La Rouge Beret
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I was thinking along similar lines and perhaps introducing a spall liner as well. Hopefully someone could be so kind to draw the conversion.
Wietze do you have any regiments that you have an affinity with?
Alternative History Armoured Fighting Vehicles Part 2
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I was thinking along similar lines and perhaps introducing a spall liner as well. Hopefully someone could be so kind to draw the conversion.
Wietze do you have any regiments that you have an affinity with?
I'll give a shot sometime later today, will probably modify its weaponry as well.I was thinking along similar lines and perhaps introducing a spall liner as well. Hopefully someone could be so kind to draw the conversion.
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Depends on what else I had access to. Depending on what I had I might very well fuck the A-7V over for scrap and build something better.
From what I gather there really isn't a lot of production capability in this post apocalypse world. One doesn't have the luxury of designing and building new equipment.
If you have a bunch of old and low tech junk, you find a way to make it useful. No one can afford to discard anything this hellish world.
La Rouge Beret
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Thats an option as well, cut down the hull land even convert into a stug. For equipment and situation think metro 2034 and that is really accurate.
Granted, but if I have other vehicles to work with I will part out the A7V first. Or possible strip it down to the nothing and build it back up. It really depends on what the fuck I had to work with and what my goals are. There are a lot of questions that come into play in a post apocalypse world.
I was thinking along similar lines and perhaps introducing a spall liner as well. Hopefully someone could be so kind to draw the conversion.
Wietze do you have any regiments that you have an affinity with?
well i do like the dutch regiment 'de gele rijders' (originally mounted artillery, these day PzH2000), mostly because they have rather cool demonstration uniforms
(and yes the netherlands still uses the 25 pounder for saluting purposes)
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La Rouge Beret
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I'll give a shot sometime later today, will probably modify its weaponry as well.
Sounds great cortz... please consider a dozer blade for urban operations.
I was thinking along similar lines and perhaps introducing a spall liner as well. Hopefully someone could be so kind to draw the conversion.
Wietze do you have any regiments that you have an affinity with?
would the liner even be necessary? unless the outside threat can throw in more heavy stuff , the a7v has 15-30mm armour.
i have the feeling it would add a lot of unnecessary weight, which is better used for supplies (after all it already weighs 33 tonnes).
can throw the 57mm guns out, replace it with a 40mm automatic grenadelauncher. the ww1 era 7.92mm replaced by FN MAGs, 7,62NATO
add remote operated grenade launchers (like modern tanks have) for either smoke or teargas.
and need IR sight, maybe searchlight, or a mortar for illuminating flares, for use at night.
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La Rouge Beret
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Really limited equipment to strip it down with as most equipment is beneath the surface due to radiation and it breaks down almost immediately in world. So left in situ after weapons are removed, come back into play when they assault the human despot controlling the city.
well i do like the dutch regiment 'de gele rijders' (originally mounted artillery), mostly because they have rather cool demonstration uniforms
(and yes the netherlands still uses the 25 pounder for saluting purposes)
Yeah cool, always had respect for dutch built warships well constructed and excellent electronics fit.
La Rouge Beret
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Largest threat 40mm cannon and rudimentary rocket propelled grenades and some originals of course.
40mm cannon means approx 40mm armour penetration (range 150m or less) http://www.ordtech-industries.com/2products/Ammunition/Medium/40L60.html
so instead of liner, add a wire mesh on the outside, to protect against HE and hollow charges
so instead of liner, add a wire mesh on the outside, to protect against HE and hollow charges
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A rough sketch idea for a post apocalypse A7v. Cut the roof off to make more space for weaponry and to shave off some weight. Replaced 57 mm gun with a 5.cm gun from a Pz.III and added a 20 mm AA gun to the roof on a rotating tub mount. Placed a quad mount of Panzerschrecks on the side and a bulldozer blade up front.
Used mostly German WWII weapons because La Rouge Beret mentioned there might be elements of the six Army in his TL. Nothing is to scale but once I know what La Rouge likes and doesn't like, I can ask Claymore to scale up the right weapons and components with the A7v and do a more proper job of it.
