Well, I was really refering to the art style more then anything else, but still, Mainstream Anime that the Average American teen likes still comes off as focusing more on Cute, etc. then what I would prefer.
Alternative pop culture in the 2000s
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Well, I was really refering to the art style more then anything else, but still, Mainstream Anime that the Average American teen likes still comes off as focusing more on Cute, etc. then what I would prefer.
the_lyniezian
Banned
How exactly would no 9/11 affect popular culture? Less TV dramas and movies based around Isalmic terror plots, maybe, and less material for Michael Moore. Not much else I'd bet...
there was a Jackie Chan Movie in the works where his Charactor stopped a Plot to Blow up the Trade Center or something like that.
then 9/11 happened and the movie was Scrapped.
Well, we would assume that the Middle-Eastern Wars wouldn't happen, so no protests, not as much Islamaphobia, etc. I would say our culture would be much less Paranoid, and more trusting which could have a big effect on how the News is presented.
The whole TV news thing is build on paranoia about crime, drugs, moral values, SARS, etc... I don't think 9/11 is going to change any of that. Probably people pay less attention to news without 9/11, I can say for a fact that I didn't pay any attention to int'l politics before that, and it was things like the Iraq war, George Bush, and 9/11 conspiracies that got lots of my friends following stuff like this so I think the change will be just less people watching the news.
Movies could be different without Tarantino, weather you like him or not (And I especially don't), His (and a few others) movies managed to popularize the nonlinear editing style that you see so much of, lots of second rate crime movies shamelessly rip off his dialogue style.
There are countless ways you could do this, for instance Harvy Kietel doesn't produce Resevoir dogs, and it becomes some low budget B movie with a no name cast that very few people end up seeing. Or his first movie is successfull, and because of that he winds up writing run of the mill comedies for studios.
There are countless ways you could do this, for instance Harvy Kietel doesn't produce Resevoir dogs, and it becomes some low budget B movie with a no name cast that very few people end up seeing. Or his first movie is successfull, and because of that he winds up writing run of the mill comedies for studios.
10. Mike Scully never becomes a writer for the Simpsons and Family Guy is never aired.
Family Guy stays cancelled, which would likely take away American Dad as well.
The Simpsons get better writers, and don't jump the Shark.
FOX could have more sucsees in the Sitcom Department. (The only sucseesful thing they've done in that area is That 70's Show.)
No Star Wars Prequels. (Ironic thing about this, most fan boys would still be begging Lucas to make them. Either that, or Star Wars Sequel Trilogy. I wonder how that might have turbned out...)
Tim Burton Directs the 3rd Batman Film in the mid-90's, Shoemaker dosen't kill the franchise for a few years, and we getmore Batman Films. (But would they ne as awesome as BB and TDK?)
No Survivor, No Reality TV?
The Simpsons get better writers, and don't jump the Shark.
FOX could have more sucsees in the Sitcom Department. (The only sucseesful thing they've done in that area is That 70's Show.)
No Star Wars Prequels. (Ironic thing about this, most fan boys would still be begging Lucas to make them. Either that, or Star Wars Sequel Trilogy. I wonder how that might have turbned out...)
Tim Burton Directs the 3rd Batman Film in the mid-90's, Shoemaker dosen't kill the franchise for a few years, and we getmore Batman Films. (But would they ne as awesome as BB and TDK?)
No Survivor, No Reality TV?
