Alternative History Armoured Fighting Vehicles Part 4

But put the gun on top, and it's "stop, bangbangbang, run!".
Pretty much. It's pretty clear that the versions above are a stop gap (getting pretty damned sophisticated as it goes with those wooden shoes at the end, mind), because when they had the chance, they actually converted the thing in a more "traditional" way, like this:

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behold, your new tier 1 German tank destroyer, coming soon to World of Tanks

Being serious, finding some tractor and slapping a gun on the front of it is pretty damned practical; that's basically where tanks came from, after all. You've got a lot to gain as an anti-tank crewman by putting the gun on the front and driving it around that way, like being able to get out of trouble much faster than if you're trying to wheel it around on foot, to say nothing of the out of combat benefits of having it on a vehicle (which can also happily carry you, your mates and your supplies) and the Renault UE wouldn't be the only tractor used this way by German forces. Here's a Komsomolets from later in the war, packing the same gun, with the same more specific modifications than a stick and twine.

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That one's really not a bad gig at all for an anti-tank gunner, even if it was done the same way as the Renaults above with the wheels instead of a proper mounting. You don't just get something to drag your cannon around, the Komsomolets actually has a machine gun, for keeping away pesky infantry. This one's a little...uh, under the weather shall we say, so the gun's gone, but you can see the port for it. They're both more "serious" than tying a gun with wheels down on top, but you can pretty easily see how they can evolve. A neat thing to add onto this discussion is that this isn't even just something that you do when you capture tractors like this - the ZIS-30 was built off of the Komsomolets, and the French themselves slapped guns on the Renault UE, giving us this thing on the right.

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Pretty much. It's pretty clear that the versions above are a stop gap (getting pretty damned sophisticated as it goes with those wooden shoes at the end, mind), because when they had the chance, they actually converted the thing in a more "traditional" way, like this:

ipzB3XP.jpeg

behold, your new tier 1 German tank destroyer, coming soon to World of Tanks
Ah, this is the "fancy de luxe" model. And I'd totally get it in WoT!
 
Ah, this is the "fancy de luxe" model. And I'd totally get it in WoT!
It actually gives thoughts as to what other, wondrous vehicles could be made into what are basically WW2-era technicals...but that gets the challenge of finding a vehicle that someone didn't put a cannon on in the first place to make it alternate history! :p

I'm all out of images for this thread for today, but that's for embedding them, not linking them. Check out this image of a classic jeep with a 37mm (I bet that's gonna bounce when it fires), which means that if you can put one on that, you could probably put them on a wide variety of vehicles. Perfect fodder for this thread (sort of - they're alternate history fighting vehicles, but maybe not armored), as there's actually a wide variety of vehicles to consider even without getting to more obvious candidates like trucks. The advent of things like shaped charges and rockets would probably put an end to these small-gun (unarmored) cars, but there's probably room for all sorts of possibilities in the early war era, especially with branching out to things like gun tractors and the like. There's also a fair chance of finding a scenario for them in various colonial wars, with newborn militaries that are a bit hard off for proper armored vehicles using whatever WW2 excess they can find to make their own poor-man's AFV.
 
I mean, you could always add armour to a gun truck?

Then it fits perfectly in the thread, and it might look like something out of Mad Max as a bonus!
 
It actually gives thoughts as to what other, wondrous vehicles could be made into what are basically WW2-era technicals...but that gets the challenge of finding a vehicle that someone didn't put a cannon on in the first place to make it alternate history! :p
We've made a whole bunch of these here, you just got to look for em here and on the older versions of this thread.
 
I mean, you could always add armour to a gun truck?

Then it fits perfectly in the thread, and it might look like something out of Mad Max as a bonus!
*Ahem*
Transportation company in Vietnam. Yes, that's the hull of an M113
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A more conventional model... but carying miniguns:
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Another US beast, this one is from the Iraq war
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Komeetta, mikä komeetta - Update:

So, here are the latest WIP pics and I'm thinking that perhaps I should change my project title form 'Comet, what Comet?' to (misquoting Douglas Adams) 'So long and thanks for all the fins' or (borrowing from Gerry Anderson) 'Thunderbirds are go!'

Anywho, the cat is now well and truly out of the bag . I have a very plausible backstory in mind but more of that in due course. In the meantime, I now have to somehow construct the maddest looking launch cradle/gantry/erector thingy I have ever seen!

