American Commonwealth 2010 election poll

Which party are you going to vote for in the election next month?


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OOC: You could have ridings alongside PR -say, a MMP or parallel voting system, or even AV+. ;) In fact, I was assuming AV+ or IRV or STV.

OOC: Yeah, I think from the way that this is going, I think maybe it would make a lot more sense for at least MMP to be used in order to get all of the minor parties we've had mentioned be elected. How about that there's a system similar to Germany's (half of the MPs are elected by FPTP & the other half elected by PR with a 5% threshold or having one at least 1 riding), but with only the 5 parties mentioned in the poll having a realistic shot at controlling Parliament?
 
EvilSpaceAlien, whereas in RI the Tories, Libs, and Greens all agree on focusing on eliminating corruption not only in the government and political system, but also in our society and economy; given that RI is basically the laughing-stock of the nation in terms of how corrupt our state is (not to mention the bailouts due to our ballooning deficit and debt during the last several non-Coalition Governments [which has finally been brought under control], thereby initiating comparisons with Greece or the Third World), that is a feat unto itself (hence why RI passed that law forbidding implementation of the Signals Intelligence Act - it was not due to privacy concerns, but because aspects of it violated both our state Constitution and much state-level anti-corruption legislation to begin with). From there came massive administrative reform, Constitutional reform, educational reform, legal reform, and economic reform which have greatly helped in reviving the state's fortunes, not to mention the pan-New England regionalism which the Coalition has wholeheartedly embraced (along with the other New England state Governments). I once read an article that stated that what Rhode Island has done has put it far ahead of even the Federal government in many areas - I guess when great minds think alike, things can only get better.

It is actually interesting, TBH, that the Progessives here basically have no anti-corruption platform - even more so since we are having a state election at the same time as the snap Parliamentary election, and being seen as "soft on corruption" is actually more damaging than any one piece of federal legislation. The Libertarians and American Heritage Party, moreover, are just as bad on this front - our previous state Government was a Libertarian/American Heritage coalition that tried its policies before, but that only created more problems than solutions (I voted for the Coalition) and made my state more of a pariah. Need I remind you of how damaging a good portion of its policies were, not to mention the bailouts due to the "funny math" and massaging of the numbers. which led to our credit rating downgraded to junk status? :mad: Needless to say, both of those parties have less than 1% support now.
 
OOC: Yeah, I think from the way that this is going, I think maybe it would make a lot more sense for at least MMP to be used in order to get all of the minor parties we've had mentioned be elected. How about that there's a system similar to Germany's (half of the MPs are elected by FPTP & the other half elected by PR with a 5% threshold or having one at least 1 riding), but with only the 5 parties mentioned in the poll having a realistic shot at controlling Parliament?

OOC: Sounds good to me.
 
Clinton sounded like a good choice to me last time, but her stances not only on Afghanistan but also the current Muslim minority in Manhattan being discriminated against is leading me to vote Progressive Democrat, something I only voted for at the local level last time...
 
OOC: I'm going to assume that Canada is part of the American Commonwealth as well, because I really see no reason why Canada would go for being a seperate nation when there's already a crown friendly nation to the south, with which they have a lot incommon. The State of Columbia, which I am referring to, is pretty much just northern Washington and British Columbia put together. It's capital is located in Vancouver.

EvilSpaceAlien, whereas in RI the Tories, Libs, and Greens all agree on focusing on eliminating corruption not only in the government and political system, but also in our society and economy; given that RI is basically the laughing-stock of the nation in terms of how corrupt our state is (not to mention the bailouts due to our ballooning deficit and debt during the last several non-Coalition Governments [which has finally been brought under control], thereby initiating comparisons with Greece or the Third World), that is a feat unto itself (hence why RI passed that law forbidding implementation of the Signals Intelligence Act - it was not due to privacy concerns, but because aspects of it violated both our state Constitution and much state-level anti-corruption legislation to begin with). From there came massive administrative reform, Constitutional reform, educational reform, legal reform, and economic reform which have greatly helped in reviving the state's fortunes, not to mention the pan-New England regionalism which the Coalition has wholeheartedly embraced (along with the other New England state Governments). I once read an article that stated that what Rhode Island has done has put it far ahead of even the Federal government in many areas - I guess when great minds think alike, things can only get better.

It is actually interesting, TBH, that the Progessives here basically have no anti-corruption platform - even more so since we are having a state election at the same time as the snap Parliamentary election, and being seen as "soft on corruption" is actually more damaging than any one piece of federal legislation. The Libertarians and American Heritage Party, moreover, are just as bad on this front - our previous state Government was a Libertarian/American Heritage coalition that tried its policies before, but that only created more problems than solutions (I voted for the Coalition) and made my state more of a pariah. Need I remind you of how damaging a good portion of its policies were, not to mention the bailouts due to the "funny math" and massaging of the numbers. which led to our credit rating downgraded to junk status? :mad: Needless to say, both of those parties have less than 1% support now.

