American Commonwealth 2010 election poll

Which party are you going to vote for in the election next month?


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Sanders all the way! I voted Liberal last time, but I think it's time to give Sanders a shot. Clinton is a good PM, but she's limited in her capacity by special interests. Maybe Sanders could really get something done.

If not PM, then maybe the PDs could get a nice wedge vote.
 

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Are we going to get another Liberal-Libertarian-Conservative coalition government or will Progressives take the day?
 
Are we going to get another Liberal-Libertarian-Conservative coalition government or will Progressives take the day?
The Progressives have been polling really well all over the place, so we're probably looking at them taking the Premiership and the lead of any coalition. Depending on how Sanders approaches being Head of Government. If he goes for moderation, he could conceivably bring in the Liberals and the Libertarians for a strong coalition government. Of course, if he insists on ideological purity, we may be looking at the creation of the weakest coalition government and the largest opposition party in the history of the Commonwealth.
 
Yeah, way back when it was called the United American Party, but after they merged with the Center Party in the 30s and became the Liberal Party, they started to move more towards social liberalism. Now they seem to be moving back to classical liberalism.

Ah yes, that makes sense now.

Indeed. And American Heritage's celebration of being an active political party for 100 years is coming up next year. I've got the perfect slogan for the occasion. "American Heritage: Being a pain in the arse of American politics for the last 100 years." I think it's catchy. :cool:

Please don't remind me. :mad: Though I've heard through the grapevine that the RAMP and the FBI are investigating the party. It'll be interesting to see what comes out of that, if true.

No, you're thinking of the West Coast Network, WBS' rival. WBS was formed by the merger of the California State Broadcasting Service, Nevada Broadcasting Network, Alaska Television Service, and the Columbia Television Consortium way back in the late 50s.

Ah, I see. I'd wish both of them merge already - having two public broadcasters that largely overlap makes no sense. Though the OMNI Television network and NITV are excellent ideas, particularly since we have local member stations and affiliates of both. :cool:

Well, I used to like Cloverdale too, but I just think it has had a huge drop in quality recently. Which is understandable because it's been on the air since 1983. They should just give it a rest already.

I agree with you there. For me, the perfect series, i.e. a soap opera, would have a limited run - either one season spanning 3-4 months, or up to five seasons max. That's how both the public broadcasters and the minor/independent TV stations do it here.
 
Are we going to get another Liberal-Libertarian-Conservative coalition government or will Progressives take the day?

Last I heard, there was talk of a possible Tory-Lib-Alaskan Independence Party-Popular Democratic Party of Puerto Rico coalition. Apparently, the PPD is polling very well in Puerto Rico, to the point where all 3 seats might get carried by them - unless the Virgin Islands Labour Party* wins that other seat, again. :rolleyes: Not to mention the Alaskan Independence Party's popularity under Ted Stevens. So, we'll see.

*OOC: In typical Caribbean fashion, the Virgin Islands Labour Party in TTL is actually a conservative party.
 
Some of my friends who are campaign organizers for the Liberals are apparently hearing strong rumors that the Liberals may form a coalition with the Progressives, but note, these are simply rumors.
 
OOC: Those poor, poor butterflies. The air smells of insecticide.

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I'll be voting for the Libertarians, of course.
 
Please don't remind me. :mad: Though I've heard through the grapevine that the RAMP and the FBI are investigating the party. It'll be interesting to see what comes out of that, if true.

I'm still holding out for some kind of election scandal involving American Heritage. Something like when those two Libertarian MPs were arrested for hacking into the internal network of the Progressives during the last election.

Ah, I see. I'd wish both of them merge already - having two public broadcasters that largely overlap makes no sense. Though the OMNI Television network and NITV are excellent ideas, particularly since we have local member stations and affiliates of both. :cool:

Well, there would be problem with such a merger due to ownership, financing and programming. WBS is co-owned by the American Broadcasting System and a foundation owned by the states of California, Alaska, Nevada, and Columbia, and is financed by the federal television license for ABS and the state television license for regional public broadcasting. While the WCN on the other hand is fully owned and financed by the non profit conservative organization, the Christian Media Foundation.
And when it comes to programming, WBS airs general entertainment, documentaries, and impartial news, while WCN on the other hand only airs documentaries, news, and political commentaries with strong rightist poltical bias. Which is to be expected due to the Christian Media Foundation being chaired by that guy who was the American Heritage leader during the 80s.