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Rocket with multi-joint-folding fins (and other elements) pops vertically out of the "commander hatch" of what only looks like a Comet, but really is camouflage for an underground missile silo...?

...which itself is "mobile", via side-mounted earth augurs, earth-conveyor tubes, and clever backfill devices...?
 
Rocket with multi-joint-folding fins (and other elements) pops vertically out of the "commander hatch" of what only looks like a Comet, but really is camouflage for an underground missile silo...?

...which itself is "mobile", via side-mounted earth augurs, earth-conveyor tubes, and clever backfill devices...?
That sounds straight out of a "Despicable me" movie...
 
Rocket with multi-joint-folding fins (and other elements) pops vertically out of the "commander hatch" of what only looks like a Comet, but really is camouflage for an underground missile silo...?

...which itself is "mobile", via side-mounted earth augurs, earth-conveyor tubes, and clever backfill devices...?

You certainly have an over active imagination! 😂🤣😂

That sounds straight out of a "Despicable me" movie...

😂🤣😂
 
*Ahem*
Transportation company in Vietnam. Yes, that's the hull of an M113
72cfe5d2061ad7b609d69305d39af4ac.jpg

A more conventional model... but carying miniguns:
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Another US beast, this one is from the Iraq war
PLS-10.jpg
An engineer unit stationed at FOB Sykes (circa 2005) in Tal'Afar Iraq took a 5-ton dump truck and welded the stripped-down hull of an Iraqi MTLB onto it for use as a gun truck. I need to dig through my old photos and find a pic of it.
 
*Ahem*
Transportation company in Vietnam. Yes, that's the hull of an M113
72cfe5d2061ad7b609d69305d39af4ac.jpg

A more conventional model... but carying miniguns:
f3714f3c0d7240e302b25ef81b61d721-vietnam-veterans-military-vehicles.jpg

Another US beast, this one is from the Iraq war
PLS-10.jpg

What the hell does that scrawl say on the last one because I cannot make heads or tails of it?
 
Hey guys, yes I'm still lurking in here it's been awhile
yes I've been working on my Soviet double barrel 152mm tank see pic



proto design. used assets from others
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My own design still a WIP I dont like the wide of the hull and gun lenght is to long, it's front is pretty nice I got to say and it's super structure looks cool to still needs some design to it.
the tank is called TSU-152-II

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now my second question: 8.8cm Flak on 9t Vomag Truck
looks so pretty, but not much information is know but I wanted to know if I might add bigger guns to it let's say; 105mm (could be?) 120mm a 12,8 and a 15cm gun but probably short barrel I probably need to put a reinforced suspension/hull for the 120 till 15cm guns as the 105 could be doable?
any ideas on how to fix that?
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Hey guys, yes I'm still lurking in here it's been awhile
yes I've been working on my Soviet double barrel 152mm tank see pic



proto design. used assets from others
image.png




My own design still a WIP I dont like the wide of the hull and gun lenght is to long, it's front is pretty nice I got to say and it's super structure looks cool to still needs some design to it.
the tank is called TSU-152-II

image.png


now my second question: 8.8cm Flak on 9t Vomag Truck
looks so pretty, but not much information is know but I wanted to know if I might add bigger guns to it let's say; 105mm (could be?) 120mm a 12,8 and a 15cm gun but probably short barrel I probably need to put a reinforced suspension/hull for the 120 till 15cm guns as the 105 could be doable?
any ideas on how to fix that?
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The SiG33 150mm was mounted on Panzer 1 and Panzer2 so should be fine.

Otherwise, you could look at the 105 used on Dicker Max or the 128 from Sturer Emil. These were AT guns suitable for bunker busting and it might look like a good idea to start working on them for an attack on Belgian, French and sovit fortresses.
 
Komeetta, mikä Komeetta - Update:

Latest WIP pics from my psychotic episode trying to figure out the demented shape of the Thunderbird cradle/launcher (no one picture ever tells the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth) and then actually trying to construct said multi-dimensional object! It's not actually finished yet but, suffice to say, I can feel the madness leaving my body and the Zen returning - phew!!

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Komeetta, mikä Komeetta - Update:

Latest WIP pics from my psychotic episode trying to figure out the demented shape of the Thunderbird cradle/launcher (no one picture ever tells the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth) and then actually trying to construct said multi-dimensional object!
don't het yr dimensions wrong lol 7th and the dungeon dimensions are no fun
 
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