American Tripartite Jello please read this, your the expert on socialist america

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What if the Farmers Alliance allied with the Knights of Labor, providing the knights with a permanent supply of food during strikes and the FA with monetary support from the less needed strike fund, both sides also get a political ally. What if also these to groups take over the Populist Party, and force it to combine with the Workingmens Party and the farmer labor party. What if all these groups become more radical and eventually revolt against the US government, creating the Alliance of Workers and Farmers Republics.
 
The most damage to the Knights of Labor happened during the Haymarket Strike which had been going just well, just the usual police brutality, and then someone threw a bomb into the crowd of police officers and the officers shot back. Butterfly away the bomb and public sympathy would be on the strikers and the Knights of Labor would have a serious chance of morphing into a Socialist Party as it attempted to include all labor, skilled and unskilled, something its AFL successor avoided. Especially if the Knights of Labor can capitalize on growing discontent among the middle class and others toward political and industrial corruption. However there is a possibility that this Socialist Party will have nativist tendencies as did the Progressive movement
 
Mmmm... Tripartite Jello... from America... :p

It's tripartite ice cream actually, and it's called Neapolitan. :D My apologies to the OP, please forgive me.

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The most damage to the Knights of Labor happened during the Haymarket Strike which had been going just well, just the usual police brutality, and then someone threw a bomb into the crowd of police officers and the officers shot back. Butterfly away the bomb and public sympathy would be on the strikers and the Knights of Labor would have a serious chance of morphing into a Socialist Party as it attempted to include all labor, skilled and unskilled, something its AFL successor avoided. Especially if the Knights of Labor can capitalize on growing discontent among the middle class and others toward political and industrial corruption. However there is a possibility that this Socialist Party will have nativist tendencies as did the Progressive movement

What about the Farmers Alliance providing food to the Knights so they can feed their strikers, which would give them a material advantage over the AFL/IWW, and would give the farmers money from the reduced cost of strike funds and a way to avoid the tenant system
 

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On the Tripartite Conference:

After several years of bickering and false starts the Founding Convention of the Farmer-Labor Tripartite was finally under way. Delegates had been sent from the Knights of Labor, the IWW, the Workeringmens Party, the Populist Party, The Farmers Alliance and the Cowboys Union. After hours of fighting the delegates finally voted on a platform for the organization.

the basic agreements are as follows:

1. the farmers alliance shall provide the newly formed Coalition of Industrial Forces (Cowboys Union, IWW, KL) with food to be used for feeding strikers. In return the CIF shall give the farmers sympathy strikes, money to end the tenant system, and refuse to handle food grown by non alliance farmers.

2. the Cowboys Union shall receive funds to aid the Cowboys in buying their own cows, which are to be controlled by the Union. In return the cowboys will sell 25 percent of their cows to the Farmers Alliance, and only send cattle on Union trains.

3. The Populist party shall merge with the Workingmens party and the Farmer Labor Party. Membership in the CIF or FL is membership in the renamed Agro-Industrial Populist Party.

4. The AIPP will advocate for an end to waged labor, segregation, control of each industry its Union and Agriculture by the Alliance.

5. The alliance will combine its white and black sections, and have its organization be regionally based on popular elections of all members in one area. Migrant Farm hands will be able to elect both in their current region, and into their own separate structure based on Travel Group (groups of workers who travel together). When a farm is freed from the tenant system all the people currently working it gain full ownership of it as a collective. Collective Farms must pay a higher tax because they control the whole of their produce. When neighboring farms are liberated they become one collective. Collective Farms also get a separate political structure.

7. In the CIF gains control of a factory, either by striking the boss out, buying it or defacto (occupying it for so long without resistance that it is true) that factory becomes very much like a collective farm, except that they are industrially organized not regionally.
 
Well, some preliminary thoughts.

First of all, it'd be absolutely crucial for an alliance of Populists, the Farmers Alliance, and the Knights of Labor to also bring in the Socialist Labor Party. First off, the SLP has considerable human resources among the immigrant populations of the major cities. Alliances between them and the more native groups would be crucial to stopping them from shooting themselves in the foot with nativism. Second, the SLP is a conduit for effective, experienced activists from Europe to enter the American movement.

Second, the inclusion of the IWW is anachronistic; the IWW wasn't founded until 1905, and it was formed by AFL dissidents from the anti-political, business unionism of Samuel Gompers, as well as from the ashes of the SLP's Socialist Trade and Labor Alliance. ITTL, no IWW would ever form, because presumably the Knights of Labor would organically involve into an industrial trade union. Probably be something like "Trade Union Congress" or if they wanna lean on the founders, the "Continental Congress of Labor".

As for what the resulting amalgamation would be named, I'm inclined to think it would be something simple. Probably not Agro-Industrial Populist. Farmer-Labor seems to be the most likely outcome if it's a more or less equal union between urban trade unionists and Marxists with rural populists. Though, historically, "Socialist Party" was apparently good enough to capture both demographics, though at a slightly later date.
 

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I like the word Tripartite, so I'm keeping it, Trade and Labor Tripartite, and ignore the IWW stuff I was mixing up 2 things I was writing. Include the socialist labor party. How do you think the resulting government would be formed. I'm thinking 3 republics:

The Confederacy of Industrial Republics New England: The Great Lakes and the Industrialized Great Lakes controlled by KL, the Eastern Industrial Congress, syndicalist with mutualist elements. Mainly small stalls and food production are mutualist.
Capital: New York

Farmers Republic: the South, with Agrian Mutualist/Socialist sells food to other Republics in a mutualist manner. Governed by the Farmers Alliance.
capital: Austin

Confederacy of Tribes and Cowhands: Mutualist peaceful old west, governed by a 2 housed congress, the Assembly of Indian Representatives and the Cowhands Congress. Capital: Dodge City

Populist Party Assembly: elected reps elected by region, serves as the federal government
 
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How does a socialist country affect the world socialist movement? How does it affect the thoughts of Marx, Proudhon, and Bakunin? Is the Internationale housed in NYC, are most socialist parties Populist Parties? How does the world deal with this nation? How does WW1 happen?
 
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