An Anglican on the Portuguese Throne?

I was reading some stuff about Catherine of Braganza, Queen consort of England, and imagined some what could be the consequences if there was a combination of two PODs in the history of her family. Something like this:

1638 (POD 1): Catherine of Braganza is born, but with some better gens

1662: Catherine marries Charles II of England

1663: She gives birth to a daughter (Louise)

1665: A son is born (Charles)

1668: Other son (James)

1670: She dies giving birth to other child, who dies too

1678: Louise is married to William of Orange

1683: Afonso II of Portugal dies; his brother becomes king Pedro II

1685: Charles II dies; Charles III is the new king of England, Scotland an Ireland

1686 (POD2): Pedro II of Portugal dies; his daughter Isabel becomes Queen

1690: Queen Isabel dies (same year as OTL); Charles III of England is officially the King of Portugal


So, by the tradition, the Anglican king of England would be also the King of Catholic Portugal. I can't see it working, so what do you think that could happen in this case?
 
THAT would be interesting for sure. The only way it would not work was because of the King's position in the Church of England, but here's an idea. Say if Charles II manages to escape the ECW - and ends up converting to the Catholic Church on the way to Portugal. Could this have helped? Otherwise, the son (Charles III) would be seen as a royal bastard.
 
THAT would be interesting for sure. The only way it would not work was because of the King's position in the Church of England, but here's an idea. Say if Charles II manages to escape the ECW - and ends up converting to the Catholic Church on the way to Portugal. Could this have helped? Otherwise, the son (Charles III) would be seen as a royal bastard.

But, if Charles III, the new king, wasn't so stupid as James II, remaining in the Anglican faith, there would be a Civil War?

Also, would Spain do anything? It would be 50 after the Portuguese independence, but there would be no available Portuguese heir from the House of Braganza. Could Charles II of Spain claim Portugal again?
 
Would Spain have the resources at this point to credibly take on Portugal and England? (and the Netherlands, for that matter).

I say go for it, it'll make for a good TL.
 
Would Spain have the resources at this point to credibly take on Portugal and England? (and the Netherlands, for that matter).

I say go for it, it'll make for a good TL.

Well, Netherlands surely not. I only thought about making Charles II marrying his daughter Louise to William of Orange because OTL he insisted on doing it with his niece Mary.

I don't know if Spain would retake Portugal also, because they officialy recognised the House of Braganza as the Portuguese ruler dinasty in 1668. However, if a Protestant would take the throne, they would have three options:

a) Don't bother with it and let to the Portuguese to solve.
b) Do not accept, and try to retake the country for the Habsburgs.
c) Do not accept, but as they recognise the House of Braganza as the rightful dinasty, then impose the Spanish count of Oropesa, Manuel Joaquin de Toledo y Portugal, a descendent through a male line from Dom Duarte, Catarina de Braganza's son (not the wife of Charles II, but the one who was a claimant for the Portuguese throne in 1580).

Unless, of course, Charles III renounces to his rights, makes his brother James become a Catholic, and put his brother on the Portuguese throne. What could be nice too.
 

Thande

Donor
Unless, of course, Charles III renounces to his rights, makes his brother James become a Catholic, and put his brother on the Portuguese throne. What could be nice too.

It never took too much persuasion to make a Stuart turn Catholic in OTL... :rolleyes:
 

Thande

Donor
Indeed.:D

But how different would be to England if Charles II has a son? Probably no Glorious Revolution, so what would happen?

Tony Jones had some ideas in his latest TL.

It depends if Charles III is as winning with the public as Charles II was. If so, the Stuarts hang on to power. If not...
 
Assuming they don't manage to piss off the Portuguese as they managed to do with absolutely everyone else they ruled over ;)

...In the Portuguese Courts:

- So, our choice is between a Habsburg freak and a Stuart?
- Yes, it is.
- Well... How much freak he really is?
- He has four testicles sir...
- Hmm... OK.... Four testicles... a Stuart.... But, besides the testicles, what more has he?...:D
 

That's interesting for sure!

But in the scenario I described it could be theorically possible too (of course, due to religious issues, it wouldn't happen). If both sons of Charles II die, then his heir would be Louise, married to William of Orange. If they have a son, he would be the rightful heir of England, Scotland, Ireland, Netherlands and Portugal, and all their colonies! Pratically a new Habsburg Empire!:eek::D
 
That's interesting for sure!

But in the scenario I described it could be theorically possible too (of course, due to religious issues, it wouldn't happen). If both sons of Charles II die, then his heir would be Louise, married to William of Orange. If they have a son, he would be the rightful heir of England, Scotland, Ireland, the Netherlands and Portugal, and all their colonies! Pratically a new Habsburg Empire!:eek::D

Mmm... drool...

:D:D:D:D:D

Dominion of Brazil, anyone... :p
 
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