American SS

So? How can this be done? There was a lot of sympathy towards Germany unless I am wrong, prior to the declaration of war, and lots of German - Americans who supported the mother country.
 
I dont think the SS made a habit of recruiting from neutral countries. Trying to think of the name of the division it would be...
SS Infantry Division George Washington?
 
If you're talking about a German-style SS group in the United States under another name, then it would probably go hand-in-hand with a populist movement. Huey Long and Charles Lindbergh have been the usual suspects in various TLs I've read, though a case could be made for Henry Ford as a fascist leader. Upton Sinclair's It Can't Happen Here is a good starting point for an example of a fascist dictatorship coming to power in the United States during that time.
 
I was thinking he ment a Waffen SS unit made up of Americans. Wonder how they would react when america declares war, a mutiny maybe?
 

maverick

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More importantly, how would such a thing come to pass in the first place?


Shit, doesn't anyone remember the fucking Legion of St. George?:p

Or am I just obsessed with War Trivia?

Options:
Prisoners of war in North Africa, given the chance to fight in Russia or die in a prison camp

Americans from the Bund in the 1930s come to Germany before December of 1941, fight in Russia or the balkans...
 
well, remember in BAND OF BROTHERS Ep 2 'Day of Days', Malarkey meets that German POW who turns out to be a VOLKSDEUTSCHE from Eugene, Oregon, who, as a 'true Aryan' went back to the Fatherland in 1941 to fight for Hitler- so there would've been such American individuals who joined the WAFFEN SS- though during the war itself only in miniscule nos.- as was the case for British/Cth POWs in the Legion of St George (as our esteemed colleague maverick has indicated). Plus, also don't forget the BRANDENBURGER commandos whom Skorzeny recruited for Op GREIF Dec 1944, which included some Germans who'd spent alot of time in the US thus being familiar with American culture, language etc- but who were only a very small no. overall.

However, if lots of Bundists had decided to go over pre-1941 so's that Himmler could've formed at least a Waffen SS brigade group with American nationals- hmmm, if these guys were captured by fellow Yanks, wouldn't they have been tried & shot as traitors ? Could give Skorzeny, Himmler et al a greater pool of more potential effective recruits for more effective false flag ops as well as occurred during the Battle of the Bulge ?
 
Well there are several ways you can do this, but what kind of SS are you talking about? Is it about racial ideology, secret police, body guard? Just define its use and you can develope it.
 
Well there are several ways you can do this, but what kind of SS are you talking about? Is it about racial ideology, secret police, body guard? Just define its use and you can develope it.

I was wondering about the feasibility of a group like SS Wiking or the Walloons/SS Handschar, etc. As a point of departure, Hitler does not declare war on the US, making it harder for Roosevelt to fight Germany. Pro German groups trumpet Pearl Harbour ("Germany is not the threat, look to Japan!"). Perhaps they eventually succeed in pressuring the government to scale back or suspend the Lend - Lease, and certainly would try to make sure Russia gets nothing. As a side note, Hitler takes the advice to stop referring to US as a "mongrel nation" under the control of the Jews. At least for the duration of the war.
 
So? How can this be done? There was a lot of sympathy towards Germany unless I am wrong, prior to the declaration of war, and lots of German - Americans who supported the mother country.

The last one seems to be taken as a given but I've never been especially convinced about it. Nimitz? Eisenhower? I believe these are German names.
 
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