American invasion

katchen

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The point is..China can't succeed at invading the US. But the US can't succeed at invading China either.
 
ANY Chinese leader dumb enough to propose this would be the victim of the World's fastest coup in ages. This is suicide, the US has around 5,000 nuclear weapons while China has around 240. http://www.armscontrol.org/factsheets/Nuclearweaponswhohaswhat

China's brown water navy is no match for the US navy. Some USN ships would be sunk but they would be a small fraction of what the Chinese Navy would lose. They have the combat lift capacity to move ONE armored division to the US so even if you hand-wave away the USN and the USAF the Chinese get stomped to the curb.

If the Chinese really start getting worried about being repaid what they would do is to start selling their US debt slowly on the market. At least THAT wouldn't be suicide.

I agree with the above poster that an American invasion of China would be about as suicidal and if Obama was crazy enough to propose (He wouldn't be but he happens to be the POUS right now) he would be quickly declared insane and Joe Biden would be the new president, God help us all!!
 

CalBear

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One of the interesting things to consider is that even if you somehow get passed the USN, landing on the west coast puts you in urban combat with perhaps the largest irregular militia in waiting on the planet. Not only that, but its a small arms irregular militia subsidized with a heavy weapons 'militia' in the form of the national guard.

Actually if it comes down to the PLA vs. South Central LA I'm not entirely sure I will take the visitors unless I get at least 6.5 points.
 

Robert

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China may be one of only two countries on Earth with the manpower to invade the United States (India is the other), but lacks the military forces to conduct such an operation.

First, you have to get control of the Air. As the Battle of Britain showed the world, a naval invasion can not be conducted without Air Supremacy. The U.S. Air Force has fought several wars over the past twenty years, gaining invaluable experience. The PLAAF hasn't fought a real war since Korea in 1953. Further the best aircraft that the Chinese have are Russian Designs that the U.S. has fought and defeated with no air to air losses. Further, the Chinese pilots receive half the flying hours a month compaired to U.S. pilots. This is considered less then needed to be proficient in flying their aircraft, much less then provided the expertise to engage in Air Combat Manuevers. To make matters worse the U.S. has a force of Stealth Bombers that can strike Invasion Staging Areas and Logistical Sites without a chance of being stopped.

Second, while the Chinese have a large navy, it is primary one of destroyers without more then a Division's worth of sealift capability. While the Chinese can in theory mass huge land army, crossing the Pacific in a timely matter is another thing entirely. To land a force Division at a time would invite the destruction of the Chinese Army piecemeal, even if they could get past the Air and Naval problems.

Third, The Chinese haven't fought anyone since Vietnam in 1979. The U.S. Army has been in combat today. Further the bulk of our forces and reserves are in the Continental United States. Any invasion force would be fighting the best we have including M-1 Abrams tanks. The bulk of the Chinese Army uses T-72 or older models (you can't have a large army with the best equipment, there simply isn't enough). T-72s proved to be extremely vulnerable in combat with U.S. Armor.

Fourth, any preperations of an Invasion of the United States would take years in just building up the shipping available. The U.S. could take economic actions that could send the Chinese economy into a tailspin (even with damage to the U.S. economy) as a means of preventing war.

Fifth, if it comes down to it, the U.S. will use Nuclear weapons to protect itself. It would be a last resort, but an invasion would rise to that level. While the Chinese do have it's own ICBMs, we do have some missile defense to counter it, and they have no where near the number of missiles to launch a strike on our silos and bomber bases, and have only a very limited ability to counter of SSBNs.

Six, The Chinese have to maintain a large army on their border with Russia, even if their allies. It's unlikely that any other country will side with China, not wanting to be targeted by U.S. ICBMs.
 
I don't get all the egotistical bravado ... China vs USA ...

China has a military force 1.5 times the size of the USA ...
China has a population 4 times the size of the USA ...
China has the second largest and possibly the most modern navy, in size only beaten by the USA ...
China's production capacity seems limitless the USA has been or still is in decline (lets call it a period of readjustment) ...

Now I'm not saying that China will win, could win or wouldn't be wiped out ... I can't say what the quality of either nations equipment or competence is but the way some of you are talking its almost like all the US has to do is turn round at the same time, wave your butts in China's general direction and fart at the same time and the whole Chinese navy will sink ... there would be huge loses on both sides and maybe the rest of the world would be a better place for it!!

Okay everyone has gone at length to explain why the OP’s premise is flawed, but this post right here? I certainly want to hear an explanation how the two largest engines of the entire globe's economy warring, one completely destroyed the other heavily damaged, would result in a better world?
 
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What would happen if China invaded America for the money America owes them?
"for the money America owes them?" ?? Isn't the money we owe them in the form of T-bills and the like, which we make regular payments on, long term investments and not 'here's a loan' type stuff? If America stopped paying on it's T-bills, then China would have a gripe, otherwise... no.
 
"for the money America owes them?" ?? Isn't the money we owe them in the form of T-bills and the like, which we make regular payments on, long term investments and not 'here's a loan' type stuff? If America stopped paying on it's T-bills, then China would have a gripe, otherwise... no.

Yeah I thought that was so funny. Like are they going to rob our banks during the invasion? Repo our cars? They only hold a trillion dollars anyway. Even a limited war with the US (some mild naval actions) would cost way more than that in lost economic activity.

Okay everyone has gone at length to explain why the OP’s premise is flawed, but this post right here? I certainly want to hear an explanation how the two largest engines of the entire globe's economy warring, one completely destroyed the other heavily damaged, would result in a better world?

Yeah I am also curious as to how the wave of mass global poverty and 30-40 years of lost progress by civilization caused by this war would somehow be a good thing. Not to mention the untold millions dead.
 
Very simple. If the Chinese were stupid enough to try it, the message from the American President is "Call it off or we turn your country into a paved-over parking lot for Disney Asia."
 
Very simple. If the Chinese were stupid enough to try it, the message from the American President is "Call it off or we turn your country into a paved-over parking lot for Disney Asia."

"Call it off or we'll open some branch US states on the virgin land that was once eastern China."
 

Robert

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For China to invade the United States you'd have to have a deviant timeline going back decades, one that resulted in a weaker U.S., and a stronger China.
 
Okay everyone has gone at length to explain why the OP’s premise is flawed, but this post right here? I certainly want to hear an explanation how the two largest engines of the entire globe's economy warring, one completely destroyed the other heavily damaged, would result in a better world?

a chance to start anew with all other human being joining hands and singing kumbaya ?
 
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