Used mostly German WWII weapons because La Rouge Beret mentioned there might be elements of the six Army in his TL. Nothing is to scale but once I know what La Rouge likes and doesn't like, I can ask Claymore to scale up the right weapons and components with the A7v and do a more proper job of it.
Thank you for a quick answer.
I believe basing the Susi so directly on the Pasi is a bit... optimistic.
I'll give you some background. The entity that designs and builds the Susi is the post-War *Valmet, a combination of previously mostly private companies taken over by the Finnish Emergency Cabinet in 1984 and after it. The Susi is a product of the "State Machine Factory, Pieksämäki" (Valtion Konepaja Pieksämäki or VKPP) that is built around the State Railways maintenance facilities and workshops in Pieksämäki in the post-War years. The VKPP is the main actor in keeping the Finnish state's military vehicles running, and has in the two decades after the War been basically rebuilding, jury-rigging and cannibalizing various vehicles (pre-War Finnish military and civilian cars and trucks, captured Soviet vehicles, etc) to keep as many as possible running to suit the needs of the nation (as understood by the military government).
By 2000, though, many vehicles are getting worn out. And there were not that many wheeled APCs that survived the War in the first place. Only a very few of the first generation XA-180s that had just been built prior to the Exchange would have been left after 1984, and only a few of the people who worked with the project besides. The FNA military police has been using a handful of BTR-60s (some of them ones the Finns captured from a Soviet remnant in Finland) as its first line "showcase vehicles" to present a mighty front to the population.
Now even the BTRs are getting difficult to keep running. The FNA is all about appearance, and the fact that the Finnish military is ITTL by the year 2000 mostly down to using repurposed civilian cars in matte green (or black-grey in case of the military police) annoys the military leadership.The Susi is seen as the new, modern vehicle to bolster the military police's prestige and appearance. Built on a chassis purchased from the Czecho-Slovaks, who by 2000 or so have some vehicle-manufacturing going again, and made partly by hand at the VKPP. Put together with the resources of an impoverished military state, it will use some parts salvaged from older vehicles, out of necessity.
In other words, the Susi is a semi-improvised vehicle that wants desperately to look not improvised at all, built for a failing state that needs to look strong to keep going. I mentioned the Saxon before as I think it looks "improvised" in the way I imagine the Susi would be - somewhat non-symmetric, with odd angles here and there. The BTR-60 would also have an effect on the design as it is what the VKPP people are familiar with. Some inspiration could also be found from the PanssariValmet, a OTL Valmet-made APC built hurriedly on a tractor chassis at the time the Pasi was being developed.
The PaVa:
Or see here.
A Saxon in use by the Ukrainian military, very much akin to how I see the Susi:
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open top???
remember this is a post-apocalyptic situation with loads of radiation.
in such a situation the turret has to be enclosed
OOPS!
Right did I say open top? No no no, a of sheet lead plate has been welded to the top. Yeah that's the ticket.
Oh and the guy manning the AA-gun will wear an NBC suit.
yup, that was the plan all along.
Really.
this is up to 60/70s tech
so i still think a 40mm auto grenade launcher (the Mk19) would be a good option in a small turret on each side
and for the gun, wouldn't a 90mm low pressure gun be more practical (like the MECAR & cockerill designs, CM90 turret), very low recoil. either that or a breech loaded mortar (fairly low tech)
and the turret a combined .50 & 40mm mk19?
something like this : http://www.inetres.com/gp/military/cv/inf/M1117.html
so i still think a 40mm auto grenade launcher (the Mk19) would be a good option in a small turret on each side
and for the gun, wouldn't a 90mm low pressure gun be more practical (like the MECAR & cockerill designs, CM90 turret), very low recoil. either that or a breech loaded mortar (fairly low tech)
and the turret a combined .50 & 40mm mk19?
something like this : http://www.inetres.com/gp/military/cv/inf/M1117.html
So I give you a modernised A7V - accepting that for whatever reason it is decided to modernise an A7V rather than work on something else... I have welded up all the leaky seams and replaced the old hatched for hatches with CBRN seals and likewise for the MG ports. I have also replaced the view ports with armoured glass. The main gun is a 90mm GIAT F1
You come up with the ideas and I draw...
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