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America's Funniest President: Mo Udall Presidency & Beyond
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thomas sankara and Maurice Bishop are still in power and alive in there respective countries Grenada and Burkina Faso
Well, Washington DC statehood movement is picking up a fair bit of steam and gaining serious traction. Puerto Rico is the same. Can't say for the other three since I do not know if they would be interested.
Doubt it. Not really anywhere to spill over.
Happened like OTL.
Probably not with Conan, probably yes with She-Ra like OTL, but with differences in setting. No Hawkgirl series. Others have to wait and see.
Hmmm… maybe later.
Hmmm… I did never explain Grenada. Butterflies had Bishop escape execution snd go into hiding before demonstrators pushed back and forced Coard to stand down. Bishop probably resigned/retired by now.
Sankara unfortunately probably still gets assassinated by OTL, but Blaise is forced out by the 1990s.
alt trollhunters animated series where claire becomes the trollhunter
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What if Homer's Odyssey animated film was announced by Disney and to be accurate to the source material as possible
A Hercules animated film by dreamworks animation and faithful to the source material
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The Super Bowl winters are they the same or little bit different
What if world of Warcraft was delayed and after the release of Warcraft 3 Warcraft 4 was announced
Team Atlantis animated series got made or was different then what we got
Batgirl animated series red sonja animated series and film Sinbad: Legend of the Seven Seas animated film was more successful than otl so as Treasure Planet Antonius Disney animated film is planned to be announced and kingdom of the sun is delayed
Mate can you stop spamming the posts please? Try to post your ideas all in the same post next time instead of making a post for each individual one.
Australia moving more to the political left compared to OTL like the rest of the Anglosphere.
As for any other major butterflies… I need to double check regarding the Pacific about changes diverging from OTL
Too far ahead.
Unsure there.
Unsure there though I doubt even Dreamworks would be that fairthful
Probably the same. Sports don’t reslly interest me.
Too far off.
Too far off.
Already mentioned Red Sonja snd unsure about Sinbad.
Like @TheDetailer said, please organize all the stuff into one post and try not to skip ahead of the timeline?
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Spring 2002- Springing into Space
Spring 2002- Springing into Space
Flag of East Timor
Flag of East Timor
Spring 2002 would see the rise of more than a few space-based endeavors, showing that there is a renewed interest in going to the stars, and not just tied to the friendly competition of geopolitics done as a more human alternative to conflict regarding methods for country to flex their muscles at one another. At the same time, it was also done as a means to work together for a greater endgoal, especially as space exploration would hold answers to various practical problems, such as acquiring raw materials and resources for industry along with other potential. One of the first bits of news here would be the launching of the Envisat environmental satellite. [1] The largest civilian satellite made to observe Earth, it was launched by the European Space Agency to further keep an eye on potential climate change phenomena. While the efforts on the national and international levels have been well-invested and yielded plenty of results, more work was to be done while celeberating the current accomplishments. Coal usage in both the US and the SUSR has gone down dramatically with only a scant few remaining and other parts of the world was adjusting. Automobile ownership has been decreasing notably and usage even more so. More work was to be done though, especially with increasing investment over into space. This also including updating preexisting technology given how a storm would injure the Buran, the Russian counterpart to the Space Shuttle. [1] While still salvagable, plans for creating a Buran II are considered with the Americans considering the same for their Shuttle given the age and the concerns over feasibility. Additionally, there was the environment concerns with using traditional rocketry given the pollution created. All of these problems to be faced yet also came with new opportunities for research and development.
However, it wasn't just limited to them the growing space race. South Africa of all places would be see in the news regarding the contribution over into thoughts of space. The first would be on the first African tourist in space. Specifically, that of Mark Shuttleworth blasting off from the Baikonur Cosmodrome on the Soyuz TM-34. [1] While currently the interest of the wealthy, space tourism remained something of a novel idea to help get funding increased into the sector. The second bit of news would be the launching of the SpaceX company of South African buisness magnate, Elon Musk. Coming off from money made from when eBay puchased Paypal (thanks to his stock in te company), he created SpaceX for the purpose of greater space exploration, reduce the costs of transporation and other ambitions. The company was formed after Musk's failures in getting his hands on Dnepr ICBM due to the Russians reorganizing their space program and not wanting to sell any assets. According to Musk, he believed SpaceX could cut the princes of launches significantly by applying vertical integration, using cheaper commercial off-the-shelf components when possible, and adopting the modular approach of modern software engineering. [2] This definitely garnered some interest from various people, most notably Jeff Bezos. Bezos noted an interest in space exploration, even planning on launching his own sort of private company known as Blue Origin, but the project became stillborn due to concerns of a lack of itnerest and capital. As such, Bezos saw SpaceX as a second chance for that and thus would succeed in becoming a partner over with Musk in SpaceX. Time would tell on the ambition of these individuals along with the others in the future of space tech. Questions remained such as alternates to rocket launches, the concerns of space debris in orbit making travel more difficult and thus needing to be solved and the like.