I agree with you there. For me, the perfect series, i.e. a soap opera, would have a limited run - either one season spanning 3-4 months, or up to five seasons max. That's how both the public broadcasters and the minor/independent TV stations do it here.

Yeah, the problem is that ABS keeps ordering more seasons of the damn thing so it keeps airing on national television. Still, the ratings have been doing poorly for the younger audience in later seasons, so ABS may just cancel it next year, since they are looking to attract a younger audience to the network.
 
I'm voting Prog Dem. We need to get in step with the UK again to keep going out of the Crisis, and Miliband and Sanders have the most in common. I've waited ten years to see Bernie Sanders walk into 1 America Avenue and I'll wait four weeks more!
 
It's looking more and more likely that the Progressive Democrats are going to have the most seats in the next parliament (but not an outright majority). I expect a Progressive Dem-Liberal coalition, with this being the first time we've had a Progressive Democrat PM, and the first Jewish PM since Javits being at 1 American Avenue.

That being said, I wonder how Hillary's going to take being the junior partner after being PM? Methinks not too well...

Either way, I think that it's looking like I'm going to vote for Oberstar (Liberal) as my MP and use my PR vote for the Progressive Democrats. I'm pretty liberal for the Liberals :)p), and Hillary's continuation of the Bush-McCain policies hasn't made me any happier.
 
BTW- Did anyone else see Bob Barr (the Deputy Leader of the Libertarians) during the Deputy Leader debate last night? The guy kicked ass (and I'm not even going to vote for him:p:D). I mean, he was on fire! Tearing Biden a new a-hole for continuing the Bush-McCain policies, Kucinich for wanting to create a "Ministry of Peace" even though there are already ministries devoted to the tasks that that ministry would set out, Pence for his stupid "the market in Kabul is just like an Indiana market" remarks and the last Conservative government's spectacular failure, and Tancredo for...I don't even know where to begin with Tancredo (God help us if he gets to the leadership of American Heritage:eek::mad:)!

If that man were my MP, I'd vote for him in a heartbeat. Sadly, his positions on economics leave much to be desired, such as his desire to cut or privatize some of the National Health Service and the public schools and eliminate about 5 cabinet agencies (I know he hates the Trade, Labor :rolleyes::mad:, Education, Sports & Culture and Aboriginal Affairs ministries for sure, I can't think of the others).

But all in all, I'd much rather see him than Ron Paul as the Libertarian leader. At least Barr can rock the mustache:cool:.
 
It's looking more and more likely that the Progressive Democrats are going to have the most seats in the next parliament (but not an outright majority). I expect a Progressive Dem-Liberal coalition, with this being the first time we've had a Progressive Democrat PM, and the first Jewish PM since Javits being at 1 American Avenue.

That being said, I wonder how Hillary's going to take being the junior partner after being PM? Methinks not too well...

Either way, I think that it's looking like I'm going to vote for Oberstar (Liberal) as my MP and use my PR vote for the Progressive Democrats. I'm pretty liberal for the Liberals :)p), and Hillary's continuation of the Bush-McCain policies hasn't made me any happier.

Unless you count the parties preceeded the Prog Dems before the merger in '86. Sure, we never had a Progressive Party PM, but the Social Democrats had five terms in 1 American Avenue if I remember correctly.

She'll be mighty cranky, that for sure. She may even lose the post of leader of the party. I mean, she is already standing on shaky foundation with Liberal MPs openly criticising her in the middle of the election and eroding support within the party. And if we go by the latest poll, the Libs would only get ca. 22% of the vote, which would be the worst result for the Libs since the sixties. She is not going to survive that.

Who do you think will be the new leader if Clinton resigns, or is forced to resign?
I think that either Oberstar or the Obama fellow (Speaker of the House) are the two more likely candidates. Oberstar does have a lot of experience and seniorty due to havin had seats in the Cabinet. Now as Minister of Transportation and formerly the Minister of Justice under Al Gore, which would give him an advantage.
Still, Obama is also pretty experienced, having been our Ambassador to Sweden, Japan, Germany, Britain, and Secretary-General of the Commonwealth of Nations. Plus, he is very popular among younger voters.
It could really go either way.
 