Trust me, I definitely understand you.
We used to be ruled by a Liberal-Tory-Libertarian coalition for twelve years, and a lot of deregulation during their twelve years at power led to the housing bubble which deflated during '05 and '06, resulting in a credit crunch and bank insolvency. After the Progressive-Green-Pirate Party coalition got into power in '06 they immediately reacted to crisis by assuming the bad bank debts, however the banks had to write down losses and issue ownership interest to the state government in return.
By now the 5% of state product we spent on the banking rescue has almost been completely returned to the government due to sale of government stock in banks, it's looking we're going to have surplus by next year, and the Columbia Banking Corporation (17,9 % state owned), formed by the government merger of the banks Vancouver International, Commonwealth Bank of Columbia (isn't the HQ of Commonwealth Bank in Providence?), and Alexandria Mutual two years ago, is showing a profit for the first time since the start of crisis.

Plus, they have done a lot to improve public education, health care, and other welfare systems, which has been popular with a lot of people. Also, investment in constructionmaking it cheaper for film studios to film in Columbia, which is already huge in movie and tv production and making it easier for companies to invest in Columbia, which has contributed to a drop in unemployment stats and given our economy a real "kick".

And things ain't exactly going to well for the Liberals, Tories, or Libertarians. Hell, the Tories and Libertarians both lost all their seats in the state Parliament during the last election because they dropped below the 4 % threshold we've got here. Thus we have a lot of smaller and regional parties in state legislature. For example, Columbia is one of the few states where the Pirate Party is in state Parliament, and the only state which the party is in government. But since the Pirate Party was formed and has its HQ in Vancouver, it's not much of a surprise.
 
OOC: Eh, I was kinda just going for a USA that pretty much went its separate way from Britain around the same time as OTL, but remained part of the Commonwealth and got its own parliament/home rule instead of completely breaking off from Great Britain. I don't know if Canada would've joined or been allowed to join a Commonwealth US, but we can assume that the two merged instead of remaining separate nations sometime after Canada gained some degree of autonomy, with the US retaining much more political and social clout than what would be in OTL Canada in this commonwealth.

IC: Well, you can be assured that my state government (MN) has a lot of the problems that all the rest of you are having as well. Premier Pawlenty and his Conservative-Libertarian-Minnesota Reform (a local party that does pretty well in our state elections) coalition government has managed to epically mess up our state's finances even before the economy hit rock-bottom in '08. I'm glad that that bastards' going to try for a spot in Parliament, hopefully we'll get someone in charge of our state who can actually run it without just resorting to tax cuts and cutting essential services all the time:mad:. That's why I'm going to vote Progressive Dem. in my state riding, since the Liberals haven't got their act together in MN for a long time now (we usually have a Liberal-Prog. Dem delegation to Parliament but our state parliament hasn't had a leftist premier in almost 20 years, WTF?).

The only real reason I feel like voting Liberal for my riding is that Oberstar is the Minister of Transportation, and he's doing a damn fine job, if you ask me. It's too bad that he can't get Clinton to adopt a more liberal stance on all other things (Wall Street reform, foreign policy, our Ministry of Internal Security being a worthless boondoggle), but that's what happens when most of Clinton's cabinet are made up of "New Liberals".
 
OOC: I'm going to assume that Canada is part of the American Commonwealth as well, because I really see no reason why Canada would go for being a seperate nation when there's already a crown friendly nation to the south, with which they have a lot incommon. The State of Columbia, which I am referring to, is pretty much just northern Washington and British Columbia put together. It's capital is located in Vancouver.

OOC: Hmm, I guess it would make sense. In this case, I guess, Ontario and Quebec are just one giant state of Canada, to make things easier, and New England includes Nova Scotia (in TTL including OTL New Brunswick) and St. John's Island (aka PEI from OTL). As for Columbia - well, you could combine Oregon and Idaho into that for TTL purposes.

Trust me, I definitely understand you.
We used to be ruled by a Liberal-Tory-Libertarian coalition for twelve years, and a lot of deregulation during their twelve years at power led to the housing bubble which deflated during '05 and '06, resulting in a credit crunch and bank insolvency.

