Americas colonized by East Asians

On this thread Straha posted a very strange flag, and I had fun devising a timeline, which I've added to. I didn't feel right using his name on it though, so I changed a few things.

And this page has a list of government types which I used here.

At the end is a list of the largest countries in the ATL, in the "present day", 2007.

. EAST ASIANS COLONIZE THE AMERICAS

In the centuries following 3000 B.C., various groups in India, China and Japan, for various reasons, followed the coast of Asia north and east, and discovered Alaska.

Eventually, some settlements on the eastern side of the Bering Straits managed to survive, and later their descendants, making their living off the sea, followed the coast southward and settled W. Canada and California.

Centuries later, Hindu and Buddhist monks and pilgrims migrated eastward, settled Indonesia and discovered Australia around 400 BC.

Around 200 BC, in Japan, members of the Yayoi and Jomon groups fled Korean invasions. The Yayoi mostly emigrated north and east by boat, and wound up in Siberia or in the Aleutians. They and their descendants followed the coastlines southward, eventually reaching Vancouver Island centuries later. The Jomon mostly fled south to Okinawa, and their descendants settled in the Philippines and Polynesia.

During this period, new philosophies began to emerge in Indonesia, where individual islands began to be dominated by merchant-chieftains. Roughly equal in power, none of them could expand their territories. As their power and wealth grew, literacy flourished and many new schools and variants of local religions developed. Rivalries often turned to warfare, and when local warlords tried to discredit their attackers, schools of scepticism arose.

This led to a form of the Scientific Method. But it was only applied to things with military applications. This included weapons, but was later expanded to include seagoing vessels of all kinds. Sailing, weapons and related technologies became a little more advanced. This was sufficient for the Indonesians to speed up settlement of Australia and surrounding islands, and later the Pacific.

By 100 AD, Jomon and Indonesian populations began to blend with the populations of Melanesia and Polynesia., and their descendants sailed across the Pacific to reach Central and South America by 200 AD.

Indonesians brought many new crops to Australia and began exploiting the minerals and spices. Agriculture increased, populations grew and political states formed. Aborigines began sailing to nearby islands.

Around 300 AD, the North Island of New Zealand was colonized by a clan of Aborigine-Jomon ancestry, and the South Island was colonized by a clan of Indonesian-Aborigine ancestry. Moas were found, but one of them killed a prince, and a king decided it was a bad omen, and killing a wild moa was deemed taboo. Sometimes eggs were captured and the young raised for food, but moas could not be domesticated. Later kings attempted to build zoos for the odd wildlife of New Zealand and Australia.

Around 400 AD, gold was discovered in California and a kingdom was established there. It was called the Kingdom of the Ashildu, and Ashildu became both the title of the king and the name of the firstborn heir. Jomon and Indonesian sailors were settling in South America, bringing with them ironworking, crop seeds and other useful knowledge.

Asians and Native Americans noticed that the swastika was an important symbol for both groups, and its importance increased. Variations were soon used to represent various levels of nobility in the California kingdom.

These variations eventually represented different divisions of society–Rulers, Scribes, Soldiers and Farmers. The Asian languages blended with the native Indian languages to form several new languages, and many new words and proper names were formed.

Around 500 AD, a city was built at the site of OTL San Diego. It was named Heil, and was for a while the capital of the Ashildu kingdom.

Meanwhile in Europe, around 700 AD, Celtic pilgrims and exiles discovered Iceland and settled there. Their descendants continued exploring and discovered Labrador. Later, Viking sailors also settled there and began exploring southward. Their languages also blended with Indian languages to form new languages.

Around 800 AD, New Zealand was settled by sailors from the Philppines, who were descended from Jomon settlers. Hawaii was settled at about the same time by Jomon-Polynesians.

In 1071 the Byzantines fought a major battle at Manzikert. The persons involved were different than OTL, and the Byzantine army was not betrayed The Byzantines won the battle and held onto Anatolia longer, and as a result, a Byzantine ship was able to go further eastward and land at a Black Sea port which it hadn't been able to in OTL.

Unfortunately, here the crew picked up a plague which they took back to Constantinople. The plague spread through the Mideast and Europe, killing most of the population. The plague reached Scandinavia by 1100 and then died out.

The Byzantine empire broke up into competing kingdoms. Russia, Kiev and Novgorod became nonentities. After 1100, Finland was independent of any outside influence, and untouched by the plagues, so the Finns began to spread through Eastern Europe. By 1200 they had taken over the Ukraine, which became dominant in the region. Due to inertia and intransigence they kept the name of Ukraine, despite it being actually a Finnish kingdom, with a new language which combined Finnish with other native languages. During this period, Basque sailors began fishing off the coast of Labrador.

Due to the butterfly effect, a different Shah ruled Khwarazm, he did not offend the Mongols and they did not invade as far eastward. Instead, they invaded and took over China and southeast Asia, earlier.

In 1298, the Mongols successfully invaded Japan, but their presence was limited. Those Mongols who stayed did have some influence on later Japanese culture. Their descendants colonized Okinawa and the Philippines centuries later and mixed with the Polynesians.

More people fled southward from Western Asia, fleeing the Mongols and the plagues. Trade with East Africa was more extensive, and as a result various people in East Africa learned the secrets of gunpowder and gun manufacture earlier. Guns spread through Africa, and several new, strong kingdoms formed. The slave trade continued, but the Africans were in a stronger position.

After 1200, the Pope had settled in London, more or less permanently. The plague had also killed many of the Moors, and Morocco was re-settled by invaders from the African kingdoms to the south while Spain was still recovering and divided by internal strife. North Africa was also prosperous enough for African settlers to emigrate from there to the islands of the Mediterranean. The kingdom of England was beginning to recover its former strength by 1300. By 1400, Africans were beginning to settle in Italy and Spain. Africans began trading with the British Isles.