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BTW- Did anyone else see Bob Barr (the Deputy Leader of the Libertarians) during the Deputy Leader debate last night? The guy kicked ass (and I'm not even going to vote for him:p:D). I mean, he was on fire! Tearing Biden a new a-hole for continuing the Bush-McCain policies, Kucinich for wanting to create a "Ministry of Peace" even though there are already ministries devoted to the tasks that that ministry would set out, Pence for his stupid "the market in Kabul is just like an Indiana market" remarks and the last Conservative government's spectacular failure, and Tancredo for...I don't even know where to begin with Tancredo (God help us if he gets to the leadership of American Heritage:eek::mad:)!

If that man were my MP, I'd vote for him in a heartbeat. Sadly, his positions on economics leave much to be desired, such as his desire to cut or privatize some of the National Health Service and the public schools and eliminate about 5 cabinet agencies (I know he hates the Trade, Labor :rolleyes::mad:, Education, Sports & Culture and Aboriginal Affairs ministries for sure, I can't think of the others).

But all in all, I'd much rather see him than Ron Paul as the Libertarian leader. At least Barr can rock the mustache:cool:.

Yeah, Barr is a great debater. Yesterday I thought he was like an American version of Nick Clegg, only with radically different politics.

Kucinich is not a very good politician, and he often brings out very strange and nonsensical proposals. Sanders only keeps him in such a high position to make the radical elements of the Prog Dems happy. And if Sanders is in a position to form a Government, I don't think he'd place Kucinich in an important position. The radical Prog Dems couldn't even do much more than complain since Sanders has shown himself to be successful, and is very popular among a huge chunk of the party.

Don't even think the thought that American Hertitage would ever be able to influential in american politics again. Didn't the last poll show them not getting enough votes to get into Parliament? Hell, even in the last election they only one seat more than Green Party. Face it, American Heritage's role in american politics is over, and not a minute too soon in my opinion.

Indeed. Sure, he's charismatic and smart, but his politics do leave a lot to be desired.

I'd also like to see him as a leader. Because with him at the helm, the Libertarians would sure be able to nab a few votes from the Tories, which would be benefitial for the Libs and Prog Dems.
 
Unless you count the parties preceeded the Prog Dems before the merger in '86. Sure, we never had a Progressive Party PM, but the Social Democrats had five terms in 1 American Avenue if I remember correctly.

True: two of those were with Debs, two with La Follette (both lasting less than 3 years), and the third was the short-lived Hiram Johnson that pretty much collapsed within a year of La Follette dying.

She'll be mighty cranky, that for sure. She may even lose the post of leader of the party. I mean, she is already standing on shaky foundation with Liberal MPs openly criticising her in the middle of the election and eroding support within the party. And if we go by the latest poll, the Libs would only get ca. 22% of the vote, which would be the worst result for the Libs since the sixties. She is not going to survive that.

Agreed. If the Liberals are either out of government after this election or are the junior partner in a coalition, Hillary's out. Maybe even if they eke out enough seats to be the senior partner in a Lib-Prog. Dem. coalition, her possible successors smell blood in the water. I expect that if she somehow retains 1 American Avenue after this, she's either got to change her course drastically or she's going to get booted in a leadership challenge.

Who do you think will be the new leader if Clinton resigns, or is forced to resign?
I think that either Oberstar or the Obama fellow (Speaker of the House) are the two more likely candidates. Oberstar does have a lot of experience and seniorty due to havin had seats in the Cabinet. Now as Minister of Transportation and formerly the Minister of Justice under Al Gore, which would give him an advantage.
Still, Obama is also pretty experienced, having been our Ambassador to Sweden, Japan, Germany, Britain, and Secretary-General of the Commonwealth of Nations. Plus, he is very popular among younger voters.
It could really go either way.

Nah, Oberstar's not going to run. He's going to be 76 by the time of the election and he's never put his name forward as a candidate for party leader. I bet it's either going to be Obama, Biden (for a short time until he inevitable f**ks up enough where he gets booted), or possibly Tim Kaine.