Ah yes, I see where you are in this case - at least you were lucky not to have a Libertarian/American Heritage coalition running your state. Boy, that was horrible - yes, the Tories and Liberals were equally corrupt, but at least they did manage to get stuff done (and if not, there were always some personalities that would help you out and cut through the red tape - the benefits of being in a small state :rolleyes:). The Progressives also helped at times, but - as with prior Tory and Liberal Governments - they got mired in scandals galore, and soon the kitty was dry (even when it reverted briefly to a Tory Government after the last Progressive Government). Then came the Libertarian/American Heritage coalition that lasted for 14 years, and it was just a disaster*. And this is in addition to the many Constitutional crises that coalition started, the many gaffes that became the butt of jokes on late-night TV, and the corruption that just skyrocketed (not to mention our experience with being in a police state - yeah, not fun). That well-publicized bankout (not to mention that that coalition's tax policies ensured that at the time of the bailout, there were bills that the state could not pay), along with our major banking crisis, was just the final straw, and now that the Coalition is in power (after the Tories and Libs going through a huge makeover which paid off), things have improved greatly.

*OOC: For this purpose, assume New Zealand/Russian/Latin American-style heavy deregulation and economic privatization, including an analogue to Australia's WorkChoices, to transform RI into something like Hong Kong or Singapore, but became a major disaster and turned RI into a hugely corrupt mess akin to Modern Greece with a huge amount of anarcho-capitalism and the enactment of policies which are perceived to be totalitarian (think worse than Patriot Act or akin to what was in place during WW1) or consistent with the far right or semi-paleoconservative/semi-neocon/neoliberal. Freedom of movement in this case would be like the OTL West Bank.

After the Progressive-Green-Pirate Party coalition got into power in '06 they immediately reacted to crisis by assuming the bad bank debts, however the banks had to write down losses and issue ownership interest to the state government in return.
By now the 5% of state product we spent on the banking rescue has almost been completely returned to the government due to sale of government stock in banks, it's looking we're going to have surplus by next year, and the Columbia Banking Corporation (17,9 % state owned), formed by the government merger of the banks Vancouver International, Commonwealth Bank of Columbia (isn't the HQ of Commonwealth Bank in Providence?), and Alexandria Mutual two years ago, is showing a profit for the first time since the start of crisis.

Plus, they have done a lot to improve public education, health care, and other welfare systems, which has been popular with a lot of people. Also, investment in constructionmaking it cheaper for film studios to film in Columbia, which is already huge in movie and tv production and making it easier for companies to invest in Columbia, which has contributed to a drop in unemployment stats and given our economy a real "kick".

Same thing with the Coalition here in RI - though we had declared several "bank holidays" to ensure some stability (yes, it was THAT bad) and because the corruption permeated everything, even during the Libertarian/American Heritage coalition, the entire society had to be recreated - as one Tory MGA put it, RI at the time of the election "resembled a war zone or Somalia". So far, it seems that our new "social market economy" has rejuvenated RI's economy, as well as the rebuilding of public services and the pan-New England regionalism, which has allowed RI to share resources and public services with other New England states. (OK, so the Coalition decided to retain REAL ID/EICs + internal passports anyway, despite objections, so that's one downside - then again, the whole thing was restructured and reformed greatly so that it is now less of a nuisance than before.) Interestingly, thanks to the efforts of the Coalition, the entire New England region is going to have a single public broadcaster for the entire region (with some help from AFN), supposedly to be called NET (don't ask me what it stands for), which will be launching next month. Seriously - there has been so much that has been done in 4 years then during all the prior Governments that I'd definitely vote for the Coalition again - or, in my case, for the Tories. Interesting, there is now talk that the Pirate Party here may also join the Coalition.

BTW - you must be confusing Commonwealth Bank with either Citizens Bank or the Old Stone Bank. Commonwealth Bank is a State Street bank.

And things ain't exactly going to well for the Liberals, Tories, or Libertarians. Hell, the Tories and Libertarians both lost all their seats in the state Parliament during the last election because they dropped below the 4 % threshold we've got here. Thus we have a lot of smaller and regional parties in state legislature. For example, Columbia is one of the few states where the Pirate Party is in state Parliament, and the only state which the party is in government. But since the Pirate Party was formed and has its HQ in Vancouver, it's not much of a surprise.

Same thing here with both the Libertarians and the American Heritage Party - no one will be caught dead voting for them now - as well as our post-2006 situation. Our AV+ electoral system for the House of Delegates of the General Assembly, instituted as part of our electoral reforms, will be tested during our state election, so it will be exciting. Still, the Pirates have a few seats in the General Assembly, and they too have helped a lot (remember the Creative Commons Act? :cool:), and that goes for a few of the small parties here - even the classical liberals who were disgusted with the Libertarian/American Heritage coalition. So that's a good sign that we're getting a healthy political system again.
 
OOC: Eh, I was kinda just going for a USA that pretty much went its separate way from Britain around the same time as OTL, but remained part of the Commonwealth and got its own parliament/home rule instead of completely breaking off from Great Britain. I don't know if Canada would've joined or been allowed to join a Commonwealth US, but we can assume that the two merged instead of remaining separate nations sometime after Canada gained some degree of autonomy, with the US retaining much more political and social clout than what would be in OTL Canada in this commonwealth.