Sailors from the kingdom of Mali sailed west far enough to see Brazil, and the king of Mali encouraged further expeditions.

In Scandinavia, an agreement similar to the Union of Kalmar is made, and in this timeline the Union survives. The rulers concentrate on getting wealth from the North Sea, Greenland and Vinland, rather than trying to expand eastward. The settlers in Greenland are willing to take advice from the natives and eat what the natives eat, so the settlements survive. The settlements in Vinland expand southward.

Late in the fifteenth century, Africans invaded central Europe just as Europeans were beginning to form new, stable kingdoms. Many fled the resulting wars to the Alps and the Carpathian mountains, where they formed micro-states which the Africans left alone. These microstates were unified by marriage or by conquest by the eighteenth century.

By 1500 the Ukrainian Empire claimed territories from the Baltics to the Caspian sea. In Europe, folklore combined features of European and African cultures. The Catharite heresy combined African ideas to spawn many new idealogies.

In 1590, in France, an immigrant from central Europe named Isambard de Verdgris preached a new philosophy very similar to OTL Quakerism. The local rulers tried to have him arrested, so he and his followers fled to Mexico, where they settled and made alliances with the natives.

In Africa, the Zulus and the Bantus established strong kingdoms which began to expand. Zimbabwe had collapsed, but its territories were taken over by the Bantus, and its knowledge was preserved. The kingdom of Benin controlled NW Africa, and Beninian sailors discovered Brazil in 1520. Contact with the Aztecs in 1544 resulted in a war which overthrew the Aztecs and established the Tetzico Kingdom, influenced by Beninian civilization.

The kingdom of Zimbabwe collapsed, but the Bantus were able to move in and take over. The kingdom of Zanzibar was established around this time.

Ethiopians had expanded north into Egypt and the Mideast. Christian and Islamic kingdoms were formed, either fighting or coexisting. Trade with India was ongoing by 1500.

Between 1400-1580, invaders from Sudan controlled parts of Egypt and continued north to capture Constantinople in 1580. One of the motivations for Beninian and European explorations across the Atlantic was the constant warfare between the Ethiopia, Sudan and other powers in the region, none of whom were sympathetic to European aims.

In 1599 the Sudanese lost Constantinople to the Ethiopians. Ethiopia controlled Egypt east of the Nile, and Sudan controlled land west of the Nile. But this too was subject to change. Ethiopia kept its hold on the Mideast, and Sudan held onto much of North Africa for the next century.

In London, the Popes hadn't actually embraced Celtic Christianity, but had altered Catholic doctrines to incorporate many of its features. The Catholic Church underwent a Reformation, and thus avoided a Protestant Reformation. The British began to establish colonies in the Western Atlantic, but settlement was slower, due to a much smaller slave trade. Trade was the main factor, and the Europeans who did make it to the New World settle in tiny city-states, and their Latin-derived languages blended with the local languages.

During this period, Polynesian-Jomons followed the western coast of South America around the tip, and up the eastern coast. Eventually one of their sailing ships landed in Africa in 1598.

In this timeline, there isn't any one watershed moment similar to Columbus' discovery of America. Explorations across the Atlantic were more widely reported and known in Europe. There was a constant, though slow, succession of ships exploring the Atlantic. First the Celts, then the Vikings, Africans, Basques, English, all these receive equal credit for exploring various parts of the New World. The Indonesians/Japanese are an afterthought. In popular culture, their contributions similar to the Vikings of OTL.

The hot air balloon was developed by Beninians in Tetzico by a group led by Agehatina of Dan'issand. Balloons are used in many celebrations and festivals. He established a university on the coast at the city of Denrisnys.

Once the European and Indian populations built up an immunity to smallpox and other plagues, the cultures began to merge. Some Europeans came into contact with the Mississippian kingdom. The kingdom collapsed because of disease, but some cultural elements survived and the newly merged populations built up a new Mississippian kingdom.

The city of Penrith was established at the location of OTL New York City. A popular general took power over Penrith. His name was Yoseppu Swordfingers. He was of Dutch, Danish, Iroquois and Athabascan ancestry.
He was similar to Alexander the Great. Reacting to pressure from the Europeans, he unified the various city-states along the coast. It came into conflict with the Mississippian kingdom, eventually absorbing it and taking its name. His capital city was built on the Mississippi River north of OTL New Orleans, and was named called Seig. The royal palace was actually a series of large houseboats floating on the river. It had been designed to minimize damage from hurricanes.

Several buffer states formed between the Indian-dominated Ashildu kingdom, the Beninian-dominated Tetzico kingdom and the European-dominated Mississippian kingdom. The buffer states were eventually absorbed by one or another of the main powers on the continent. The kingdoms formed cultural and trade alliances.

The Bantu and KwaZulu were also an influence on the Inca kingdom, which was being altered and involved with the other kingdoms.

By 1900, the Ukranian Empire was reaching China. Border skirmishes between the Ukranians and the Chinese were frequent.

Many new ethnic groups were formed from mixtures of Europeans, Arabs, Turks, Ethiopians and various North African groups who hadn't mixed so much in OTL.

An Ethiopian-Turkish group dominates OTL Turkey; an Arab-Ethiopian group dominates the Middle East. The Arabs dominate the Arabian Peninsula, but there are many immigrants from Ethiopia and E. Africa who have intermarried. Egypt is controlled by kings of another ATL ethnic group with origins among the Berbers.

