An Alternate ww2

There have been many of these, this is just my thoughts for one. WW1 ends just as it did in our timeline. This world war puts a Soviet Union lead by Leon Trotsky, a Communist China lead by Mao, and a Socialist Italy lead by Mussolini against Britain, a Fascist France, the Weimar Republic, and eventually, the United Statesl.

I don't know all of the details of how it is to end up here, but here is my point of Divergence. In late 1918, after the surrender of Germany in the Great War, Adolf Hitler commits suicide while in the hospital being treated from a gas attack. So this butterflies away Hitler.

I want France to go Fascist sometime between 1928 and 1933. In 1924, after the death of Lenin, I want Leon Trotsky to become leader of the soviet union. With Trotsky's idea of spreading the revolution around the world, he would support the Chinese communists lead by Mao against the Nationalists.
For this I was wondering, would Trotsky give direct aid to the Chinese communists through weapons, munitions and soviet troops, or would he simply give arms and mabey some military advisors?I want the Chinese Communists to win the civil war by 1936, so they are just in time to deal with the Japanese.

For Italy, I want the Italian fascists to focus more on the Socialism aspect of National Socialism.

So this creates an "Axis" of Marxism.

I would suspect that a Trotskyist Soviet Union to be alot more active in foreign affairs then the Stalinist one of OTL. So the USSR would send aid to communist movements all around the world. This might lead to a conflict with the west, there by causing a ww2.

I don't know how to make this all occur yet, so any help would be appreciated.
 
USSR + Socialist Italy = Socialist Spain. There're no "if" or "but" about it. So fascist France is in pincers between Italy and Spain (not that I believe in success of any land invasion, but bombings are coming). But in general anti-communist side is going to wipe the floor with Reds. You see, USSR isn't industrialized enough to withstand combined might of GB, France and Germany, China is unlikely to contribute serious modern force where it matters (in Europe) and Italians... Well, I doubt they'll fight for socialism any better than they did for fascism IOTL.
 
This world war puts a Soviet Union lead by Leon Trotsky, a Communist China lead by Mao, and a Socialist Italy lead by Mussolini against Britain, a Fascist France, the Weimar Republic, and eventually, the United States.

IchBinDieKaiser, do you hate Italy or what? This is going to end even worser than OTL...:p

I want France to go Fascist sometime between 1928 and 1933.

Don't know if possible. The french fascist movement (Croix-de-Feu) never gained a lot of popularity (it was pro-monarchist too, IIRC) and France had a strong democratic tradition... maybe you could make up a really carismatic leader and a populistic movement, something like gaullisme perhaps linked to one of the french generals of WW1, which probably would gain the war veterans support, that the Croix-de-Feu lacked.

For this I was wondering, would Trotsky give direct aid to the Chinese communists through weapons, munitions and soviet troops, or would he simply give arms and mabey some military advisors?I want the Chinese Communists to win the civil war by 1936, so they are just in time to deal with the Japanese.

Or maybe a russian-japanese war. A Russia more focused on the Far East is quite interesting.

For Italy, I want the Italian fascists to focus more on the Socialism aspect of National Socialism.

So this creates an "Axis" of Marxism.

No. By the times of March on Rome, Mussolini had already lost any leaning toward the left. Don't let the socialist label to fool you: the squadristi formation were born to defend the wealthy from the socialists and were financed by them.
In order to have a socialist Italy, I wouyld have king Vittorio Emanuele to suppress the fascist movement during the March on Rome and install an harsh military dictatorship. This could lead in the late twenties to a revolution and a communist goverment.

The actual spark for the war could be Spain. If France is fascist like, she could favour Franco and his ilk, causing Russia and Italy involvment. This clash with Great Britain OTL politic, though, since UK leaned more toward the republicans rather the facists...
 
There's a fundamental difference between fascists and socialists. Fascists are ethno-centrists, while socialists (at least the Marxist brand) are internationalists. The latter believed in international class struggle against capitalists and imperialists. Fascists are driven together simply due to shared interests often in the form of mutually beneficial territorial expansion.
 
Something like this? Including puppet states.

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There's a fundamental difference between fascists and socialists. Fascists are ethno-centrists, while socialists (at least the Marxist brand) are internationalists. The latter believed in international class struggle against capitalists and imperialists. Fascists are driven together simply due to shared interests often in the form of mutually beneficial territorial expansion.
Practically speaking it just means they use different rhetoric when conducting acts of imperialism
 
Practically speaking it just means they use different rhetoric when conducting acts of imperialism
It's hard to distinguish the difference between Soviet internationalism and imperialism. The former was often a pretense for the latter. Nationalism is hard to suppress in socialist states. However, in a fascist state, there is not even the pretense for the common international social welfare. Any cooperation between a fascist dictatorship and a socialist dictatorship would be strictly an alliance of interest not ideology, i.e. the Hitler Stalin pact.

The premise of TTL is a more ideologically pro-Soviet Mussolini. I don't see how that's possible, especially given a more ideologically committed Trotskite Soviet Union. Such an alliance can only happen if both sides can look after the other's interests. Mussolini desire to dominate the Med at the expense of the British and French, he doesn't care about the Weimar Republic. Trotsky wants to spread communism everywhere, including Germany, France, Spain, and Italy. Trotsky doesn't care about the Med (well maybe Greece).

How would these two form an alliance?
 
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