OOC: For TTL purposes, let's just assume Canada is part of the US, as a TTL state covering OTL Ontario and Quebec (minus Northern Quebec and the OTL MRC Caniapiscau).

IC: Well, you can be assured that my state government (MN) has a lot of the problems that all the rest of you are having as well. Premier Pawlenty and his Conservative-Libertarian-Minnesota Reform (a local party that does pretty well in our state elections) coalition government has managed to epically mess up our state's finances even before the economy hit rock-bottom in '08. I'm glad that that bastards' going to try for a spot in Parliament, hopefully we'll get someone in charge of our state who can actually run it without just resorting to tax cuts and cutting essential services all the time:mad:. That's why I'm going to vote Progressive Dem. in my state riding, since the Liberals haven't got their act together in MN for a long time now (we usually have a Liberal-Prog. Dem delegation to Parliament but our state parliament hasn't had a leftist premier in almost 20 years, WTF?).

I hear you, buddy. I just hope the Tories there have a change of heart and ditch the Libertarians and Reform Party before it's too late.

The only real reason I feel like voting Liberal for my riding is that Oberstar is the Minister of Transportation, and he's doing a damn fine job, if you ask me. It's too bad that he can't get Clinton to adopt a more liberal stance on all other things (Wall Street reform, foreign policy, our Ministry of Internal Security being a worthless boondoggle), but that's what happens when most of Clinton's cabinet are made up of "New Liberals".

Personally, I'd wish the Ministry of Internal Security was either abolished altogether or subsumed under the Justice Ministry (with some functions transferred to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and International Trade), which is exactly what happened here in RI - our Ministry for Peace and State Security was abolished outright, with some functions transferred to the Justice Ministry. We also abolished our Ministry of Information and Public Enlightenment outright, BTW - I've yet to see the Federal government abolish the Ministry of Information, though.
 
I might be alone here, but the monarchy is expensive, unnecessary, and does not represent America. Therefore, I am voting for the Republican Party, which currently only has one MP, Russ Feingold. I'll either vote to get a republic which represents the American spirit or lead my own revolution. Oh, and I intend to take Canada with us.


Down with the queen!
 
I might be alone here, but the monarchy is expensive, unnecessary, and does not represent America. Therefore, I am voting for the Republican Party, which currently only has one MP, Russ Feingold. I'll either vote to get a republic which represents the American spirit or lead my own revolution. Oh, and I intend to take Canada with us.

Oh, c'mon - you know better than that, after all the scandals and the fact that they want the *President to be elected by Parliament, not to mention that whole areas of the country would not stand for that and the Aboriginals would be in an uproar - not just the State of Canada - and republicanism in general has been tainted by association with the American Heritage party. Seriously.
 
Wrong Republican Party. You're thinking of the American Heritage republicans. I'm voting for the left-wing, social-democratic Republican candidate in my district, Joe Snyder.

And though I'd prefer the president to be elected by the people, a parliamentary-chosen president better represents us than an 80 year-old British woman. Every American child needs to have a chance of being their nation's head of state.

Why would the Aboriginal peoples care? As long as we give them the same or even better treatment, they'll be fine.

And better yet, we need a flag that represents us, not our pommie masters in Westminster.
 
Wrong Republican Party. You're thinking of the American Heritage republicans. I'm voting for the left-wing, social-democratic Republican candidate in my district, Joe Snyder.

No, I'm actually pretty clear that I'm referring to the Republicans that you and I are talking about, having gone through the horror that is an American Heritage Government (as part of a coalition government) an fortunately lived to see their plebiscite on a republic unanimously defeated. Both the left-wing and the right-wing are in the Republican Party, but it is in the minority of what is an overwhelmingly right-wing movement.

And though I'd prefer the president to be elected by the people, a parliamentary-chosen president better represents us than an 80 year-old British woman. Every American child needs to have a chance of being their nation's head of state.

There is nothing wrong with having a lady who is above all influence since she is neutral on many of the political questions of the day, a primus inter pares (first among equals), which I find is a good thing (having a partisan head of state like a President just sends shivers up my spine, as would the instability that would result from a partisan head of state). She is widely adored by the people, and she likes our country very much, so it makes it all the more important with our Special Relationship. It also costs us nothing to retain the monarchy, and even the GG files tax returns and gives back to the community, which is an added bonus; it would be more expensive to maintain a Presidency. Plus, the GG himself/herself is also representative of America, which even you should admit, and fulfills all your criteria whilst still maintaining the connection to the monarchy.

Why would the Aboriginal peoples care? As long as we give them the same or even better treatment, they'll be fine.

Because all the treaties are in the name of the Crown, so the Crown is an important part of the relationship with the Aboriginals. If the US ever became a republic - which is highly unlikely, IMO - then there would be huge problems, as it would imply that the treaties are broken and thus create major Constitutional crises.