In 1808 a Ukrainian admiral took a fleet to Japan to open trade relations. The Japanese refused, so the admiral went in search of allies. He found the Okinawans and saw that they could infiltrate Japan as spies. He didn't want to have to sail all the way back to his home port, so he made extravagant promises to the Okinawans, who agreed to help take control of Japan.

In 1970 the Kingdom of Ashildu and the Kingdom of Mississippi were merged with a series of royal marriages and the capital city was moved to the city of Seig. By this time, the Inca Empire covered half of South America. Tetzico covered all of OTL Mexico and Central America except for Panama. The Ashildu Kingdom had already built a canal at the location of OTL Panama. Tetzico and the Inca Empire were threatening to take control of it.

War looms on the horizon.

Europe is mainly Catharite-African, with many new ethnic groups combining European and African features.

The Mideast is Arab-Ethiopian, with a form of Islamic-Eastern Orthodox religion, with variants ranging from pure Islamic to pure Syrian Orthodox.

Africa has Islam with Coptic Christian or native cultures, four main kingdoms. Ethiopia, KwaZulu, Benin and Mali.
Sudan is a minor power.

North America has Native and Celtic Christian features with many small citystates and native tribal kingdoms.
Central America is dominated by the Tetzico Kingdom, native American with African features.

South America is dominated by two kingdoms, a Beninian-derived Brazil and a Kwa-Zulu post Inca kingdom, both with Inca-influenced African religions.

Algonquin Confederacy
Eastern Canada
Neopagan Oligarchy
Civil Rights: Limited Economy: Reasonable Political Freedoms: Few Safety of foreigners: Good
Ethnic origins:
Inuit, other Native American, Denmark, Sweden, Britain
This state developed from a company similar to Hudson's Bay Company, dominated by Danes and Swedes, later taken over by British. Later, Europeanized Natives began to have more influence and finally had a hand in the founding of the modern nation.

United Kingdom of Ashildu and Mississippi
Central North America
Constitutional monarchy
Civil Rights: Good Economy: Reasonable Political Freedoms: Some Safety of foreigners: Good
Ethnic origins:
All groups represented
A vast and powerful kingdom with a long and complex history and culture, a modern tourist mecca and source of much popular culture worldwide.

Republic of Tetzico
Mexico, Central America
Quaker republic
Civil Rights: Excellent Economy: Excellent Political Freedoms: Excellent Safety of foreigners: Excellent
Ethnic origins:
Aztec, Inca, Benin, Mali, Zulu
Originally founded by Islamic Africans from Benin who overthrew the Aztecs. Europeans fleeing African invasions settled in France, where a group very similar to OTL Quakers was founded. The Quakers were persecuted, and fled to Mexico, where they grew very influential and eventually took over.

Empire of the Inca
Western S. America
Socialist monarchy
Civil Rights: Good Economy: Reasonable Political Freedoms: None Safety of foreigners: Good
Ethnic origins:
Inca, Benin, Bantu, other Native American
Beninian explorers brought back potatos and other produce from the Inca empire, and African-Europeans came to the Inca empire to help impose modern versions of socialism and impose modern African and European ideas, producing a combined Incan-African society.

Ton Makaron Nesoi
Cuba and surrounding islands
Traditional Native Pagan Oligarchy
Civil Rights: Few Economy: Thriving Political Freedoms: Few Safety of foreigners: Excellent
Ethnic origins:
All groups represented.
Originally, each island had its own slave plantation, controlled by one or another European, African or native strongman, each with its own variant of religion. The national leader known only as Dymek the Crow was born in 1820, and created a syncretic religion which he used to unify the islands into a strong and stable kingdom with a written constitution, stable rules of succession, a list of rights for all citizens, which was eventually expanded. The list of rights isn't extensive, but it is respected, and there are ways people can improve their situation. Slavery was outlawed in 1900, and the kingdom has become popular with tourists.

Kingdom of Ngashiamor
E. half of S. America
Conservative kingdom
Civil Rights: Limited Economy: Limited Political Freedoms: None Safety of foreigners: Fair
Ethnic origins:
Inca, Benin, Bantu, African-Spanish, Morocco
Aza'm of the Purple Bloodring was the reputed founder of this kingdom in 1702, though evidence for his existence is in doubt. The origin of the name, Ngashiamor, is also disputed. The kingdom began as many small plantations which were united in a series of marriages, alliances and wars. This culminated in the domination of the Untushiard clan, which established the present-day kingdom in the mid eighteenth century.

Kingdom of Hiangwar
Alaska
Daoist kingdom
Civil Rights: Very Good Economy: Reasonable Political Freedoms: Some Safety of foreigners: Good
Ethnic origins:
India, Yayoi, Aleut
This region was just a series of villages along the coastline until around 1900, when oil was discovered by a wealthy entrepreneur, Thamil Ko Oris, of India. He knew a good thing when he saw it, and wanted to ensure that outsiders wouldn't come in to exploit it all. So he used his connections to establish a Daoist kingdom with a written constitution and strong protections for its citizens. It's really a very liberal oligarchy, but with strong legal protections against outsiders. One of its first acts was a series of mutual defense treaties with the Algonquin confederacy and the kingdom of Yakima.

Kingdom of Khalidat
Hawaii
Jain kingdom
Civil Rights: Very Good Economy: Reasonable Political Freedoms: Some Safety of foreigners: Excellent
Ethnic origins:
Hawaii, India, Siam, Jomon, Indonesia
Thamil Ko Oris, who founded the modern kingdom in Alaska, was also influential in making Hawaii a modern, Jain kingdom with considerable input from the natives. He liked Dao and Jain equally, but Jain vegetarianism wouldn't work very well in Alaska. He wanted to establish republics with other religious affiliations in other parts of the world but didn't get the opportunity.

