American war of independence- no help from European powers

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Let's say the European powers, especially France and Spain, become embroiled in European issues- perhaps an earlier French revolution? Earlier rise of Prussia? Or, for Spain, trouble in its colonies?

Could the rebel forces still have prevailed in the War of independence? What would have most likely happened?
Stalemate? Settlement?

Ladies and gentlemen, start your speculations!
 
there's a fairly lengthy discussion currently going on. last post was yesterday. It specifies no help from france, but there's commentary on Spanish and Dutch help. starts as a poll about could America win without French help.
 
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