And better yet, we need a flag that represents us, not our pommie masters in Westminster.

We already have one, alongside the Red Ensign. I'm assuming that you are not amused with the current flag?
 
Eh, I'd kind of like not having a Queen, but let's be realistic: there's no way that the Republican Party is even picking up ONE riding in Parliament other than Feingold's (mostly because he & the Prog. Dems. see eye-to-eye on pretty much everything besides the monarchy and because they'd rather have a Progressive Democrat-all-but-in-name than who ever would take the seat if they split the vote with Feingold), and they regularly fail to reach the national election threshold. Not to mention, too many people still like old Liz (although Charles is another story :p:rolleyes:), and it'd seem like quite a shame to just boot her out for a career politician to be a figurehead for the prime minister.

Also, you know how hard it would be to decide on a way to pick an American president? I've even heard proposals floated around to establish an "electoral college" weighed between states, with the winner of the "electoral college" becoming president, even if they'd lost the popular vote.

I mean, and people say our system is undemocratic now, wait 'til they get a president who doesn't even need to win the popular vote! That's one reason why I'm glad FDR was able to pass the Fair Representation Act through Parliament back in the 30s, even if it led to some pretty unsavory MPs (anyone remember that Virginia once had that Neo-Nazi George Rockwell representing one of their PR seats & the infamous David Duke as a long-time MP from Louisiana:mad:?).
 
No, I'm actually pretty clear that I'm referring to the Republicans that you and I are talking about, having gone through the horror that is an American Heritage Government (as part of a coalition government) an fortunately lived to see their plebiscite on a republic unanimously defeated. Both the left-wing and the right-wing are in the Republican Party, but it is in the minority of what is an overwhelmingly right-wing movement.

I still find it amazing that the Republican and American Heritage parties both want an American republic, but are total opposites of each other (the Republicans being a leftist, sane party & the American Heritage being a xenophobic rightist party). And ouch, an American Heritage government?:eek: Don't even say those words!


There is nothing wrong with having a lady who is above all influence since she is neutral on many of the political questions of the day, a primus inter pares (first among equals), which I find is a good thing (having a partisan head of state like a President just sends shivers up my spine, as would the instability that would result from a partisan head of state).

This is an especially good argument. I mean, even if most of the proposals are just making a figurehead presidency like the Germany's, there'd always be the possibility of having a PM of one party and a president of the other. I mean, can you imagine how worse it would be if instead of debating things like rowdy animals in Parliament, they'd be doing it across branches of government?!

She is widely adored by the people, and she likes our country very much, so it makes it all the more important with our Special Relationship. It also costs us nothing to retain the monarchy, and even the GG files tax returns and gives back to the community, which is an added bonus; it would be more expensive to maintain a Presidency. Plus, the GG himself/herself is also representative of America, which even you should admit, and fulfills all your criteria whilst still maintaining the connection to the monarchy.

Yeah, I think this also a pretty good analogy. I mean, don't get me wrong, I don't really like that the PM recommends which GG to the Queen without the cabinet or parliament even being considered, but I think most of them have done a very good job of being impartial representatives of the Queen. Powell has done a spectacular job, IMHO, even if he royally pissed off the Conservatives by not bending over backwards to support Bush during his premiership (I still think his line about "I didn't realize that the prime minister was 'The Decider' when it comes to the Crown's soldiers. I thought it was up to Parliament and the Cabinet, but I could be mistaken." to be a pretty stinging rebuke to Bush's arrogant trampling over the law during his tenure).

Because all the treaties are in the name of the Crown, so the Crown is an important part of the relationship with the Aboriginals. If the US ever became a republic - which is highly unlikely, IMO - then there would be huge problems, as it would imply that the treaties are broken and thus create major Constitutional crises.

True, although I don't think many of the Aboriginals would really mind all that much. Most of the reserves that they have would just like more funding and economic opportunities from Philadelphia, but there'd always be some that would try to weasel out of some of the more (or less) onerous treaties we've imposed on them.

OOC: Since I doubt Great Britain would approve of the new capital being Washington (named for a rebellious general and created after the Revolutionary War/American Revolution), I made the capital city Philadelphia instead.

We already have one, alongside the Red Ensign. I'm assuming that you are not amused with the current flag?

I don't really get this whole argument. I mean, what's there to be ashamed of that we have the Union Jack on our flag? Other than putting up with a ton of snotty British tourists pointing it out whenever they come over here?
 
I still find it amazing that the Republican and American Heritage parties both want an American republic, but are total opposites of each other (the Republicans being a leftist, sane party & the American Heritage being a xenophobic rightist party). And ouch, an American Heritage government?:eek: Don't even say those words!