RealityX
Banned
NeatO
Interesting... well from what I can see, weirdly enough Japan has dominated a certain artistic popular culture all around the world? Why is this? Why are their not movies or animations coming out of Germany or France or south America? Also Japanese anime storylines don't seem to have the same kind of foolish childishness as cartoons here (I live in Canada). Why does Japan tell stories is such a enjoyable way? Here in North America there really is only to groups you can fit into media wise. Are you and adult, or a young child? Japan seems to fill this gap. So what if instead of so many horrible reality shows there are more fantasy adventure shows like Xena and sinbad are made? Or maybe more Sci fi shows about the age of space empires or piracy. What if US cartoons grow to be more original and actualy built the IQ like their Japanese counter parts (sometimes) instead of reusing superman, batman, and spiderman over and over? Have you also noticed that even in adult culture the is a more distinct good guy and bad guy? Also the bad guy never seems to have any meaningful reasons behind his actions. Further more it seems as long as their is a happy ending what ever happens inbetween dosen't matter. The truth is that no matter how you look at it every life always ends in tradgedy. The obsesion with the happy ending is very much associated with the Christian or monotheistic religions.
Also do you think that without digital duplication or public use of duplication that there would be more TV shows, more movies, or more music?
Another POD, pokemon survives and becomes more sophisticated with the age group going up to 18+ with fans (the majority) still obssesd with it passed graduation. Also it is not banned in many schools, and eventually with the nintento DS, battles are faught with gambling going on. Charazard worth $500? Maybe instead of the fanaticism over better graphics, a better story, more advanced world interaction system, and better puzzles are to found in pokemon games. Maybe DnD becomes an opposing force to pokemon, and the games themselves are both mobile and wi-fi connectable to anyone within a radius.
Just a few ideas...
Interesting... well from what I can see, weirdly enough Japan has dominated a certain artistic popular culture all around the world? Why is this? Why are their not movies or animations coming out of Germany or France or south America? Also Japanese anime storylines don't seem to have the same kind of foolish childishness as cartoons here (I live in Canada). Why does Japan tell stories is such a enjoyable way? Here in North America there really is only to groups you can fit into media wise. Are you and adult, or a young child? Japan seems to fill this gap. So what if instead of so many horrible reality shows there are more fantasy adventure shows like Xena and sinbad are made? Or maybe more Sci fi shows about the age of space empires or piracy. What if US cartoons grow to be more original and actualy built the IQ like their Japanese counter parts (sometimes) instead of reusing superman, batman, and spiderman over and over? Have you also noticed that even in adult culture the is a more distinct good guy and bad guy? Also the bad guy never seems to have any meaningful reasons behind his actions. Further more it seems as long as their is a happy ending what ever happens inbetween dosen't matter. The truth is that no matter how you look at it every life always ends in tradgedy. The obsesion with the happy ending is very much associated with the Christian or monotheistic religions.
Also do you think that without digital duplication or public use of duplication that there would be more TV shows, more movies, or more music?
Another POD, pokemon survives and becomes more sophisticated with the age group going up to 18+ with fans (the majority) still obssesd with it passed graduation. Also it is not banned in many schools, and eventually with the nintento DS, battles are faught with gambling going on. Charazard worth $500? Maybe instead of the fanaticism over better graphics, a better story, more advanced world interaction system, and better puzzles are to found in pokemon games. Maybe DnD becomes an opposing force to pokemon, and the games themselves are both mobile and wi-fi connectable to anyone within a radius.
Just a few ideas...
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the Apple Man said:
No, not Mike Scully...
YOU MUST NEVER LET KEN KEELER ANYWHERE NEAR THE SIMPSONS! He wrote "The Principal and the Pauper", a.k.a. the Armin Tamzirian episode. That's the EXACT point that the Simpsons jumped the shark.
I actually like Family Guy, though. I can see why people think the latest batch of episodes are flawed (yes, they should have spent some more time with the Star Trek TNG cast), but I enjoy the show's brand of humor. It fills the toilet humor void that Beavis and Butt-head left after ending in the late '90s.
In regards to video games, said Count Bleck, perhaps they don't become as 'for all audiences' as Nintendo is pushing for the WII? Perhaps boys, to an extent girls, stay the demographic the VG Industry stays faithful to? Perhaps they make less money, but gamers would see it as an improvement. Less shovelware for moms and more quality games.
..says Communist Wizard!