Animist Democracy of Helgoland
Nova Scotia, Labrador, Newfoundland
Animist democracy
Civil Rights: Limited Economy: Fair Political Freedoms: Limited Safety of foreigners: Excellent
Ethnic origins:
Native American, Northern Europe, Basques
They were too stubbornly independent to be incorporated into other countries, and didn't have enough resources to fight for. They are now a tourist trap and place for offshore banking.

Kingdom of Yakima
Western Canadian coast, Vancouver
Traditional native pagan kingdom
Civil Rights: Good Economy: Stagnant Political Freedoms: Few Safety of foreigners: Fair
Ethnic origins:
Native American, Yayoi, India
Like Helgoland, didn't want to be taken over by other countries, now a center for movies, offshore banking, and tourists.

Republic of Geysir
Iceland
Democracy
Civil Rights: Excellent Economy: Excellent Political Freedoms: Excellent Safety of foreigners: Excellent
Ethnic origins:
Northern Europe, Inuit
The oldest democracy, ruled by the Icelandic Althing.

Republic of Sverge
All of Scandinavia
Christian republic
Civil Rights: Very Good Economy: Reasonable Political Freedoms: Extensive Safety of foreigners: Excellent
Ethnic origins:
Northern Europe
Founded by a treaty similar to the Union of Kalmar, but didn't try to expand eastward.

Kingdom of England
England, Wales, Scotland, all of Ireland
Conservative monarchy
Civil Rights: Good Economy: Thriving Political Freedoms: Some Safety of foreigners: Good
Ethnic origins:
All groups represented
Ye Olde Merrie England, with a popular royal family and lots of history and popular culture for everybody to steal ideas from.

Kingdom of Tenebrosum
Spain
Socialist dictatorship
Civil Rights: Poor Economy: Stagnant Political Freedoms: None Safety of foreigners: Poor
Ethnic origins:
Spain, Basques, Benin, Mali, Incas
Not as successful as OTL Spain, it devolved into a petty dictatorship. There is a Habsburg king on the throne, who nobody listens to. It's really ruled by a military junta. The royal family is trying to make the country an imitation of England, but it isn't working. The name was changed in 1902 to avoid paying government debts. Nobody was fooled but the debtors gave up on collecting long ago.

Policeocracy of Irianda
Italy
Capitalist police state
Civil Rights: Few Economy: Fair Political Freedoms: None Safety of foreigners: Excellent
Ethnic origins:
Europe, African
The merger of European and African cultures didn't go well, it never was a democracy, but reforms and compromises were eventually made, which makes living or visiting here tolerable at least. At first a destination for the wealthiest tourists, it's now a good destination for less wealthy tourists. This country is also called a gradocracy one in which everyone, citizens and government officials alike, are constantly graded on their performance. The only real difference it makes is that corruption is exposed more frequently. Tourists are not graded, and are treated well, since they spend money, the more the better.

Feminarchy of Mugharrirun
Eastern Europe
Nationalist monarchy
Civil Rights: Fair Economy: Fair Political Freedoms: Few Safety of foreigners: Fair
Ethnic origins:
Northern and Eastern Europe, Sudan, Ethiopia, Morocco
The ruling dynasty came to power in 1908. The rulers wanted to appeal to socialists and others protesting discrimination against women and minorities, so they called the country a feminarchy, to suggest rule by women or effeminate men. The king is called a gymnarch, from gymnarchy, rule by naked people, to suggest he has nothing to hide. It doesn't fool anybody. But, this kingdom is no worse than some.

Hoplarchy of Voivoidia
Balkans
Parliamentary military junta
Civil Rights: None Economy: Fair Political Freedoms: Fair Safety of foreigners: Fair
Ethnic origins:
Africa, Europe
This merger of Africans and Europeans was only partially successful. A good place to live for the wealthiest and the rulers, tolerable for the peasants who don't make trouble. It's ruled by a parliament whose members are all officers in the military, selected by the generals. The generals decide among themselves which of them will serve as Prime Minister. A hoplarchy refers to rule by the military. At least they're honest.

Ethnarchy of Hanguzdo
Central Europe
Confederation
Civil Rights: Good Economy: Good Political Freedoms: Few Safety of foreigners: Excellent
Ethnic origins:
Northern Europe
Similar to Switzerland. They will sell their high-quality, expensive items for wealthy patrons around the world, regardless of ethnicity, but the country itself is closed to all but the wealthiest foreigners, hence the "Excellent" rating for those few who do visit. They have resorts, expensive hotels and spas.

Empire of Ukraine
OTL Russian empire
Imperialist empire
Civil Rights: Limited Economy: Fair Political Freedoms: Some Safety of foreigners: Good
Ethnic origins:
All groups represented
More colorful, vibrant, and less paranoid than OTL Russia/Soviet Union.

Heroarchy of Peloponessus
Greece
Greek Orthodox kingdom
Civil Rights: Good Economy: Reasonable Political Freedoms: Few Safety of foreigners: Good
Ethnic origins:
Greece, Africa, Arabs
A lot like OTL Greece. Heroarchy is government by heroes. The parliament is elected, but selects ministers and certain members for additional powers, based on their reputation for heroism.

Jaza'iral
Turkey
Islamic republic
Civil Rights: Limited Economy: Fair Political Freedoms: Limited Safety of foreigners: Poor
Ethnic origins:
Africa, Eastern Europe, Turks
The elections are free and fair, but the candidates all belong to the same political party.

