American Victory in the War of 1812

Lusitania

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If we have a Federalist president in 1812 (maybe with a POD of Hamilton surviving the duel and running against Madison in 1809), I can see the U.S keeping Upper Canada, Rupert's Land, the Bahamas, Bermuda, and Jamaica.
How ??? How that even possible?? You seem to be ignoring all of the US navy and army limitations. Not possible, the idea it could get Canada is hard but that it beats the British navy and takes the islands, now that is......
 
Yes but a stronger France in 1800 means its forces could recapture Haiti the centerpiece of French North America colonial empire. A French Haiti means a French Louisiana.

Note: France only sold Louisiana due to The US when Haiti was lost. Louisiana was to be French settler colony which was to be paid for by the profits from sugar plantations of Haiti.
I doubt that they could recapture Haiti without getting bogged down in a guerilla war, the political will for which might not be present anymore.
 

Lusitania

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I doubt that they could recapture Haiti without getting bogged down in a guerilla war, the political will for which might not be present anymore.
The French wanted to because the profit was so huge from the sugar. They sent a large army to go do. Disease and miscalculation doomed the French. A richer and more powerful France would push even harder.

To give you example the money the British made from selling the sugar from the captured two remaining French carribean islands during the napoleónic wars paid the costs of the RN. When France at end of seven year war was given choice between getting New France ir carribean islands back it chose the islands.
 
How ??? How that even possible?? You seem to be ignoring all of the US navy and army limitations. Not possible, the idea it could get Canada is hard but that it beats the British navy and takes the islands, now that is......

If the war goes as planned in OTL, with an successful occupation of Canada to use as a bargaining chip at the peace table, the British would be more than glad to exchange the islands of Bahamas and Bermuda and sparsely inhabited Rupert's Land and Upper Canada in exchange for the more populated and wealthy Canada. Jamaica, I admit, seems like a stretch, but with luck at the negotiation table it might be possible.
 

Lusitania

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If the war goes as planned in OTL, with an successful occupation of Canada to use as a bargaining chip at the peace table, the British would be more than glad to exchange the islands of Bahamas and Bermuda and sparsely inhabited Rupert's Land and Upper Canada in exchange for the more populated and wealthy Canada. Jamaica, I admit, seems like a stretch, but with luck at the negotiation table it might be possible.


But that is assuming the British fold and cry uncle but that ignores all British history that they refused to concede when they down. History tell us they would attack American coast and land a large force in Quebec and move south. They would use Bahamas and Bermuda to stage attack’s on the American coast.How long till the American government asks for peace and status quo?
 
The French wanted to because the profit was so huge from the sugar. They sent a large army to go do. Disease and miscalculation doomed the French. A richer and more powerful France would push even harder.

To give you example the money the British made from selling the sugar from the captured two remaining French carribean islands during the napoleónic wars paid the costs of the RN. When France at end of seven year war was given choice between getting New France ir carribean islands back it chose the islands.
I'm aware of the sugar profits. But with Haiti turning into a guerilla warfare situation...I still think it's not outside the realm of possibility for the USA to get Louisiana.
 
But that is assuming the British fold and cry uncle but that ignores all British history that they refused to concede when they down. History tell us they would attack American coast and land a large force in Quebec and move south. They would use Bahamas and Bermuda to stage attack’s on the American coast.How long till the American government asks for peace and status quo?

The British were fighting the Napoleonic Wars on the continent. I doubt they could muster such a force.
 

Lusitania

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I'm aware of the sugar profits. But with Haiti turning into a guerilla warfare situation...I still think it's not outside the realm of possibility for the USA to get Louisiana.
There is a possibility but if it was a guerrilha war and there still a possibility of regaining control of Haiti they keep it and keep Louisiana. Now what would the US do?
 
They had 200,000 soldiers in Britain. The only force the British had in Europe was Wellington in the Iberian peninsula and half his force was Portuguese.

The British are not going to ship any significant portion of that force anywhere near North America with Napoleon on the loose, Royal Navy be damned. It’d be leaving Britain wide open to an invasion, something that was unacceptable no matter how unlikely it was to happen.
 

Lusitania

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The British are not going to ship any significant portion of that force anywhere near North America with Napoleon on the loose, Royal Navy be damned. It’d be leaving Britain wide open to an invasion, something that was unacceptable no matter how unlikely it was to happen.
There was no need for additional troop. They just use the same troops that attacked Washington and that attacked New Orleans. With the BN total control of seas they could attack various towns and cities till the US agreed to withdraw.
 
How ??? How that even possible?? You seem to be ignoring all of the US navy and army limitations. Not possible, the idea it could get Canada is hard but that it beats the British navy and takes the islands, now that is......

Not only that but it's also ignoring the platform of the Federalist Party. If the Federalists somehow hang on to power in the White House and/or the Congress into the 1810s the War of 1812 likely does not occur in at all the form we know OTL. The Federalists were dominated by pro-British, eastern facing merchants and were highly opposed to the war as well as the entire premise of territorial expansion of the United States. That probably wouldn't change enough in some other timeline to turn the Federalists into war hawks who would govern the war contrary to their whole platform...
 
There was no need for additional troop. They just use the same troops that attacked Washington and that attacked New Orleans. With the BN total control of seas they could attack various towns and cities till the US agreed to withdraw.

Then why bring up the troops on the Isles if they weren’t important?
 

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Then why bring up the troops on the Isles if they weren’t important?
Because it was stated that Britain had all its troops fighting in Europe and to let you know that Britain had only a small portion of its forces in Europe. The same time it also had troops in North America. The same ones that attacked Washington and New Orleans were in the field. In addition there were over 200,000 troops not being used on the British islands.
 
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