An divided Empire.

We assume a "Fatherland" look scenario:
Hitler achieve a victory in Europe in 1941 and reinstate Edward VIII as King of a fascist Great Britain with Oswald Mosley as UK "Duce".
United States remains neutral (we have nothing war with Japan).
George VI resides in Canada and is recognized by Canadian as sovereign and the rightful King of the United Kingdom.
Winston Churchill also lives in Canada.
Well,in this scenario What happens to British Empire?
 
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We assume a "Fatherland" look scenario:
Hitler achieve a victory in Europe in 1941 and reinstate Edward VII as King of a fascist Great Britain with Oswald Mosley as UK "Duce".
United States remains neutral (we have nothing war with Japan).
George VI resides in Canada and is recognized by Canadian as sovereign and the rightful King of the United Kingdom.
Winston Churchill also lives in Canada.
Well,in this scenario What happens to British Empire?

ASB. To reinstall Edward VIII (Edward VII had been dead for thirty years) as a puppet the Germans would have to invade Britain, which is something Germany isn't capable of.
 
Wait, what? This would require the unmentionable sea mammal, and since Germany was never actually prepared for an invasion of Britain in '41 at all, this is ASB.
 
Ignoring Sealion? I'd say anything the Americans/Canadians can reach will remain out of the Nazi's clutches. Africa or Asia though? becomes much more iffy.
 
Canada, Australia, and New Zealand look to the U.S. South Africa joins the Axis. India becomes a gigantic Lebanon.
 

Kongzilla

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If Germany captures Dunkirk and the British lose the BoB by ASB intervention. Would the King and Royals flee to canada, can Hitler manage to get Edward on the throne just by threat of invasion. Followed by Parliament resigning and fleeing to India thinking that Britain will simply become the lackey of the Nazis. Mosley gets popular and so does edward simply by blaming Churchill and the Rest and saying neither of them wanted the war. By 45 Mosley is PM.
 
I agree about Australia, Zealand,and off course Canada.
India,without a war in pacific could be remain to UK,with the help of Germans.
Africa,for the most is the same (and i can see South Africa go fascist).
But the African colonies on Atlantic coast?
 
If Germany captures Dunkirk and the British lose the BoB by ASB intervention. Would the King and Royals flee to canada, can Hitler manage to get Edward on the throne just by threat of invasion. Followed by Parliament resigning and fleeing to India thinking that Britain will simply become the lackey of the Nazis. Mosley gets popular and so does edward simply by blaming Churchill and the Rest and saying neither of them wanted the war. By 45 Mosley is PM.

Without Sealion, the Royals could simply flee to Scotland, if they even did. Uh yeah, governments don't really run away from their country when it's still unoccupied.
 

Kongzilla

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Damn, can I manage to get it into fatherland scenario. The threat of a nuke gets the Royals to flee but instead an invasion is the threat.
 
No country, particularly ones that view themselves as a great power, is going to collapse and see its leadership flee before a single enemy actually touches their land.
 

Kongzilla

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It'd be a stretch to get it at 1949, 1951 is the most comfortable date I can see them getting it. But America doesn't know Germany doesn't have the bomb.
 
I could see a period similar to that of Vichy France and Free France, tho the British Empire probably could get by without London. As long as King George VI is alive Edward is no consequence outside Britain. India is questionable, things may fly apart as independence movements become more strident in their calls and the Delhi may become more aggressive in cracking down.

I strongly suspect the Empire will simply switch its capital temporarily to a new location.
 
We assume a "Fatherland" look scenario:
Hitler achieve a victory in Europe in 1941 and reinstate Edward VIII as King of a fascist Great Britain with Oswald Mosley as UK "Duce".
United States remains neutral (we have nothing war with Japan).
George VI resides in Canada and is recognized by Canadian as sovereign and the rightful King of the United Kingdom.
Winston Churchill also lives in Canada.
Well,in this scenario What happens to British Empire?

Great question! Shame about most of the answers you got... Amazing sometimes to think this is an ALTERNATE history board.

And yes, there will come a point during the invasion of Britain when the king will be forced to flee to Canada, even if the Highlands for example remain unconquered.

After all, nobody seems amazed that the royal families of Norway or Holland fled to escape being identified with the Nazi regime. If all that is holding out are guerillas, then the king remaining would risk identifying him with the turncoats in London, or more likely risk someone like Skorzeny capturing him!

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Grey Wolf
 
I could see a period similar to that of Vichy France and Free France, tho the British Empire probably could get by without London. As long as King George VI is alive Edward is no consequence outside Britain. India is questionable, things may fly apart as independence movements become more strident in their calls and the Delhi may become more aggressive in cracking down.

I strongly suspect the Empire will simply switch its capital temporarily to a new location.

I've always been interested in this idea. After all, the UK has multiple substantial loyal British populations overseas, whereas Vichy only really had Algeria and even there the non French outnumbered them
 

Ancientone

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Damn, can I manage to get it into "Fatherland" scenario. The threat of a nuke gets the Royals to flee but instead an invasion is the threat.
There are several ways to get to a "Fatherland" situation and they don't really need the removal of the Sovereign, who is after all a cypher as far as power is concerned. The importance of the Sovereign lays in the symbolic relationship with subjects (not citizens) of the Empire.
In “Fatherland” Britain was not occupied, but had been eliminated as a belligerent with a peace treaty that favoured Germany and installed a pro-German government--- these are optional ways to reach Robert Harris’s world.
1/. Weaken the agreements between Britain and France in 1938 making Britain more isolationist, slower to re-arm and less likely to make any commitments to Poland.
2/. Eliminate Churchill (obvious), send him to India in 1936 as Viceroy (he wouldn't accept anything less and would love to have made trouble there; he was sure that his Parliamentary career was over in 1935. Smuts was keen for him to be G-G of South Africa in lieu of a Royal, but a native South African was considered more politic), he is not in the Commons shouting warnings from 1936 to 1939 and cannot conspire against Chamberlain or be available to take over as PM or put backbone into the cabinet in May 1940.
3/. Have Britain sign a peace treaty after a failed Dunkirk evacuation on very favourable terms triggering a more rightist government that allies itself with Germany against “Bolshevism”.
4/. The USA, after milking Britain of all gold and other assets does not implement Lend-Lease and a flat-broke Britain has to declare a draw and signs a peace treaty in late 1941.
5/. As per Harris’s world, Germany wins the U-boat war any time before mid-1942 and a starved Britain has to sue for peace.

In order for Germany to knock-out the USSR it would be important for Britain to be eliminated from the war before 1942 and not supplying arms or intelligence to the Soviets and possibly actively aiding Germany. Most of all a USA looking the other way would be required.
If Britain went full-on fascist after a peace treaty, with opposition MPs being locked up indefinitely under Defence Regulation 18b, but Parliament still sitting and rubber-stamping, a 1960s Greek situation may have arisen with George VI running off to Canada as Constantine ran off to London, however the relationship of the Dominions with the Monarchy would be most problematic.
 
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