Alternative to African slavery

A few days ago I had asked about a way to make the us even more right wing for a story idea but now I've ran into a new problem, African slavery. The us can't be insanely nationalistic with a diaspora like black people due to them looking different. So what alternatives could the US use as slaves instead of Africans? My best guess would be slavs or arabs but I'm not completely sure.
 
Native Indians, Mestizo or even whites (from different classes, religions backgrounds) come to mind. Even more so race based slavery is not the common and overall slavery has (partly even still is) and (sadly) has allways found way's to be legitimized for one stupid reason/ argument or another. No matter if that was the slaves following the wrong god, having different skin, a different culture, religion or class/ caste. Human history is full of various examples for either of this types so a alternative might not be so hard to find then you might think at the moment. Even certain forms of minimum labor, forced labor in jail and such could be seen as kind of slavery depending on the viewpoint and definition.
 
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Schnozzberry

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The us can't be insanely nationalistic with a diaspora like black people due to them looking different.


I know this isn't the question being asked, but you actually can have a nationalistic regime with multiple races. Fascist Italy and Spain while still very racist did give attempt the incorporation of Africans into their systems. An alternative could system could the What Madness is This system where certain white and black ethnicities are considered superior as long as there isn't racial mixing.

To answer your actual question, if African slavery never happened, then indentured servitude would be the chief source of that kind of labour, although it would almost certainly morph into a form of serfdom rather than slavery. Native Americans might be enslaved, but their numbers are very low.
 
A few days ago I had asked about a way to make the us even more right wing for a story idea but now I've ran into a new problem, African slavery. The us can't be insanely nationalistic with a diaspora like black people due to them looking different. So what alternatives could the US use as slaves instead of Africans? My best guess would be slavs or arabs but I'm not completely sure.

You could in theory - you can be nationalist without being ethnonationalist, especially in a country founded on a set of governing principles rather than blood and soil. You can accept black people as Americans and still be an America Firster - anticommunist, skeptical of free trade and immigration. You can even have some racist views but not want to go as far as bringing back Jim Crow. (Pat Buchanan might be the best example.)

Problem with trying to change the enslaved group is they would still have to be distinct and identifiable, so they would just become the Africans of TTL. And if they looked more like Europeans (such as Arabs), they would assimilate quickly and be able to run away and start over under an assumed name.
 
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The socio-economic landscape of the colonial period would change dramatically.

But before that you'd have to butterfly away Moorish Iberia or Slavery post reconquista-to not have Europeans see Africans as enslavable people.

Regardless African indentured servants and such would be a thing, nationalism can exist in a multiracial society.

It's merely just OTL white people did not want to do or be that until their own livelihoods or lives were at risk of being kicked out.
 
OTL there was an attempt to use Native Americans as slaves before there were significant numbers of imported Africans. This did not work out well, it was far too easy for the Native Americans to escape and fade back in to the wilderness. In the West Indies early on the British used white political prisoners from the rebellions as convict/slave labor, but it wasn't "generational", unlike the Africans whose descendants were born slaves.
 
Was it? To my understanding neither the Falangists nor the Franco regime were particularly racist for the time period. Franco after all viewed the "Spanish Race" as a spiritual/cultural (rather than biological) concept.

So the Germans were unique in the whole biological race aspect?
 
So the Germans were unique in the whole biological race aspect?
Regarding such beliefs being native to other movements, I'd have to read more on the doctrines of the Ustase and Iron Guard.

I know a few fascist movements (like that of the Netherlands) adopted Nazi racial ideology wholesale after Hitler's rise, though it can be hard to tell if those sentiments were genuine or were merely an attempt to copy Hitler's success/gain his support.
 

Schnozzberry

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Was it? To my understanding neither the Falangists nor the Franco regime were particularly racist for the time period. Franco after all viewed the "Spanish Race" as a spiritual/cultural (rather than biological) concept.

I don't know the ins and outs entirely, but as far as I can figure, Spain still possessed a degree of racial hierarchy in her colonies under Franco. Ideas on race in Spain though were weird in comparison to most of Europe though, and there were a number of different of different things the regime did that make it a little obtuse. On one hand, you have the open celebration of Spain's Visigothic legacy which was supposedly supposed to make them part of the "superior Aryan race," but on the other you have the Falangist idea of the National Catholic state which transcends race.


So the Germans were unique in the whole biological race aspect?

They weren't unique in that aspect, racial/ethnic based nationalism existed in most European and many non-European states at the time, but they did have one of the more structured and systematic (and violent) variants.
 
Well, we often forget about Le Grande Dérangement (I think that’s how it’s spelled) in Acadia which dispersed the Cajuns throughout North America. Perhaps the Cajuns are simply enslaved instead? Or maybe they’re not enslaved, but put into a system of inherited indentured servitude, and more Irish, Scottish, Welsh, and later Italians are brought over as indentured servants.
 
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