While eyes were over on the stars, other events were ongoing. The Arabian Civil War was ongoing with modest gains over by the Coalition, though noted that as Syria and Qatar were fully getting in gear to support them. They were even going over to contact Afghanistan for additional support over in the conflict against the House of Saud. North Korea's leader in General Secretary of the WPK, Kim Yung-Ju, would retire from the position as agreed with the new leader being Kim Pyong-il. Yung-Ju oversaw the first stage of "de-Kimification" along with reorient the party into more traditional socialist ideals though it included adopted NEP 2.0 styled programs as part of assistance from the Soveriegn Union. While Pyong-il would continue the work of his predecessor to a degree, he also promised further cooperation with South Korea and would begin limited efforts in opening up the country along with letting certain South Korea companies set up shop as part of further unification goals. Meanwhile, East Timor regains its independence after 2-and-a-half years of United Nations administration and 26 years of occupation by Indonesia since 1975. [1] All the while, tech continued to also occupy the news when Sun Microsystems would confirm that it would be acquiring Be Inc and all of its assets, notably BeOS, over from NeXT Inc, allowing the operating system to continue on, though in Sun Microsystems hardware. Already some of the preexisting software of Sun Microsystems such as StarOffice was being prepared to be able to operate on BeOS. However, given Sun Microsystems's devotion to open systems and open source software, as seen in the release of the free open source office suite in OpenOffice, based on StarOffice, one wonders if Sun Microsystems would be willing to do the same with BeOS. It also codifies the company as a third player over next to NeXT and Microsoft. In fact, Sun Microsystems has begun focusing especially in Asia, thanks to the surprising popularity of BeOS in Japan, likely due to the legacy of the Hitachi Flora Prius.
Meanwhile, Napster has finished dealing with the various legal problems and officially no longer in danger of closing down, as it would likely be merging with ArtistShare for the latter to take advantage of the former's growing network of users and even with the upcoming rule changes and the like to not run afoul, the promise of freely supporting new artists and rising talent without having to deal with record companies and the like attracted new artists and intrigued fans of music. It also got the attention of various other growing websites on the possibility of implementing crowdfunding capabilities, so users can help provide a consistent stream of money to keep the website ongoing and allow it to grow. All the while, newer Congress folk have been looking into how to best keep up with the new tech coming in and the decisions need to be made, to where Vice President Gore has suggested to President Clinton on the creation of a department or bureau to best handle the new digital frontier, to achieve a balance between letting it grow naturally, reining it in when need be and updating the laws to balance the interests of all parties. This would be part of President Clinton's broader attempts of trying to shake up and update current structures. One of which was the creation of a Department of Internal Security* (functioning much like the interior ministers of other nations) and reorganizing the Department of the Interior, including potentially renaming it back to the Department of Conservation. All the while, primary season was happening for American elections, as more and more formall smaller parties were picking up steam and new candidates for the rising Federalist Party were being examined.
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[1]- Information and phrasing from here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002
[2]- Information and phrasing from here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SpaceX
*= Basically the rough equivalent of OTL's Department of Homeland Security. Department of the Interior... looking for ideas there, like maybe back to Department of Conservation and also things regarding native american affais and the like.
North Korea is definitely in for an interesting development ad they’re gonna be more opened up and phased into the outside world.
Musk and Bezos working together will be interesting to say the least here and yeah, BeOS did actually have a bit of a noted popularity in Japan.
Any thoughts on the executive developments?
Musk and Bezos working together will be interesting to say the least here and yeah, BeOS did actually have a bit of a noted popularity in Japan.
Any thoughts on the executive developments?
