Alternatives to Antisemitism ?

@MortimerWClankitybritches and @MERRICA
Britain would fit in that it is 'globally active' for centuries, making it a possible source of "all the evil" of the current world.

Though it could make things for racism somewhat messy, as of their 'germanic, anglo-saxon' origin. Same counts for the french with their origins of the clearly germanic 'Francs' mingled later with some 'West Goths' elements.

Pretty much all nazi racism was contradictory and illogical (in other news water is wet and fire is hot). Heck the sole reason that the white, barbarian descended, history-of-antisemitism-having, mongol/turkish-invader-fighting (all factors that would usually make any nazi ideologist cream themselves) Slavs were declared filthy untermensch seems to be because they had land the Nazis wanted coupled with Hitler's personal dislike of them. Wrangling together reasons why the British and French were subhuman scum deserving of conquest and extermination would not be too difficult for the likes of Goebbels. It doesnt have to make sense once one looks closely at it, only appeal to the emotions of the angry and scared.

Stretching it even further, than an assumed anti-brits position : bring them (and the regions they live in) into the german empire as their language shows they are german ?

That would not fit with the "replace Jews as main nazi scapegoat/boogyman" thing though.
 
hmmm, ... how to make the french 'guilty for everthing' worldwide ?

Piece of piss.

"The French revolution destroyed the glorious old order of Europe and the subhuman gaul peasants murdered their benevolent Germanic aristocracy, after which Napoleon betrayed and conquered Germany and attempted to exterminate its population before being driven out by our heroic forfathers. From then onwards the filthy proto-bolshevik French have worked to thwart Germany from attaining its proper place in the world. Also all french culture is ripped off from German culture because reasons"

Boom. Give this as the party line to the likes of Goebbels and within a year there will be hundreds of books, pamplets, and articles elaborating on this theme and gearing up the german population to wage genocidal war on France.
 

NoMommsen

Donor
That would not fit with the "replace Jews as main nazi scapegoat/boogyman" thing though.
???

The jews, also the eastern are NOT the scapegoat/boogeyman ITTL.

But with their being 'cultural progenity' of german culture (language) another reason for claims of the eastern part of europe.

edit : crossing posts :p
Well, that's a new idea : making the Gauls the 'ultimate' enemy ... nice :)
 
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Wendigo

Banned
I don't think you can just switch the Nazis' racial hatred from Jews to the French with a snap.

Compared to the treatment of Poles and Slavs on the Eastern Front, the German occupation of France and the Low Countries was downright cordial. There was no attempt nor were there plans for the extermination of the French ethnic group. This is because in Hitler's worldview and that of the Party, the French WERE Aryan (albeit tainted). Western Europeans were considered Ayrans, not as pure as Germans but Aryans nonetheless.

You might as well just have them declare Belgians and Dutch subhuman as well and start Generalplan West. Highly unlikely.
 

NoMommsen

Donor
@Wendigo
Uhmm ... You argue with OTL events while I'm asking for a PoD way prior to these OTL events that changes OTL believes and behavior, that lead to these OTL events. ;)
 

Wendigo

Banned
@Wendigo
Uhmm ... You argue with OTL events while I'm asking for a PoD way prior to these OTL events that changes OTL believes and behavior, that lead to these OTL events. ;)
I know. I'm saying that it's unlikely that any single event could turn the Nazi Party, Hitler, Himmler etc into focusing on a main enemy that wasn't Jewish.

Even if Hitler and the Reich DID hate the French, Freemasons, Roma etc more than they did IOTL, that still wouldn't be enough to prevent anti semitism from being their primary ideological belief/goal.
 

NoMommsen

Donor
Hitler was the one who determined the Jews as the source of ever evil as raison d`etre, for the party as well as for the state later. And only with this all the other OTL nazis were descruplised to run free with their madness. Without Hitlers approval they wouldn't have been able to do so.

Hitler himself was quite an ... 'ordinary' antisemite up to the late WW I and after. He also had - like many others - his 'good' jews, his 'house' jews he lived and worked with.
Until something snapped in his mind sometimes around late 1918, early 1919.
 

MERRICA

Banned
I don't think you can just switch the Nazis' racial hatred from Jews to the French with a snap.

Compared to the treatment of Poles and Slavs on the Eastern Front, the German occupation of France and the Low Countries was downright cordial. There was no attempt nor were there plans for the extermination of the French ethnic group. This is because in Hitler's worldview and that of the Party, the French WERE Aryan (albeit tainted). Western Europeans were considered Ayrans, not as pure as Germans but Aryans nonetheless.

You might as well just have them declare Belgians and Dutch subhuman as well and start Generalplan West. Highly unlikely.
It doesn't have to make sense, the Nazi racial ideology could easily be changed on a whim. For example, you could have the Nazis regard the Russians,Ukrainians,and Belorussians as "Tainted Aryans"based on the whole 'Founded by Swedish Vikings' thing.And you could have Hitler's worldview of the French and thus the Party's view change by having him being the lone surviver of an attack by the French in WWI.

This in turn ,(assuming a quick German victory in France like OTL.) Will change virtually everything In the war since the Nazis are trying to exterminate the French, Resistance would increase a 1000-fold, Many French collaborators in OTL would have no choice but to fight or die.Virtually the Entire francophone world would be set against the Germans and it would be like General Plan Ost on a massive scale.

But another aspect that could be interesting in the Chinese sense is the Nazis treatment of Jews in this scenario. Again, changing his experiences and thus his viewpoint changes the parties viewpoint.

So if Hitler sees Central and Eastern European Jews as "Germanic" minorities that need to be freed from Bolshevism, then that will be the parties viewpoint.This doesn't mean that they would leave the USSR alone as they still would had wanted to destroy Communism.
 
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