America becomes isolated

Onyx

Banned
So I played Resistance, and the timeline mostly involved that Spain gave independence to Cuba and the Phillipines, thus making the US less expanionist, and starts to isolate itself from the world.

Is there any way this can happen, excluding ala, Evil Alien/Chimaera invasion?
btw, Resistance is 1337 and pwns Halo, suck it Xbot n00bs :D
 
So I played Resistance, and the timeline mostly involved that Spain gave independence to Cuba and the Phillipines, thus making the US less expanionist, and starts to isolate itself from the world.

Is there any way this can happen, excluding ala, Evil Alien/Chimaera invasion?
btw, Resistance is 1337 and pwns Halo, suck it Xbot n00bs :D

A more isolated US is certainly feasible in the first half of the 20th century, but as time goes on, economic development inevitably mean that the US will become more internationally involved, as it tries to gain a dominant position in foreign markets, secure access to foreign oil, etc. And the minute that someone manages to marry an atom bomb to an ICBM, well...

If you posit some sort "Third Great Awakening" followed by a religious revolution in the first half of the 20th century that leads to the US becoming an agrarian antitechnological theocracy, and the rest of the world remains relatively civilized, I suppose you could have sort of a US "hermit kingdom" in 2009. But it's hardly a high-probability scenario.

I suppose you might also have some sort of Old World Becomes Nuke-Armed Crapsack World scenario in which the US isolates itself in the Western Hemisphere. But I suspect it takes Latin America and Canada at least in with it.

Bruce
 
There are a lot of ways that America could become a totally isolationist.

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Seriously though, the US was trying to isolate itself from Europe during the early part of the 20th century. That's why it took so long for them to enter both World Wars. All America needs is a small shove in that direction and it could be completely isolationist. But as B_Munro said, with the advent of ICBMs, America would have to accept that having oceans on either side was no longer enough to protect them and that they'd need to be more proactive in foreign policy.
 
There are a lot of ways that America could become a totally isolationist.

<INSERT SHAMELESS PLUG FOR MY TL HERE>

Seriously though, the US was trying to isolate itself from Europe during the early part of the 20th century. That's why it took so long for them to enter both World Wars. All America needs is a small shove in that direction and it could be completely isolationist.

Yes, those funny-talking Europeans and their Bolshevik tendencies. (After all, around the turn of the century it was fairly liberal to hold that Italians were proper white people). Still, the US wasn't isolationist when it came to Latin America: Putting Our Oar in, especially in the Caribbean and Central America, was our God-and-Washington given right. And then there's always the Phillipines and Japan. (The Japanese mucking around in East Asia and China irritated the US rather more, I suspect, than if a European power had been doing it).

Bruce
 
Here you go, have the US get involved in WWI earlier than OTL, as such it is less popular at home since the support hasn't had enough time to build. Also casualties are higher, so the war would be much less popular in the US. Butterfly away FDR being elected either by having him die in the assasination, or just not get elected. Have america adopt a stonger economic protectionist attitude during the depression and maybe even have a strong belief in blaming foreigners for the depression itself. Without FDR in office you could butterfly away sanctions against Japan, and thus Pearl Harbor. Britain without US support bows out of the war probably by 43 or 44, and the war ends with Soviet troops along the Channel coast of France maybe by 46 or 47. The manhattan project is butterflied away probably and the german project bears no fruit as in OTL, stalin may decide that Nukes are of no valid use in war and concentrate on conventional weapons. England is that last bastion of freedom in Europe and the US decides to adopt a "Fortress America" attitude. The US and UK have minor dealings but nothing substantial. Without nukes available, and no competition with the US military doctrine is still centered around a bomber based strategy. You might get to see the first A-bomb prototype designs show up by maybe the late 60's. Now soviet foreign policy IOTL was largely predicated upon the belief that NATO was planning on invading the Soviet Union, without Allied forces on continental Europe, and with the US content to stay on its own side of the Oceans the Soviets may well be content to do the same while trying to spread communism through more covert means. As such you may not see the US try to come out of its cave until maybe as late as the start of the 21st century.
 

Onyx

Banned
Nice
I was kinda hoping for a Pre-WWI though
Since many people at first didnt want to go to war

Lets say in order:
France invades Mexico and succeeds, this would make the US less comfortable with the European powers since they just invaded a country below them.
No Spanish-American War
McKinely along with Teddy lose the elections or Czgolz manages to kill them both, when Teddy decides he should go to the World Fair
The declaration of war against the Central Powers is denied (Take that Wilson!)
America does't admit Hawaii and Alaska as states
The Stock exchange does not collapse
 
I could see us not getting involved in Hawaii, but Alaska doesn't seem likely, since we already owned the place long before any of the PODs here... it's bound to become a state sooner or later. Without the SAW, the US never has suzerainty over the Phillipines (or Cuba), so WW2 could just be avoided. WW1 is fairly easy to avoid, since we had little reason to get involved in OTL, and public opinion was highly against it. However...

I think anyone who sits in as President during either war will be uneasy over the idea of Germany taking over the Continent (public opinion in the US was overwhelmingly in favor of the Allies). If the US stays out of both wars, I'd imagine that we'd still become a lender/arms supplier for the Allies. Also, if Japan takes over the Hawaiian islands, I imagine the US would be rather unhappy with that...
 
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