American Civil War ends in a stalemate

1b) As bad as it would be to lose Grant and Sherman, there remain: G. Thomas; CF Smith; AM McCook; HG Wright; DC Buell; Rosecrans; AJ Smith; Sheridan; Canby; etc. All have both weaknesses and strengths, but come on - AS Johnston? Bragg? Price? Polk? Hardee? (okay, maybe Hardee)...

Even Union commanders who were losers in Virginia - Burnside, Pope, Pleasanton, were winners elsewhere. It says something when Bragg was probably the second most successful Confederate commander.
 

TFSmith121

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True; heck, Banks beat Stonewall at Kernstown...

Even Union commanders who were losers in Virginia - Burnside, Pope, Pleasanton, were winners elsewhere. It says something when Bragg was probably the second most successful Confederate commander.


True; heck, Banks beat Stonewall at Kernstown...

You get past Lee, and the list of army-level commanders who "won" one is thin:

1. Lee
2. Bragg
3. um....

The Johnstons and Price don't really cut it...Richard Taylor?

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TFSmith121

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I think the idea that Hooker basically suffered a concussion

Many of Lee's victories were the result of the opposing commander being psychologically cowed by Lee fame, somewhat like british commanders in north Africa being consistently beaten by Rommel until that Montgomery guy came in :D.

If at Chancellorsville Hooker had kept a cool head...

I think the idea that Hooker basically suffered a concussion may have some merit to it; he was a lot of things, but he certainly did not have a lack of nerve in the field otherwise, in Virginia or Tennessee.

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Stalemate how long? Lincoln was right: the situation couldn't last. And sooner or later, the North was going to retake the South; whether before slavery died there or after, IDK, but I'd bet you see a "war of liberation" on behalf of Southern slaves before too very long--& this one might have Brit backing of the Federals.:eek:
 
And there are many points of tension between the Union and the Confederacy:

-Unionist Enclaves; roughly forming a giant wedge over the Appalachian Mountains and consisting of perhaps a third of Tennessee and reaching into Georgia.
-Transit Rights on the Mississippi River. This is an essential route for trade and in earlier times, possibly worth rapprochement with the UK to drive out the French.
-The Fate of USCTs, Contrabands and freemen re-enslaved by the Confederates.
-Debts owed as part of the United States.
-Federal Property stolen from the United States.
-The Underground Railroad moving from the Canadian Border to something like Chattanooga or perhaps Central Virginia
-Abuse of Union PoWs during the war.
-Indian Territory (Modern Oklahoma)
To these I’d add:
-The fate of white Unionists. Roughly 10% of draft age white men from Confederate states served in the Union Army.
-The Confederate government confiscated the property of all people living in Union states.
- Confederate commerce raiding on Union shipping.
 
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