American Tory Challange

During the early years of the US whe had a Whig party, The challange is to get a American Tory Party to go with it.

Maybe a Tory party under a different name to avoid the Revolutionary War stigma.

a short definition of what a Tory Party would espouse

[italics mine]

the notion of an orderly process rather than the more common "land rush" found in the American colonies is part of the Canadian heritage. That "peace, order and good government" was placed in the preamble to our Constitution (the British North America Act of 1867) is no accident: it is a deeply-rooted part of who we are.

It is also a deeply-rooted part of who we are today, many decades and much immigration later. The perception of Canada in the world, from the early 19th century to the present day, is of a peaceable land, where one makes one's way in an ordered and stable society. Those who wanted to define the frontier did so in the United States (where packing up and moving on has been a part of that society's culture since before the American Revolution) or in Australia; those who wanted to settle and make a go of things in a protected environment came to Canada (or New Zealand). This, too, is a part of the perennial emigration from Canada of those Canadians who think there is little opportunity here: they hear the wild goose of the open frontier calling. But who we are are people who by and large want to stay at home and build our own communities, and who will therefore change a little more slowly. We are, in other words, natural Tories with our sense of bonding to the past, the present and the future and stewardship over places and ways of doing things, but (and this is a tribute to the demands of our geography) a communitarian base (lone wolves in Canada have often frozen to death!). [This is why our politics contains both the Tory (now Conservative) stream and the Clear Grit -> CCF -> NDP stream, and why these streams are often able to see merit in the other's positions against the Liberals,
 
Hmm, after reading that TL on the Avro Arrow, this could be interesting. Of course, the problem are the Federalists, but maybe after the Federalists fall something like this could happen.
 
(My link caught your fancy, then? :).)

The problem, of course, is that all the Tories packed up and left. As such, you'll need to create a Tory base.

It's hard to do that in a society founded on the Bill of Rights and government is bad, and individual rights are the way to go since a Tory would be on the other side of all of those issues.

I'm honestly at a loss as how to introduce a Tory strain into America. Into New England, this could be done. Into the whole country?
 
Well when there is a will, there is a way. Say after the Federalists are done, some people decide to pick up the pieces and spin it. Take individual rights, for example. Now IIRC Tories believe in valuing the community over the individual. So how about something "individual rights can't be protected unless we protect the community"? Thus, what should be done is taking some ideas from the Federalists, throw in some Edmund Burke and presto!
 
(My link caught your fancy, then? :).)

The problem, of course, is that all the Tories packed up and left. As such, you'll need to create a Tory base.

It's hard to do that in a society founded on the Bill of Rights and government is bad, and individual rights are the way to go since a Tory would be on the other side of all of those issues.

I'm honestly at a loss as how to introduce a Tory strain into America. Into New England, this could be done. Into the whole country?

I think you're right here - a lot of the Tories decamped to future Canada as the Loyalists during the ARW, leaving the 'adventuresome' behind to work on the risky experiment of egalitarian repbulicism. So perhaps if the ARW was averted, and a more peaceful, amicable declaration of independence was acheived, then the Loyalists would stay, seeing the new country as an extension of Britain rather than a rejection, and maintaining their Tory leanings as well.

You'd probably still have the West as the wild frontier calling the risk-seekers and therefore a much more individualistic political feeling though. Maybe even more of a cultural split between the Yankees and the Frontier would develop than in OTL.
 
Actually, I believe that even in the US a Tory-like party could show up. We'd have to wait for the Federalists to fall first.
 
What if the Federalist manage to last as a cohesive party? Say the US more definitively loses the War of 1812, but New England does not secede. Southern landowners decide they've had enough of idealists like Jefferson's Democractic-Republicans. The Federalists are for things like a national government and the pre-emience of that government over the states (the good of the community). They could easily evolve into a Tory-like party. Of course I've now probably killed the American Whig Party.
 
I'm confused; is this American Tory party supposed to oppose the land rushes? Because I don't think that would be politically possible; one of the big flash points between the US and Britain was the British attempts to ban settlements west of the Appalachians, and lo and behold one of the main things the US did after formation was to clear out the indians from the North West territories. Add in the tricky constitutional right to move freely within the United States, and any party that espouses "don't go there until the government says so" is liable to not only be clinging to an unpopular idea, but possibly an constitutionally illegal one as well.
 
Whe do have a strain of Toryism in the US. The people who argue that a broken window can lead to slums.
They call the city inspectors over, that abandoned car, or the pile of trash in the nieghbors yard, The opposite of Libertarians.

While some of these are nosy nellies that just want to stick their Nose into others business, Some others do act from Principles.

The Federalists are for things like a national government and the pre-emience of that government over the states (the good of the community). They could easily evolve into a Tory-like party. Of course I've now probably killed the American Whig Party.
?So whe ask Who where the Whigs?
http://fireside.designcommunity.com/topic-6872.html

So the Tories would have to form either in the 1830's with the collaspe of the Federalists, or in the 1850's-60's with the collaspe of the Whigs & the Democrat-Republicans.
 
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