American Ultras

Again, with the bunh of drunks and violence preconceived ideas. Those guys would create spectacular displays, before they could even attempt creating any disturbances. I might not be familiar with North American mentalities, but I think the movement could become very popular, at least in it's early stages. The working class could easily relate, and also the youth might be drawn to it, just like in Europe.

My dad brought up a good point by the way, there is no way you are bringing flares into a baseball game. Thats just not allowed. Also Baseball is a very calm game, people go to relax, sit back, and watch the ball game. If you want a sport where fans can get really raucous, Hockey might be your game, but even then its a stretch.
 
My dad brought up a good point by the way, there is no way you are bringing flares into a baseball game. Thats just not allowed. Also Baseball is a very calm game, people go to relax, sit back, and watch the ball game. If you want a sport where fans can get really raucous, Hockey might be your game, but even then its a stretch.

And hockey is indoors, too.
 
Usually. Except last year, Fairbanks held one of their games outdoors. Middle of Alaska, at night, in winter (I suppose it's always night in winter there). Only the hardest core fans need to apply for this game.

Yeah and those have only started recently.

So really, you can't get the kind of soccer culture in American sports. Its just not how we watch games. We like fans to make a good atmosphere, but not in the same way that you guys in Europe have atmosphere.

EDIT: One city where Hooliganism would catch on though, Philadelphia. They already do it, but they just call it being a Philly fan.
 
OK, I wish I had a few more Europeans, familiar with the culture, on my side here. Again, you guys mention hooligans and dickheads heckling injured players. The ultra' movement isn't about that. Well at least at it's core it's not.

Anyway, for some reason I don't really like the idea of hockey following ultra'.
 
OK, I wish I had a few more Europeans, familiar with the culture, on my side here. Again, you guys mention hooligans and dickheads heckling injured players. The ultra' movement isn't about that. Well at least at it's core it's not.

Anyway, for some reason I don't really like the idea of hockey following ultra'.

Look man at the end of the day, we just have very different sports cultures. The idea just isn't really that workable. Even at soccer games in America the supporters aren't widespread, except for in Portland. Its really just now he we do sports in America. There are some chants like "Lets go -insert team name-" and spelling out the teams name, but you can't force something thats not likely to work. And as American sports fans we know whats accepted. And giants banners are only okay for certain things, like if Derek Jeter is hitting his 3000th hit then maybe a banner. But once again the timing of baseball makes it impossible that people would be willing to stand up on a hot Summer day, hotter then anywhere in Europe by the way, for over 3 hours holding up a banner with chest paint getting a sunburn like you wouldn't believe.

And once again, you can't even smoke in a stadium, how in the hell do you think flares are gonna be treated? Reckless endangerment and a couple of months jail time on the Rock.
 
Ultra groups are not about pageantry, they are exciting to watch sometimes but they often have political or nationalistic links that don't translate into the Anglo-Saxon sporting culture. It's not just the US, other Anglo-Saxon sports don't really take to the Ultra style. Even British football fans, even the hooligan elements which are the closest analogy, don't operate in the same way that Ultras do. In Australia and New Zealand sports fans can be pretty loud and booze-fuelled but the Ultra concept is alien to us. A decade ago, the amateur Australian soccer league was based on ethnic identity (there were Italian, Croat, Serb, Greek and Maltese-linked clubs) and there were crowd problems but once that old ethnic club system was disbanded the crowd problems went too. Now the Balkan fans switch their nationalistic approach to tennis, but it's ugly and unwelcome behaviour that the authorities thankfully now clamp down on.

I love most sports, I love soccer/football and I've watched the Real Madrid Ultras behind the goal at the Bernebau. When they just sing away and bang the drums it is entertaining, but when the fascist salutes come out you can quickly see the ugly side of the Ultras. On balance the bad outweighs the good, I'm glad my sporting teams don't have Ultra fans.
 
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