-I got it from the plot of a book where a black draft saves the confederacy from being conquered, and thus equality slowly comes as the nation realizes it owes its black population its very existence, while the Union goes nuts and blames the blacks for everything(I forget the title and can never find it on google). Plus, it'd be cool to see the modern-day confederates rationalize their early days like the North Korea timeline posted here.
     
  11. Ernak E V E R Y M A N A M E M E

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    I can help, also there is some relation as the Confederates escaped to Brazil. There's even a village with Confederate descendants. Also would it have any relation to the Golden Circle as Brazil was a sugar exporter, and the Golden Circle was a project to turn the CSA into a slave empire.
     
  12. yaitz331 Member

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    Is there going to be a chapter on international governments?
     
  13. SaveAtlacamani Napoleon the Red Donor

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    How can I contribute to this, exactly? Who needs to approve of what when I have an ideology that I would like to explain?
     
  14. yaitz331 Member

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    I believe you PM Ephraim Ben Raphael with your write-up and he decides whether or not it fits.
     
  15. SaveAtlacamani Napoleon the Red Donor

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    Even if the post is old and from a banned member - I don't agree with that sentiment. I picture a demarchy/lottocracy would be quite a bit different than normal democracy.
     
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  16. Neoteros Dux Mediolani

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    Maybe this system might arise somewhere in the Alps: even in OTL, the old Landsgemeinden have survived in a couple of Swiss cantons, and the old Republic of the Three Leagues (OTL Grisons) was even more democratic than that.