American Wild West if there was no America revolt

Beedok,
it's tough to say. OTL, no revolutionaries really had a desire to move. they wanted their home town to be what they wanted. OTL, they got it, but if the POD is a soft landing of no reason to revolt, I don't think you're getting Sam Adams to move his brewery :) out to the midwest.
 
When would the Proclamation Line be recognized as of no effect? My guess by is somewhere around 1800. Of course if the potato famine occurs as IOTL, the <
Flood of Irish refugees happens, perhaps post 1848
 
Yes but there would European style of armies in each section of North and South America, this setting has to deal with 19th Century American Westerns setting.


LW

Define "European style". There were plenty of European style armies in the Americas OTL--the Chileans were trained by Prussians, for instance, and both the USA and CSA in the Civil War was deeply inspired by Napoleonic warfare. But for the "19th century American Western" setting, those sorts of armies are difficult to work in the wide-open endless plains where mobility is king, so the organisation would be closer to the historic US Army in the West, although a bit bigger perhaps and with more infantry/artillery support not needed as much OTL in the Indian Wars. I could imagine a campaign on the Great Plains in a major war would be effectively like Operation Barbarossa, and the earlier you get in history, the harder it's gonna be--they didn't call it the "Great American Desert" for nothing.

The Rockies and Great Basin are a bit different, of course, but the same principle applies. Actually, for the defender, it's even better, since the settlements are very sparse and spread out, with ample terrain for ambushes on supply lines and such. For California, it's easier because the land is better, but California still has tons of rough spots and many chokepoints (all those mountain passes) for easy ambushes and strategic battle sites. Trench warfare (either the late Civil War style or WWI) would be highly effective. You also would have to get supplies to California, so a naval war is essential for resupply unless you want to send it from Northern Mexico across very harsh deserts. The Apache live in that region as well, I might mention. The Yaqui people also live there, and they were among the last native groups subdued OTL.

So pick your firearms accordingly. Preferably you want light and mobile forces, and probably mountain infantry as well. California is the only exception.
 
That's if there was a Napoleonic War in this setting, if great Royal houses still rule in Europe if was no revolt in France as well as in North America.


LW
 
That's if there was a Napoleonic War in this setting, if great Royal houses still rule in Europe if was no revolt in France as well as in North America.


LW

You're still getting "European style" armies, just trained to different tactics which will still be evolving even without the experience of the Napoleonic Wars. The same figures of the Napoleonic Wars could still be involved to some degree or another in innovating this.
 
Well the American Dragoons were an European style armed force until the Mexican War, so they get European style armed forces in the West.


LW
 

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But there are too many variables to truly account for the fates here. Can Spain reverse its weakness and colonise the Mexican North? Can they find the gold in Colorado or California and prompt another wave of settlement and possibly a buffer colony as New Mexico was to Northern Mexico? And that's just regarding colonial policy--what goes on in Europe?
The Spanish were already doing so before the Mexican revolution kicked off. Massive economic expansion, massive increase in settlement and a steady increase in population all throughout the colonies. Furthermore, the Comanche weren't a threat at this time because the Spanish appeased them through subsidies, thus allowing for Spanish (or really, Mexican settlement) settlement to begin en masse just before the revolution.

With several more decades of steady growth and colonization, I see no reason for the trope of Anglo settlers spamming El Norte to stay the same.
 
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