..says Communist Wizard!
What if a pop-culturfied pseudo-communist movement caught on? Like Che T-shirt X25.
Here's a list:
Mao (Zhongshan) suits
Mao hats
Ushenkas
Putting hammers&sickles on everything from clothes to cars
Writing random stuff in Russian/Chinese
haha, not only did we win the Cold war, now we've turned their ideology into a garbage pop-culture fad!!!
Here's a list:
Mao (Zhongshan) suits
Mao hats
Ushenkas
Putting hammers&sickles on everything from clothes to cars
Writing random stuff in Russian/Chinese
haha, not only did we win the Cold war, now we've turned their ideology into a garbage pop-culture fad!!!
Some can be in the same TL.
US:
US:
- Adult oriented animes become more prevalent, outside Adult Swim.
- Jrock groups such as Dir En Grey, Malice Mizer, and Nightmare become more popular taking place of OTL's Emo bands.
- Che Guevara shirts are worn more by the fiscal conservatives or the right as poetic justice in that Che's image is now used for capitalistic purposes.
- No Superbowl 2004 wardrobe malfunction and the FCC's almost evangelistic streak on indecency.
- Farscape goes on a few more seasons.
- Star Trek: Enterprise has better writers with no Temporal Cold War and Daniels and the Suliban, no Xindi and Delphic Expanse, no Borg, and no transporter technology. And T'POL WILL NOT BE WEARING A CATSUIT TO BRING IN THE SEVEN OF NINE FANCLUB.
- No Paris Hilton sex tape, then every celebrity in RP wont be purposely having sex tapes.
- Asian, as opposed to OTL's American, hip-hop influences the country's youth leading to a less 'gangsta' youth culture.
- Hello Project! (which Morning Musume is a part of) decline in sales and popularity at the beginning of the decade.
that may acctualy be an improvement.
the World May never see the light of The Plain White Ts.
Might be ASB... One could argue that we won the Cold War in the European theater, but it's still active in the Asian theater (China, North Korea, Vietnam, etc.). Oh, and there's the matter of that one island a few miles south of Florida.
I don't know if you remember, but before 9/11, it seemed to me that China was going to become the next Soviet-type bogeyman. Do you remember the Hainan Island incident with that American spy plane that collided with another plane in Chinese airspace in April 2001? That was really tense.
OTL, China is becoming a big communist superpower to rival the Soviet Union, but most people don't think about that right now because of the war on terror. Still, because of increased sentiments of nationalism in the wake of 9/11, as well as the overall conservative political climate, we still consider the Chinese (and communists in general) to be our antithesis and there's no chance that even an ironic use of communist symbolism would find widespread adoption in mainstream culture.
Now, think about an ATL with a POD of no 9/11. China will probably become the new Soviet-ish bogeyman, and conservative broadcasters will probably conjure up frightening specters of the possibility of an invasion of Taiwan. On the other hand, you still have the liberal "Free Tibet" movement that started in the '90s. Need I say more?
You probably wouldn't see even an ironic adoption of communist symbols until at least the 2010s. Maybe if the economic situation in the US never improves, communist ideals (or at least Marxist theories of class struggle) could come to the forefront of popular thought. Of course, I understand that's future history and off-topic for this section of the board, so I won't say anything else about it.
Hendryk
Banned
I seem to remember surplus East German army jackets being pretty popular throughout the 1990s.
Personally, I do wear a Zhongshan jacket as casual outerwear, and I considered getting myself a PLA surplus winter coat during my last trip to Shanghai. I didn't, but I know a place in Paris that sells them (at ridiculously inflated prices, of course).
and on the other end of the Spectrum, swatikas.
it's workable, they just have to claim they're 'Manji's.
Hendryk
Banned
If you give Buddhism a higher profile in the West, you could pull that off.
BTW a Japanese film from 1964 is called "Manji" (or, in kanji, 卍). It's about a lesbian love story