Well, a Libertarian/American Heritage coalition that turned to be just as kleptocratic as it was totalitarian, but yeah - you get the picture. Apparently the American Heritage are just as corrupt as the rest of us, as we learned pretty fast - I still remember an old joke about "the Bureau of Chairs, the Bureau of Tables, the Bureau of Bureaus, et. al." regarding their patronage system which far outshone any from the prior Governments. (I even got arrested for singing this song because it was not in English, but in Greek, though I bribed the cop so that I could get released, and added an extra bribe to ensure that it didn't get into my criminal record.) Thank goodness that nightmare's over.

Yeah, I think this also a pretty good analogy. I mean, don't get me wrong, I don't really like that the PM recommends which GG to the Queen without the cabinet or parliament even being considered, but I think most of them have done a very good job of being impartial representatives of the Queen. Powell has done a spectacular job, IMHO, even if he royally pissed off the Conservatives by not bending over backwards to support Bush during his premiership (I still think his line about "I didn't realize that the prime minister was 'The Decider' when it comes to the Crown's soldiers. I thought it was up to Parliament and the Cabinet, but I could be mistaken." to be a pretty stinging rebuke to Bush's arrogant trampling over the law during his tenure).

I agree with you there - I thought Powell is doing an excellent job (many New England Tories like myself would agree with that, and many New England Tories liked Powell's continuous snubbing of Bush). Though, TBH, I wished Peter MacKay was chosen instead of Romney as the Tory candidate - apparently he's very popular with the ladies (and some guys, too). :D


True, although I don't think many of the Aboriginals would really mind all that much. Most of the reserves that they have would just like more funding and economic opportunities from Philadelphia, but there'd always be some that would try to weasel out of some of the more (or less) onerous treaties we've imposed on them.

OOC: Since I doubt Great Britain would approve of the new capital being Washington (named for a rebellious general and created after the Revolutionary War/American Revolution), I made the capital city Philadelphia instead.

OOC: Good idea.

IC: True, but it is the concept of nationhood that is very important to them, as is their relationship with the Crown. Break one of those two pillars and you'd create a shitstorm. Hence why several states have reserved seats in their Parliaments reserved for Aboriginals, and why there is Aboriginal representation in the Senate.

I don't really get this whole argument. I mean, what's there to be ashamed of that we have the Union Jack on our flag? Other than putting up with a ton of snotty British tourists pointing it out whenever they come over here?

I agree, even though the alternate national flag is just as beautiful. I still prefer the Red Ensign, but I try not to offend anyone by flying both.
 
IC: Well, you can be assured that my state government (MN) has a lot of the problems that all the rest of you are having as well. Premier Pawlenty and his Conservative-Libertarian-Minnesota Reform (a local party that does pretty well in our state elections) coalition government has managed to epically mess up our state's finances even before the economy hit rock-bottom in '08. I'm glad that that bastards' going to try for a spot in Parliament, hopefully we'll get someone in charge of our state who can actually run it without just resorting to tax cuts and cutting essential services all the time:mad:. That's why I'm going to vote Progressive Dem. in my state riding, since the Liberals haven't got their act together in MN for a long time now (we usually have a Liberal-Prog. Dem delegation to Parliament but our state parliament hasn't had a leftist premier in almost 20 years, WTF?).

The only real reason I feel like voting Liberal for my riding is that Oberstar is the Minister of Transportation, and he's doing a damn fine job, if you ask me. It's too bad that he can't get Clinton to adopt a more liberal stance on all other things (Wall Street reform, foreign policy, our Ministry of Internal Security being a worthless boondoggle), but that's what happens when most of Clinton's cabinet are made up of "New Liberals".

Tell me about it. You know, whenever the rightist parties are in power I always get the feelign that they are just cutting taxes on a purely ideological basis, without think of what it will do to state finances and essential services.

Yeah, I agree that Oberstar is doing a great job. Unfortunately, Clinton and the Liberals have started to move away from their roots and towards more classical liberal policies in an effort to nab votes from the Tories, though according to the latest poll it backfired.

If I remember correctly, the jist of the poll was that the Prog Dems would be the biggest party, Tories would become bigger than the Libs for the first time in something like 30 years, American Heritage would end up below the 5% threshold (yay!), not a lot of changes for the Greens, Libertarians and Communists, and the Pirates would get into Parliament by a narrow margin. I'm hoping that this is what happens on election day.