Republic of Hasmodea
Caucasus Mountains
Jewish republic
Civil Rights: Good Economy: Stagnant Political Freedoms: Few Safety of foreigners: Good
Ethnic origins:
Jews, Caucasus mountains
This isn't a "return of Israel" like OTL Zionists want. This just evolved by accident over the years. Nobody else wanted to try to invade, so those who came here stayed, and nobody bothered them. The Finnish/Ukrainians avoided the region. It was named after the ancient dynasty, and tries to re-establish some, not all, of the ancient traditions, but also tries to modernize.

Unificatum of Azotus
E. coast of the Mediterranean
Islamic kingdom
Civil Rights: Fair Economy: Thriving Political Freedoms: Some Safety of foreigners: Good
Ethnic origins:
Jews, Europe, Arabs, Ethiopia
Good for tourists, banking, collectibles, gambling.

Kingdom of Qurnah
Persian Gulf west to Azotus
Zoroastrian capitalist police state
Civil Rights: Good Economy: Reasonable Political Freedoms: None Safety of foreigners: Excellent
Ethnic origins:
Arabs, Persia
In the early twentieth century, a power vacuum occured and a general who followed Zoroastrianism jumped at the chance to grab political power, and took it. It's a benign oligarchy getting rich on oil.

Kingdom of Euphratia
Persian Gulf east to the Pamir Mountains
Islamic Oligarchy
Civil Rights: Fair Economy: Fair Political Freedoms: None Safety of foreigners: Fair
Ethnic origins:
Arabs, Persia
Similar to Qurnah, but without the Zoroastrians. The name is a modern invention. The oligarchs are trying to modernize.

Kingdom of Arabia
Traditional Islamic kingdom
Arabian peninsula
Civil Rights: Few Economy: Excellent Political Freedoms: Few Safety of foreigners: Excellent
Arabs, Persia, East Africa
Very wealthy from oil and tourism.

Kingdom of Benin
Traditional kingdom
West Africa
Civil Rights: Few Economy: Limited Political Freedoms: None Safety of foreigners: Poor
Ethnic origins:
Benin
This hasn't been as successful in modern times as the Beninian nations overseas.

Kingdom of Uqiyanus
East Africa
Fascism
Civil Rights: None Economy: Stagnant Political Freedoms: None Safety of foreigners: Poor
Ethnic origins:
East Africa, KwaZulu, Bantu, Ethiopia
Economic troubles led to the establishment of a dictatorship and civil wars.

Kingdom of Bantu
Socialist kingdom
Central Africa
Civil Rights: Few Economy: Thriving Political Freedoms: None Safety of foreigners: Fair
Ethnic origins:
Bantu, KwaZulu
This has made the transition to modern times better than most.

Technocracy of KwaZulu
Southern Africa
Technocracy
Civil Rights: Very Good Economy: Excellent Political Freedoms: Excellent Safety of foreigners: Excellent
Ethnic origins:
Bantu, KwaZulu
This is modernizing very well, rapidly becoming wealthy from modern technology, oil, minerals and tourism.

Paedarchy of Harendra
Northern India
Buddhist republic
Civil Rights: Very Good Economy: Reasonable Political Freedoms: Few Safety of foreigners: Excellent
Ethnic origins:
India, China, Japan
This is a republic in name only. Several autonomous regions, all oligarchies, cooperatie to prevent outside invasions. Paedarchy is rule by children, believed to be reincarnations of various revered individuals. They don't actually make the decisions. They are selected from all classes and ethnic groups, and educated in the Pedantic College in the capital city of Qandahar, and they do become well-educated in government, economics and administration. Their ideas are listened to, they engage in role-play exercises to train them for various government positions after they graduate. But the real power remains in the hands of the wealthy, most of whom had been students at the College.

Kritarchy of Gannadda
Southern India
Jain republic
Civil Rights: Excellent Economy: Excellent Political Freedoms: Fair Safety of foreigners: Excellent
Ethnic origins:
India
Similar to Harendra, they united to prevent outside interference. A Kritarchy is rule by judges.

Supreme Unified Supreme Electorate of the Supreme Councils of the Supreme Isocracy of Duhare
Indonesia
Communist dictatorship
Civil Rights: Poor Economy: Stagnant Political Freedoms: None Safety of foreigners: Poor
Ethnic origins:
All groups represented.
Isocracy refers to equal political power. Every year the government changes its official name, only keeping "Duhare". They also change their policies, rules, laws, etc. The only people who benefit are trial lawyers, but even they are getting tired of the overwork. Look for a revolt of the lawyers soon. The lawyers will assassinate the government officials and judges and take over with a new constitution.

Hetaerocracy of Luzon
Philippines
Corporate police state
Civil Rights: None Economy: Thriving Political Freedoms: None Safety of foreigners: Excellent
Ethnic origins:
All groups.
In the nineteenth century, entrepreneurs from Okinawa, influenced by the Ukrainians, established a colony which became very profitable. The corporation, the Great Eastern Way, now dominates everything in the Philippines.
It's a good place for tourists, especially wealthy ones, and barely tolerable for those natives who don't make trouble for those in power. Hetaerocracy is rule by paramours, the wives and mistresses of the corporate executives. They actually do have some influence, but the term was chosen to disguise the extreme power the corporate executives have over the country.

Mobocracy of Qalhan
Maldives
Satanic republic
Civil Rights: Fair Economy: Fair Political Freedoms: Fair Safety of foreigners: Fair
Ethnic origins:
Europe, Native Islanders
Established by political dissidents from Europe in the nineteenth century, visitors have to be very careful not to get caught in the trickery, deceit and pranks so loved by the Europeans here. The native islanders give only lip service to the official doctrines of the republic, preferring their own traditional ideas. Mobocracy is rule by mobs.

Kingdom of Kavinyan
SE Asia
Hindu kingdom
Civil Rights: Fair Economy: Fair Political Freedoms: Fair Safety of foreigners: Good
Ethnic origins:
India, Japan, China, Viet
Similar to Vietnam, it mostly gets income from tourists and publishing.

