An Alternate Middle East challenge...

I was thinking while browsing some maps what it would take for Middle East to look like this in 1940?

So here is your challenge... With a PoD no earlier than 1900 make Middle East look like this on the map... A Communist Turkey, an Independent Cyprus, Independent Kurdistan and Armenia, a larger Greece, Syria being a French colony, an Independent Israel etc.

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If the Turks are pushed that far out of Thrace, then Constantinople is likely to be an international zone/free city rather than constituting part of the rump Turkey.
 
If the Turks are pushed that far out of Thrace, then Constantinople is likely to be an international zone/free city rather than constituting part of the rump Turkey.

Perhaps it was retained by Turkey as a compensation for other losses...
 
I don't see that, especially with a non-Red Russia alive and well. A country beaten as badly as that Turkey is not one to be compensated with territory.

I would assume that in a war Turkey made a last stand which lead to a stalemate and some concessions were made...
 
I would assume that in a war Turkey made a last stand which lead to a stalemate and some concessions were made...

Which, again, make no sense given the sheer number of Turks now left outside of Turkey and the strategic importance of the Straits.
 
Fixed it somehow... Added an Italian colony to the south and gave Constantinople and the surrounding areas to the Kingdom of Greece...
 

Wolfpaw

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Fixed it somehow... Added an Italian colony to the south and gave Constantinople and the surrounding areas to the Kingdom of Greece...
How does that "fix" anything :confused: Now you have even more Turks outside of Turkey and under colonial rule.
 

Gwax23

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If we are talking post WW1 breakup of the Ottoman empire (Which seems to be the best case post 1900) then I dont understand how Greece gets Constantinople and the Straits but no territory on the Turkish Aegean Coast like Samos.

Also Cyprus would join any Enlarged Greek State.

Italian Anatolia is highly unlikely. Maybe an Italian Area of Influence but direct Italian control beyond Rhodes and some Aegean islands isnt very likely.

What the Hell is that Rump State Arabia?

Armenia and Kurdistan seem plausible seeing as that was the territory to be allocated to them at Sevres.

The kingdom of Persia would get parts of Irak. The Sunni and or persian Areas.

The renaming Arab States Syria, Arabia, Parts of Irak, Transjordan and Egypt should form some sort of UAR under the influence of a France or UK.

This would be to counter Israel, Kurdistan and Persia.

Any Israel former earlier then OTL would be way stronger and larger then OTL. No Holocaust means huge surplus of Jewish Immigrants. bigger population means more land, stronger economy, bigger Military. The current Israel looks like the proposed borders of the Peel Commission.

Everything israel did IOTL was with 6 Million less jews in the world to support them. That population back in the equation means a stronger Israel.

Republic of Russia? That owns the Ukraine and most of the Caucus?

Russia should be broken up into different states for the various Ethnic Homelands and Russia/The Slavic areas should be in a state of warfare similar to the warlords period in China.

No stable democratic russia.
 
I think that without a Holocaust, more Jews would be perfectly happy to stay where they are. I hear that in our timeline before the Holocaust, fewer Jews were interested in Zionism.
 
I was thinking while browsing some maps what it would take for Middle East to look like this in 1940?

So here is your challenge... With a PoD no earlier than 1900 make Middle East look like this on the map... A Communist Turkey, an Independent Cyprus, Independent Kurdistan and Armenia, a larger Greece, Syria being a French colony, an Independent Israel etc.

You really need to stop posting these stupid thinly veiled excuses to rip apart Turkey.
 
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