American Consuls

In thinking about forms of government, there's a scenario I've often wondered about. This may be too big a variable and create too many butterflies to be able to build any kind of AH from, but I'm curious to see if anyone has any input on it anyway. Here it is:

The Founding Fathers of the United States had a great respect for the Roman Republic, and the governmental system they set up owes a great deal to the pre-Imperial Roman system. What if they had carried it a step further, and the Constitution provided for, not a single President with a four-year term of office, but a pair of Consuls to serve only a year? The Consuls would have to be elected independently (so they couldn't pair up and conspire to take over together--at least, not officially), and any given Consul could have as many terms of office as he could get elected to, but could never serve for two consecutive years. (These were safeguards built into the Roman system to prevent any one person from becoming too powerful, though in the Roman system there were always ways around the safeguards. One would assume that with our written Constitution, and with Congress and the Supreme Court unchanged, it would be harder to do that here.)

How might this affect the running of the American government and the course of history? Would we be more likely to balance the two main parties by keeping them both at the top, or to give both offices to the same party most years? If there was balance, would it help things run more smoothly, or would there be so much discord nothing would ever get accomplished? Would there even be political parties, or would this system discourage such a thing from developing?
 
A pair of consuls is one thing (the question is: How do they divide power? WI they're from different parties?), but just one year? The election campaigns will never end. (Which gives me an idea: Could the Roman republic have survived longer if the consuls were elected for three to six years instead?)
 
Yeah, the television and radio ads would never stop. :eek: I always thought a year seemed pretty short--especially in an ancient country like the Roman Republic, when anyone who wanted to vote had to travel all the way to Rome itself to do it. But, that's what the Romans did, so that's what I'm assuming for the Founding Fathers. Of course, there's nothing to stop later leaders from saying, "Okay, this isn't really working. Time for an Amendment."
 
Have one Consul be delegated authority over Domestic Issues, and the other delegated authority over Foreign Affairs.
This would be in essence an earlier form of the Semi-Presidential system, but in a way it would be different. The Consuls could, and probably would, have overlapping powers and authorities.

Another interesting idea, to cut down on possible corruption, is to not only have them elected separately, but at different times, like Senior and Junior Senators are. Term length of five years would be best, really, to maintain stability.
 
If we go with overlapping powers, how would the executive branch function? Would the consuls need to agree on an bill in order for it to become law? If so, would if they're from different parties? And if they do not both need to agree, how else could the bill pass? Congressional support? If so, what is to stop the consul from using Congress as a pawn against the other?

No, I can't see a consulate system working. It either becomes a presidential system in effect or results in political deadlock, bickering and corruption.
 
It would good to see other parts of the Roman constition in the US. The Cursus Honorum is the system where you have to fill a lower officer before you can try for higher offices. I have always been annoyed at politicians who prefer to jump straight to the top job with out having to spend anytime trying to get elected as dogcatcher, town counciller, ordinary member of the legislator. All the offices where there is a lot of work to do and very little photo ops.
 
Absolutely. I've always loved the idea of the Cursus Honorum. I doubt we'd be better off under Consuls instead of Presidents, but if they proposed an Amendment requiring a Cursus Honorum even now, I would support it.
 
Well, in Historia Mundi, where the Republic survives in name longer, and eventually, there are republican successor states, I have a staggered consulship. 4 year terms, elected every two years. One consul being slightly more powerful than the other, with the junior consul becoming the senior when the next consul is elected.

Could be an interesting combination of consul/presidential systems for America.

Frex:

Washington (senior)/Adams (junior)
Adams (senior)/ Jefferson (junior)
Jefferson (senior)/Madison(junior)
 
Well, in Historia Mundi, where the Republic survives in name longer, and eventually, there are republican successor states, I have a staggered consulship. 4 year terms, elected every two years. One consul being slightly more powerful than the other, with the junior consul becoming the senior when the next consul is elected.

Could be an interesting combination of consul/presidential systems for America.

Frex:

Washington (senior)/Adams (junior)
Adams (senior)/ Jefferson (junior)
Jefferson (senior)/Madison(junior)
WHOA, you've Been Reading My Mind ...

For a Future Government System I've Been Mulling Over, a Direct Democracy Elects Two Consuls for Overlapping Terms to Serve as Counter-Points to The People as a Whole ...

So Doable?

:D
 
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