Hamarchy of Uluru
Australia
Confederation
Civil Rights: Good Economy: Fair Political Freedoms: Fair Safety of foreigners: Excellent
Ethnic origins:
All
The continent was only unified in 1900, under a very loose confederation. A Hamarchy is a cooperative body of parts. "Confederation" seemed like such an overused word they wanted to call it something different.
 
Hey, you guys, what's going on here? You respond to my other posts, but not to my timelines?! What gives? Are my timelines so unspeakably preposterous they leave you speechless with horror? Or what? Please, I'd like to know?! I'm sorry if my ideas are so insanely implausible, but...okay, I'll stop ranting now.:)
 
I think its fairly implausible, you have a lot of long distance movements across the sea and many of those don't seem all that likely, and you seem to ignore the massive effects of old world diseases on Native Americans.
 

Philip

Donor
Too much the Old World's history follows OTL. For example, a major battle at Manzikert in 1071 involving the Byzantines seems rather unlikely given the early date of POD. The very existence of the Byzantines is questionable.
 
Thank your for replying.

Well, I've read there was pottery found in Chile which resembled Jomon pottery.

Some group apparently sailed all the way from Southeast Asia to Easter Island-- not all in one step of course, but it didn't seem like much of a stretch for Polynesians to settle in South America.

I fell into a habit which I've noticed others consistently doing. Timelines tend to stop at the current year, of whenever the timeline is being written. And AH stories often tend to be set in the year the story was written. So maybe I should have a longer period between some of the events, so maybe the timeline ends in 2400 AD.

I have Hawaii and New Zealand being settled at roughly the same time as OTL, I think.

I included details I've read about on this board, like sailors from Mali sighting Brazil.

Would people from Benin be called Beninians or something else?

In reply to Philip, okay, maybe the butterfly effect would reach farther than I thought. Manzikert seemed like a plausible place for a battle. I'm willing to edit all this.


Thanks.
 
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The Jomon claims aren't very realistic. Most of the time people just want to ay " Oh these natives could nevre do this!" and then say Aliens/old Worlders did it. I tihnk that increasing the time scale and having more butterflys (Like phillip said) would make this more plausible. The timescale for you have for polynesia looks okay, but the American one could be longer.
 
There is an image somewhere that shows the genetic traits of the first americans - they did come from Mongolians, East Asians, and Polynesians.
 
Okay, here's my revised timeline. I deleted a lot which I didn't change. I summarized some.

. EAST ASIANS COLONIZE THE AMERICAS

In the centuries following 3000 B.C., various groups in India, China and Japan, for various reasons, followed the coast of Asia north and east, and discovered Alaska.

Eventually, some settlements on the eastern side of the Bering Straits managed to survive.

By 1000 BC, their descendants, making their living off the sea, followed the coast southward and settled W. Canada and California.

Starting around 500 BC, in Asia, some Hindu and Buddhist monks and pilgrims, traveling eastward, settled Indonesia.

Around 400 BC, an Indonesian ship blew off course in a storm and landed on the coast of Australia. The stories he told, the strange, leathery egg (a platypus egg) and the exotic creature he brought back (an echidna) induces others to search for the same land. Trade between Indonesia and Australia proceeds.

Around 300 BC, in Japan, members of the Yayoi and Jomon groups fled Korean invasions.

The Yayoi mostly emigrated north and east by boat, and wound up in Siberia or in the Aleutians. They and their descendants followed the coastlines southward, eventually reaching Vancouver Island by 400 AD.

The Jomon mostly fled south to Okinawa, and their descendants settled in the Philippines and Polynesia by 400 AD.

During this period, new philosophies began to emerge in Indonesia, where individual islands began to be dominated by merchant-chieftains. Roughly equal in power, none of them could expand their territories. As their power and wealth grew, literacy flourished and many new schools and variants of local religions developed. Rivalries often turned to warfare, and when local warlords tried to discredit their attackers, schools of scepticism arose.

This led to a form of the Scientific Method. But it was only applied to things with military applications. This included weapons, but was later expanded to include seagoing vessels of all kinds. Sailing, weapons and related technologies became a little more advanced. This was sufficient for the Indonesians to speed up settlement of Australia and surrounding islands, and later the Pacific.

By 100 AD, Jomon and Indonesian populations began to blend with the populations of Melanesia and Polynesia. The populations grew and expanded, and cultures became subtly more complex.

Indonesians brought many new crops to Australia and began exploiting the minerals and spices. Agriculture increased, populations grew and political states formed. Aborigines began sailing to nearby islands.

Around 300 AD, the North Island of New Zealand was colonized by a clan of Aborigine-Jomon ancestry, and the South Island was colonized by a clan of Indonesian-Aborigine ancestry. Moas were found, but one of them killed a prince, and a king decided it was a bad omen, and killing a wild moa was deemed taboo. Sometimes eggs were captured and the young raised for food, but moas could not be domesticated. Later kings attempted to build zoos for the odd wildlife of New Zealand and Australia.

Around 1100 AD, Jomon and Indonesian sailors were settling in South America, bringing with them ironworking, crop seeds and other useful knowledge. Here, too, populations grew and cultures became more complex.

Around 1200 AD, time, gold was discovered in California and a kingdom was established there. It was called the Kingdom of the Ashildu, and Ashildu became both the title of the king and the name of the firstborn heir.

Asians and Native Americans noticed that the swastika was an important symbol for both groups, and its importance increased. Variations were soon used to represent various levels of nobility in the California kingdom.