My money's on Obama; Biden's getting up there and he's only a short-term substitute, so not really a net gain, plus like I said, he's got a penchant for putting his foot in his mouth. Remember how he declared the Health Ministry Reform Act a "big f***king deal" at a press conference with the PM? Kaine is the only other long-term candidate I know of that would have a real shot, but being Minister of Justice under Hillary's going to hurt his chances, what with some of the unpopular things the Justice Ministry has done under Clinton (i.e.-continue the Conservative attack on civil liberties).
 
I'm still holding out for some kind of election scandal involving American Heritage. Something like when those two Libertarian MPs were arrested for hacking into the internal network of the Progressives during the last election.

You're not the only one. :D

Well, there would be problem with such a merger due to ownership, financing and programming. WBS is co-owned by the American Broadcasting System and a foundation owned by the states of California, Alaska, Nevada, and Columbia, and is financed by the federal television license for ABS and the state television license for regional public broadcasting. While the WCN on the other hand is fully owned and financed by the non profit conservative organization, the Christian Media Foundation.
And when it comes to programming, WBS airs general entertainment, documentaries, and impartial news, while WCN on the other hand only airs documentaries, news, and political commentaries with strong rightist poltical bias. Which is to be expected due to the Christian Media Foundation being chaired by that guy who was the American Heritage leader during the 80s.

Ah yes, we've experienced that problem with the creation of NET, but add in more players - the Catholic Television Center of the Archdiocese of Boston, the New England Jewish Broadcasting Cooperative, and the Trinity Broadcasting Network, and the universities, for example. An ingenious solution was devised whereby a New England Cooperative Broadcasting Council (who also has authority over NET's radio services, the Voice of New England) was established, encompassing not only the ABS but also a wide variety of universities, foundations and other non-profit organizations, cultural institutions, religious broadcasting organizations, independent programme contractors, AFN, and state-level public broadcasters so that everyone is on an equal footing. Financing is largely through a mixture of general taxation, the harmonized public subscription (essentially the federal television licence, the individual state radio and television licences, the Universal Service Fee, and TV translator taxes; payments split between electricity bills and an ad valorem property tax), advertising, donations, memberships, fee-for-carriage, and the like, so there is some equalization of funding. Programming's the big challenge, yes, so I'll reserve comment on that.

Yeah, the problem is that ABS keeps ordering more seasons of the damn thing so it keeps airing on national television. Still, the ratings have been doing poorly for the younger audience in later seasons, so ABS may just cancel it next year, since they are looking to attract a younger audience to the network.

Thank goodness - if they do cancel it, it'll be a step forward in its transition towards what I just described as the perfect soap opera season. I do know that ABS is probably thinking of picking up a few NET series, which is a good start. Ah, the wonders of local programming.
 
Who do you think will be the new leader if Clinton resigns, or is forced to resign?
I think that either Oberstar or the Obama fellow (Speaker of the House) are the two more likely candidates. Oberstar does have a lot of experience and seniorty due to havin had seats in the Cabinet. Now as Minister of Transportation and formerly the Minister of Justice under Al Gore, which would give him an advantage.
Still, Obama is also pretty experienced, having been our Ambassador to Sweden, Japan, Germany, Britain, and Secretary-General of the Commonwealth of Nations. Plus, he is very popular among younger voters.
It could really go either way.

I'm actually betting on Jeanne Shaheen for the Liberals. She's very popular here in New England, having extensively worked in state government and in both Parliament, as both a Senator and an MP, and the Cabinet as a Minister in about 4-5 different portfolios, not including Minister of Culture, Minister for the Commission on the Status of Women and Minister for the New England Opportunities and Economic Diversification Agency. She also has been consistent in terms of policy and has consistently criticized both Bush, McCain, and Clinton on their policies. She is also popular amongst women - more so than Clinton - and younger voters, amongst other areas, which is to her advantage. Even Tories admire her. What's not to love?
 
I'd also like to see him as a leader. Because with him at the helm, the Libertarians would sure be able to nab a few votes from the Tories, which would be benefitial for the Libs and Prog Dems.

Nah - Romney himself is pretty popular, but the current consensus among Tories is that if he were to be dismissed, Fred Thompson, Lincoln Chafee, or Michael Bloomberg would be the front-runners.
 
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