Ah yes, I see where you are in this case - at least you were lucky not to have a Libertarian/American Heritage coalition running your state. Boy, that was horrible - yes, the Tories and Liberals were equally corrupt, but at least they did manage to get stuff done (and if not, there were always some personalities that would help you out and cut through the red tape - the benefits of being in a small state :rolleyes:). The Progressives also helped at times, but - as with prior Tory and Liberal Governments - they got mired in scandals galore, and soon the kitty was dry (even when it reverted briefly to a Tory Government after the last Progressive Government). Then came the Libertarian/American Heritage coalition that lasted for 14 years, and it was just a disaster*. And this is in addition to the many Constitutional crises that coalition started, the many gaffes that became the butt of jokes on late-night TV, and the corruption that just skyrocketed (not to mention our experience with being in a police state - yeah, not fun). That well-publicized bankout (not to mention that that coalition's tax policies ensured that at the time of the bailout, there were bills that the state could not pay), along with our major banking crisis, was just the final straw, and now that the Coalition is in power (after the Tories and Libs going through a huge makeover which paid off), things have improved greatly.

*OOC: For this purpose, assume New Zealand/Russian/Latin American-style heavy deregulation and economic privatization, including an analogue to Australia's WorkChoices, to transform RI into something like Hong Kong or Singapore, but became a major disaster and turned RI into a hugely corrupt mess akin to Modern Greece with a huge amount of anarcho-capitalism and the enactment of policies which are perceived to be totalitarian (think worse than Patriot Act or akin to what was in place during WW1) or consistent with the far right or semi-paleoconservative/semi-neocon/neoliberal. Freedom of movement in this case would be like the OTL West Bank.

Yeah, from what you're telling me, I'm sure glad we didn't have something like that. Still, American Heritage hasn't been able to get a single seat in our Assembly for 40 years. They're pretty much non-existent over here, but the Cascadian Independence Movement has a similar ideology.

Here's the parties that are currently in our unicameral Assembly (in order of size):
Progressive Democrats of Columbia (leader of the ruling coalition)
Green Party of Columbia (ruling coalition)
Liberal Party of Columbia (leader of the opposition)
Pirate Party of Columbia (ruling coalition)
The Health Care Party (opposition) (only present in CU)
Cascadian Independence Movement (opposition) (only present in CU)
Direct Democracy (independent centrist) (only present in CU)

Same thing with the Coalition here in RI - though we had declared several "bank holidays" to ensure some stability (yes, it was THAT bad) and because the corruption permeated everything, even during the Libertarian/American Heritage coalition, the entire society had to be recreated - as one Tory MGA put it, RI at the time of the election "resembled a war zone or Somalia". So far, it seems that our new "social market economy" has rejuvenated RI's economy, as well as the rebuilding of public services and the pan-New England regionalism, which has allowed RI to share resources and public services with other New England states. (OK, so the Coalition decided to retain REAL ID/EICs + internal passports anyway, despite objections, so that's one downside - then again, the whole thing was restructured and reformed greatly so that it is now less of a nuisance than before.) Interestingly, thanks to the efforts of the Coalition, the entire New England region is going to have a single public broadcaster for the entire region (with some help from AFN), supposedly to be called NET (don't ask me what it stands for), which will be launching next month. Seriously - there has been so much that has been done in 4 years then during all the prior Governments that I'd definitely vote for the Coalition again - or, in my case, for the Tories. Interesting, there is now talk that the Pirate Party here may also join the Coalition.

BTW - you must be confusing Commonwealth Bank with either Citizens Bank or the Old Stone Bank. Commonwealth Bank is a State Street bank.

Yikes. It didn't realize that RI had that much problems.
We already have a single public broadcaster over here on the west coast. The Western Broadcasting System (WBS). Yes, they're responsible for making that awful ABS soap Cloverdale. *ducks to avoid being hit by rotten tomatoes*
I feel the same way you do, but with the Progressives instead of the Tories. They did so much for our economy that the others couldn't, that I am definitely voting for them again.

Oh, right. I keep getting Citizens Bank and Commonwealth Bank mixed up for some reason.

OOC: For TTL purposes, let's just assume Canada is part of the US, as a TTL state covering OTL Ontario and Quebec (minus Northern Quebec and the OTL MRC Caniapiscau).

OOC: Yeah, no argument from me.

I might be alone here, but the monarchy is expensive, unnecessary, and does not represent America. Therefore, I am voting for the Republican Party, which currently only has one MP, Russ Feingold. I'll either vote to get a republic which represents the American spirit or lead my own revolution. Oh, and I intend to take Canada with us.


Down with the queen!

The Monarchy doesn't cost us a penny. The Royal family are financing themselves by all the money they've earned over the years by investing. We only pay taxes to preserve historical monuments such as castles, which they happen to reside in when they are over here for a visit.

Yeah, I think this also a pretty good analogy. I mean, don't get me wrong, I don't really like that the PM recommends which GG to the Queen without the cabinet or parliament even being considered, but I think most of them have done a very good job of being impartial representatives of the Queen. Powell has done a spectacular job, IMHO, even if he royally pissed off the Conservatives by not bending over backwards to support Bush during his premiership (I still think his line about "I didn't realize that the prime minister was 'The Decider' when it comes to the Crown's soldiers. I thought it was up to Parliament and the Cabinet, but I could be mistaken." to be a pretty stinging rebuke to Bush's arrogant trampling over the law during his tenure).