These variations eventually represented different divisions of society–Rulers, Scribes, Soldiers and Farmers. The Asian languages blended with the native Indian languages to form several new languages, and many new words and proper names were formed.

The Ashildu culture expanded and absorbed the population of the Anasazi culture, which was dying out because of drought. The Ashildus developed irrigation techniques which helped their culture survive.

Around 1300 AD, a city was built at the site of OTL San Diego. It was named Heil, and was for a while the capital of the Ashildu kingdom.

Meanwhile in Europe, around 700 AD, Celtic pilgrims and exiles discovered Iceland and settled there.

Around 800 AD, New Zealand was invaded by sailors from the Philippines, who were descended from Jomon settlers. Hawaii was settled at about the same time by Jomon-Polynesians.

In the eleventh century, the armies of the Eastern Orthodox Empire
fought a major battle. If they had lost, the armies of the Sultan would have controlled Anatolia for centuries afterward. But in this timeline, the Orthodox Empire won the battle and held onto Anatolia longer.

But bad luck prevailed anyway. A ship was able to go further eastward and land at a Black Sea port which would have been unavailable if the battle had been lost. Here the crew picked up a plague which they took back to Constantinople. The plague spread through the Mideast and Europe, killing over half of the population. By the time the plague reached Scandinavia in 1100, the virus mutated and the plague ended.

During after this period, 1150-1270, invaders from the Atlas Mountains regions settled in Spain; invaders from the rest of North Africa settled in the Mediterranean islands and Italy; invaders from Ethiopia settled in Egypt and the Mideast. The Ghana Empire, which was closer to Sudan than OTL present-day Ghana, was able to survive and expand into Egypt, constantly fighting with Ethiopia over control of the Nile.

The Byzantine empire broke up into competing kingdoms.

Russia, Kiev and Novgorod became nonentities.

The Suomi began to expand eastward, taking over the territories of OTL Russia.

The shah of Khwarazm did not offend the Mongols, who did not invade Europe.

The Mongols took over China and successfully invaded Japan.

Peoples of central Asia, fleeing the Mongols, fled southward to Africa, where trade increased. The people of Zimbabwe learned about gunpowder, though the kingdom broke up due to other factors. New, strong kingdoms formed.

The slave trade continued, but the Africans were in a stronger position.

The Pope had settled in London permanently.

In 1390, sailors from the kingdom of Mali sailed west far enough to see Brazil, and the king of Mali encouraged further expeditions.

In 1408, in Scandinavia, an agreement similar to the Union of Kalmar was made. Scandinavia concentrates on the North Sea and Vinland rather than invading Finland, which is increasing in strength.

The settlers in Greenland were willing to take advice from the natives and eat what the natives eat, so they survived. The settlements in Vinland expanded southward.

Late in the fifteenth century, Africans invaded central Europe just as Europeans were beginning to form new, stable kingdoms. Many Europeans fled the resulting wars to the Alps and the Carpathian mountains.

The kingdom of Benin had expanded northward, and Africans had a strong influence in the new Iberian kingdom which had been established. The rulers of the Iberian kingdom were aware of the Malian sailors' tales of Brazil, and sponsored an expedition across the sea in 1520.

The rulers of Benin also sponsored expeditions around this time. Contact with the Aztecs in 1544 resulted in a war which overthrew the Aztecs and established the Tetzico Kingdom, influenced by Beninian civilization. They contacted the Inca Kingdom in 1574.

Constant warfare between these two and other powers in the region made travel overland difficult, and was one motivation for finding alternate routes to the west. The vast wealth of the Aztecs and Incas was another motive.

The Catholic Church underwent a Reformation, and thus avoided a Protestant Reformation.

Later, the British began to establish colonies in the Western Atlantic, but settlement was slower, due to a much smaller slave trade. Plantation workers were paid more. The Europeans who did make it to the New World settled in tiny city-states, and their Latin-derived languages blended with the local languages.

During this period, Polynesian-Jomons followed the western coast of South America around the tip, and up the eastern coast. Eventually one of their sailing ships landed in Africa in 1721.

In this timeline, there isn't any one watershed moment similar to Columbus' discovery of America. Explorations across the Atlantic were more widely reported and known in Europe. There was a constant, though slow, succession of ships exploring the Atlantic. First the Celts, then the Vikings, Africans, Basques, English, all these receive equal credit for exploring various parts of the New World. The Indonesians/Japanese are an afterthought. In popular culture, their contributions similar to the Vikings of OTL.

Once the European and Indian populations built up an immunity to smallpox and other plagues, the cultures began to merge. Some Europeans came into contact with the Mississippian kingdom. The kingdom collapsed because of disease, but some cultural elements survived and the newly merged populations built up a new Mississippian kingdom.

In 1898 the city of Penrith was established at the location of OTL New York City. A popular general took power over Penrith. His name was Yoseppu Swordfingers. He was of Dutch, Danish, Iroquois and Athabascan ancestry.
He was similar to Alexander the Great. Reacting to pressure from the Europeans, he unified the various city-states along the coast. It came into conflict with the Mississippian kingdom, eventually absorbing it and taking its name. His capital city was built on the Mississippi River north of OTL New Orleans, and was named called Seig. The royal palace was actually a series of large houseboats floating on the river. It had been designed to minimize damage from hurricanes.

Several buffer states formed between the Indian-dominated Ashildu kingdom, the Beninian-dominated Tetzico kingdom and the European-dominated Mississippian kingdom. The buffer states were eventually absorbed by one or another of the main powers on the continent. The kingdoms formed cultural and trade alliances.

The Bantu and KwaZulu were also an influence on the Inca kingdom, which was being altered and involved with the other kingdoms.

Many new ethnic groups were formed from mixtures of Europeans, Arabs, Turks, Ethiopians and various North African groups who hadn't mixed so much in OTL.