Summer 2002- Summits and Storms
Much like how the temperature was heating up for those entering summer, the Arabian Civil War would be heating up as Qatar and Syria would officially join the conflict with their forces supporting the New Arab Coalition. While the forces of Saudi Arabia were formidable, the cracks were beginning to show regarding the problems with the royal family and the military. Rumors were already circulating of a growing number of infilitrators and espionage going on in the nation's military, with the House of Saud trying to reesolve who is loyal and who isn't. The lackluster support of the outside world was also a big factor; with petroleum becoming less influential if out of long-term necessity, this weakened the diplomatic position of Saudi Arabia. Additionally, their foot-dragging on democratic reforms have also soured relations among their major allies. While the House of Saud tries to scramble to repair said relations, they are also beginning to tear one another apart through family infighting or a few even taking some funds and fleeing the nation, seeking shelter elsewhere. All the while, the economy was in for a bumpy ride as a result of all this. That said, with the economic framing this as a result of the continued prominence of petroleum, it was used to further push certain policies such as increased growth on domestic products, renewable energy and other associated goals with it. Other nations that did have petroleum would help fill in the void, such as Iran and Venezuela, both of whom also saw this as a reminder of the importrance of diversifying their economy and not rely on a singular resource for exportation.
Beyond that conflict, tensions have been relatively low across the world though. Various other major powers continued to work on trying to improve their economy to varying degrees. While benefitting from some liberal policies to deal with the remains of the License Raj, India was still having a ways to go. That said, matters were still improving, especially thanks to aid from the Sovereign Union. Khalistan meanwhile was doing far better than the decade prior and mostly recovered well, focusing on growing service and data industry and growing closer ties with the US. Despite the lingering tension between the two, relations were increasingly cordial and the two were working together more often. The same was with the two Koreas, especially with the change in leadership. North Koerean leader Kim Pyong-il would begin the process of liberalization along further "de-Kimification" of North Korea, hoping to further ease the gaps for future unification. And this would be best seen when the Koreas would be struck by Typhoon Rusa. [1] The most powerful typhoon to strike South Korea in 43 years, it would cause quite the extensive damage. However, through such chaos there was also opportunity. North and South Koreas helping out one another while governments were coordinating and sending aid. While the Sovereign Union helped send aid over for North Korea damaged by the heavy rainfall, South Korea would get plenty of aid and volunteers from their northern neighbors in rescue, cleaning up and rebuilding. Other nations lent in their aid, such as Japan (who was struck earlir by the Typhoon) along with the United States' presence there. Other organizations would come in to help however they can, leaving their impact. One such would be some of the various Chrisitan churches, mainly the Eastern Orthodox Church and mainline Protestant churches. Having rescinded the anti-Christian policies months prior, North Korea would see plenty of Christian aid, both from Korea and other parts, including Americans and thus the faith would begin growing anew over in Korea. This would have some interesting effects, especially with the growing call among some Christian Korean activists for the official formal declaration of a patriarchate over in Korea. Despite the lives lost and damage dealt by the typhoon, it would help to strengthen the bonds for the two Koreas and further ease in the promise of Korean reunification.
Various other instances of global unity and inteaction would be seen over in this time. One would be the World Summit on Sustainable Development 2002 being held over in Johannesburg, South Africa. The purpose was for the United Nations to come together and discuss plans and strategies for sustainable development. [1] And weeks earlier, the world would see the Organisation of African Unity being disbanded and replaced by the African Union for the purpose to better serve the goals now in the 21st century. And weeks prior to that, it is when the Rome Statute comes into force, thereby establishing the International Criminal Court. [1] Despite the various troubles, people were coming together to come and deal with them and there was plenty to be hopeful about. The interest in space travel, the growing developments in music industry and so much more. One such bit of news in the entertainment industry would be the release of the Nintendo Super GamePal*. The successor to the original GamePal, it boasts mightier graphics, more buttons for more control opportunities and overall greater performance. Various games such as NES and GamePal classics would be seen to be planned or already release as remasters over for the new handheld console. Additionally, plans were also released for the Super GamePal to be able to be connected with the upcoming Nintendo GameCube, much like how the Transfer Pak enabled data transfer between the GamePal and Nintendo Ultra 64 and potentially let one play SGP games on the GameCube, like how the SNES GamePal Player** allowed for GamePal games to be played on the SNES. Overall, there was alot to be uplifted about over this summer.
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[1]-Information and phrasing from here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002
*= Yes, this is meant to be TTL's Game Boy Advance. Given how it was given an extra year or so of development, I reckoned it would look a bit like the Nintendo DS, especially given how the DS came out in 2004. Definitely better than TTL's GBA given the extra development and tech.
**= SNES GamePal Player is TTL name given to this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Game_Boy
1: Why is it called the "Game Pal"?
2: I though the GameCube already came out.
3: What are plans for animation for 2002? One new cartoon channel just launched around this time period IOTL, so I'm wondering if it still exists here...