Powell was indeed a great GG. He's one of the few people I respect for not being a pawn of Bush.

True, although I don't think many of the Aboriginals would really mind all that much. Most of the reserves that they have would just like more funding and economic opportunities from Philadelphia, but there'd always be some that would try to weasel out of some of the more (or less) onerous treaties we've imposed on them.

OOC: Since I doubt Great Britain would approve of the new capital being Washington (named for a rebellious general and created after the Revolutionary War/American Revolution), I made the capital city Philadelphia instead.

OOC: That makes sense.

I don't really get this whole argument. I mean, what's there to be ashamed of that we have the Union Jack on our flag? Other than putting up with a ton of snotty British tourists pointing it out whenever they come over here?

Yeah, I like our current flag. It's beautiful, I'm proud of it, and I can easily put up with a few snotty tourists.
 
Yeah, I agree that Oberstar is doing a great job. Unfortunately, Clinton and the Liberals have started to move away from their roots and towards more classical liberal policies in an effort to nab votes from the Tories, though according to the latest poll it backfired.

Umm, weren't the Liberals originally the classical liberals in the first place? Just wondering.

Yeah, from what you're telling me, I'm sure glad we didn't have something like that. Still, American Heritage hasn't been able to get a single seat in our Assembly for 40 years. They're pretty much non-existent over here, but the Cascadian Independence Movement has a similar ideology.

Sounds good. Besides, at least there is one positive - the RI branch of the American Heritage party will probably be closing down soon. :cool:

Yikes. It didn't realize that RI had that much problems.

Yeah, even I was surprised.

We already have a single public broadcaster over here on the west coast. The Western Broadcasting System (WBS). Yes, they're responsible for making that awful ABS soap Cloverdale. *ducks to avoid being hit by rotten tomatoes*

Ah, that was the one that evolved from both the Knowledge Network and the Columbia Broadcasting Service, right? Not bad. :cool: And don't worry about the whole Cloverdale thing - I, for one, liked it.

I feel the same way you do, but with the Progressives instead of the Tories. They did so much for our economy that the others couldn't, that I am definitely voting for them again.

I can definitely agree with that.

Yeah, I like our current flag. It's beautiful, I'm proud of it, and I can easily put up with a few snotty tourists.

I definitely agree with you there.
 
ok my Riding (Keene-by-Ashuelot)

Liberals: MP Paul Hodes
Progressives: Ann McLane Kuster
Conservatives: Charlie Bass
Socialist: Chuck Weed
Communist: Ian Freeman
Green: Julia Imbarrato
American Heritage: Jennifer Horn
That Looks like The Load out, Black Angel ...

Although, did you Hear that Governor General Barack Obama, on The Advice of PM Hillary Clinton of Course, May Appoint MP Paul Hodes to The Senate, Instead?

Now, While it would be Nice to See My MP in The Blue Chamber, his Heir Apparent as Liberal Candidate in My Riding, is The Wife of Former MP Dick Swett, Unique Name that What, Katrina Swett ...

Unfortunately, After her Recent Speech in Canterbury-upon-Soucook, in Which she Took The Progressive Candidate to Task for The Allegedly Un-Progressive Lobbying Efforts, in her Past ...

I would be Thus Forced, to Vote for Ann McLane Kuster, Should she and Katrina Swett, Ever be Found Facing Each Other in an Electoral Contest!
 
Umm, weren't the Liberals originally the classical liberals in the first place? Just wondering.

Yeah, way back when it was called the United American Party, but after they merged with the Center Party in the 30s and became the Liberal Party, they started to move more towards social liberalism. Now they seem to be moving back to classical liberalism.

Sounds good. Besides, at least there is one positive - the RI branch of the American Heritage party will probably be closing down soon. :cool:

Indeed. And American Heritage's celebration of being an active political party for 100 years is coming up next year. I've got the perfect slogan for the occasion. "American Heritage: Being a pain in the arse of American politics for the last 100 years." I think it's catchy. :cool:


Ah, that was the one that evolved from both the Knowledge Network and the Columbia Broadcasting Service, right? Not bad. :cool: And don't worry about the whole Cloverdale thing - I, for one, liked it.

No, you're thinking of the West Coast Network, WBS' rival. WBS was formed by the merger of the California State Broadcasting Service, Nevada Broadcasting Network, Alaska Television Service, and the Columbia Television Consortium way back in the late 50s.
Well, I used to like Cloverdale too, but I just think it has had a huge drop in quality recently. Which is understandable because it's been on the air since 1983. They should just give it a rest already.
 
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