An Ethiopian-Turkish group dominates OTL Turkey; an Arab-Ethiopian group dominates the Middle East. The Arabs dominate the Arabian Peninsula, but there are many immigrants from Ethiopia and E. Africa who have intermarried. Egypt is controlled by kings of another ATL ethnic group with origins among the Berbers.

In 1908 a Ukrainian admiral took a fleet to Japan to open trade relations. The Japanese refused, so the admiral went in search of allies. He found the Okinawans and saw that they could infiltrate Japan as spies. He didn't want to have to sail all the way back to his home port, so he made extravagant promises to the Okinawans, who agreed to help take control of Japan.

In 2070 the Kingdom of Ashildu and the Kingdom of Mississippi were merged with a series of royal marriages and the capital city was moved to the city of Seig. By this time, the Inca Empire covered half of South America. Tetzico covered all of OTL Mexico and Central America except for Panama. The Ashildu Kingdom had already built a canal at the location of OTL Panama. Tetzico and the Inca Empire were threatening to take control of it.

War looms on the horizon.
 
I'd like to change this:


Around 1100 AD, Jomon and Indonesian sailors were settling in South America, bringing with them ironworking, crop seeds and other useful knowledge. Here, too, populations grew and cultures became more complex.

Around 1200 AD, time, gold was discovered in California and a kingdom was established there. It was called the Kingdom of the Ashildu, and Ashildu became both the title of the king and the name of the firstborn heir.


Jomons fleeing southward and encountering Polynesians, starts around 1000-500 BC instead. That's approximate, subject to change. :)
 
dear firend

1.the main problem in your topic is that, you have changed 1000s of years of human history without a solid historical base, the same mistake i made in my earlier posts which i made with hypersctive imagination,with little understanding of how AH works.

2.you simply take one event as a POd and decide how they will affect a course of events in history with proofs and various other point also giving suitable answers when other members ask question.

3.you went to and want to weave so many threads not connected to each other but in the end process did not give any likeable fabric.

4,i also wrote a topic on asians conquering americas, but mostlt in AH circles this is not liked as all have still the colonial hangover,they dont like any asian dominance of world history in general, as asian history is seen from the way westerners pictured it.

5.in mycase everyone in india know that india and hinduism are interwined together so india's rise and fall lies only in the understanding and misunderstanding of hinduism and its imapct on indian history, if anyone uses the word hindu in AH circles he is generally branded a right wing nationalist of india and many other misconceptions about india and hinduism lies unattended.

6.in may timeline on hindu america, i have created a strong maritime empire in south india and it overtakes indian ocean trade for centuries.
in this timeline there is no islam and middle east is ruled by zorastrians or nestorians and they and india accept unofficially the hindukush as border of india, so india is free from morth west invasions and also trades well in persia and central asia, also they built trading posts in egypt,which is christian and may be under byzanite empire,so there is direct trade link between india and europe, so the european adventure into americas is delayed for 50-100years.

meanwhile south indians, tamils and malabaris become like portugese and spain of OTL and expand all over indian ocean littoral,with colonies in south arabia, east africa,south africa and madagaskar,indonesia are hinduised and indianised i centuries,

later in time these colonioes become independent of india and even develop into empires, like madagaskar and great zimbawae(of course indian) dominate western indian ocean ,
and hindu mahajabit empire unites all of islands in southeast asia and also colonises australia and newzealand,and pacific islands.some of these pacific islanders reach south america and have built a sea traffic across pacific in 1400s itself, also some dynamic indian merchanta in their attempt to see what lies beyond cape, also dicover south west africa and also instead of going north sail across atlantic and reach the south america in the place known in OTL as uruguay argentina border.

but in 1400s to 1600s india is to be ruled by a land based empire with agreat army but with no navy, so europeans take over all sea trade in those centuries.

the mayans and aztecs and incas become hindus in the 15 th century itself but they are disconnected with any outside hindu lands.

see this link

http://www.hinduwisdom.info/Pacific.htm

also by mid 1650s india is again ruled by a outher indian empire with seafaring capacity, also faces menacing europeans who completly dominate indian ocean trade and this indian empire first closes the indian ocean by taking over the red sea , cape and indonesia by 1790s and also begins settling in australia and africa in huge numbers then using these as a spring board move to americas and by 1900s indian settlement is all over americas.

so by 1900, britain has all of eatern USA and canada plus west indies and brazil and huge chunk in west africa, congo in addition to egypt and greece(ie it dominates mediterranian sea), india brings california and argentina undrr its rule.
mexico,peru etc stay independent as hindu nations with large indian population supporting them militrarilily.
the centarl america and are hottily contested by various european powers and there is also an earlier scramble for africa, but east africa is firmly under india's control.

japan and china are closed to outside world for centuries, and but indians trade with cinese in 19th century and chinese also spread along with indian traders all over the world.

industrial revolution also comes in britain on time, but india and britain become equal trading partners after half a century of bitter wars.

russian empire never falls in this timeline, but becomes more aggressive in early 20the century and the russian czar tries hard to become the czar of entire humanity.

the british north america is rich along with brazil and they get dominion status very earlier and they usually play the big brother role to the poor to moderately rich hindu nations of american continents.

india becomes weak by 1920s and becomes a republic and all nations under indian empire in indian ocean vicinity become independent also.

in this timeline also a great world war comes
with allies being british atlantic empire, russian empire and india, and
axis being the germany,italy,zorastrian turkey and chinese empire.

the allies win after a couple of atom bombs dropped in,

but a new cold war, a three way cold war starts with russian empire,india and british commonwealth with all nations bringinig allegiance to one of the three sides.
 
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