An America that loathes England

Hello everyone, I'm curious what massive changes to the world you all would expect if the United States and England are enemies. Specifically, what kind of foreign relations would the United States have if they didn't have their partner across the pond? I get the impression that England has dictated, directly and indirectly, much of the decisions that he United States has made.

And to get very specific, I'm wondering about Japan. If perhaps we could have been friends from the start, if a lack of security in the Atlantic would have caused us to seek something similar in the Pacific?

Ps: I'm making a similar thread in post-1900 that deals with Russia.
 
I don't think it matters much until World War I unless Great Britain decides to recognize and support the South during the Civil War. The Trent Affair with Great Britain and the USA as bitter enemies certainly has the potential to lead to war. A USA that hates Great Britain would certainly lead the USA to be more sympathetic and perhaps more supportive of Germany and the Central Powers during WWI. That could lead to some interesting scenarios!
 
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Lusitania

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Have Great Britain make a major military gains and conquests in War of 1812. This results in an increase in Canada size and in turn Americans becomes anti - British.

Outcomes:

1) British investment in American development is stopped

2) America refuses and/or restricts British citizens entry into US.

3) Canadian migration (French) in New England not welcomed. They move west instead of south.

4) Increased military spending on both sides.

5) Possibility of British / American being on different sides in future diplomatic and military endeavours (Crimea War, American Civil war, Boer War and finally world War.
 
Rapprochement between the two countries happened in the late 1800s so I'd say stronger support for the CSA, a more expansionist United States, as well as the lack of a dominating continental power, Prussia/Germany in OTL, would help prevent friendly ties for a while
 
The easiest way to do this is to have Britain throw everything it has at America in 1812. The US would be crushed, and long-term resentment against Britain seems almost inevitable.

But as far as the rest of the world is concerned, Anglo-American enmity isn't really going to matter until the late 19th century, when the US is strong enough to actually have some influence.
 
3) Canadian migration (French) in New England not welcomed. They move west instead of south.

I don't follow your reasoning. The Canadiens were not "British" in any meaningful cultural sense. I don't see how anti-English sentiment would lead to a backlash against people who not only did not speak English, but had their own anti-English historical grievance.
 
Have Great Britain make a major military gains and conquests in War of 1812. This results in an increase in Canada size and in turn Americans becomes anti - British.

Outcomes:

2) America refuses and/or restricts British citizens entry into US.

I posted it in the other thread, but I'll put it here as well, what happens to the Irish population that would be coming from the Famine onwards? Do they go to Canada/Australia/New Zealand? And if so is there any idea how that might change the development of those nations with increased population levels at that time?
 
Well, on the surface a lot of what America did in the US had the added benefit of serving the UK's interests as well, so whether America hates England or not shouldn't have too much bearing on things like, say, the enforcement of the Monroe Doctrine, or perhaps joint attempts to stop the international slave trade.

The problem was also that while America could hate the UK for however much it likes, a lot of the UK elite were quite infatuated with a romanticised version of America, which basically saw it as an Enlightened state free of the feudal vestiges of British society. It formed part of the reason why the UK was rather indulgent of the US for most of the 19th Century. I think maybe constant attempts to wrench Canada away from the Empire could have diminished that enthusiasm.

Lastly, there was the fact that a significant section of the British aristocracy in the 19th Century married American industrial heiresses, partly because of the need for funds (since nobility working in the 19th Century was generally frowned upon). With bad Anglo-American relations you might see more British nobility marrying European nobility, which would create a more 'Continentalist' culture in the UK, and that by itself would drastically affect how the UK elite responded to world events.

A hostile America would probably accelerate the UK's alliance with Japan, if anything. I would have thought that America would be perfectly happy having no friends in the world, seeing as it would fit into the 'uniqueness' of the American polity, and also because there was no real security need for the USA to have friends, anyway.
 

Lusitania

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I posted it in the other thread, but I'll put it here as well, what happens to the Irish population that would be coming from the Famine onwards? Do they go to Canada/Australia/New Zealand? And if so is there any idea how that might change the development of those nations with increased population levels at that time?

The British commonwealth would of greatly grown by the added British/Irish immigration. Canada and South Africa would of been the main destinations since they were closer but Australia and New Zeeland would also of benefited.

Canada would also not lost the immigrants it did receive. One of the issues with Canadian growth was that many immigrants left Canada after a few years (in search opportunity and warmer climate I guess). Also French Canadians not as welcome south of the border.

With the increased British and Irish populations it would of put greater demand for home rule and democracy in the colonies. So possibility of Canada forming sooner.

Also the increased British and Irish population in South Africa would of put greater pressure on the Afrikaners.
 
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