Alternative History Armoured Fighting Vehicles Part 2

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zert

BIO3729 said:
M8E1 Heavy Support Car
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On the Western Front, the Allies faced strongpoint after strongpoint of German and Italian defenses. Whether if it were bunkers or fortified houses, the Axis wouldn't give in until the very last bullet. Infantry could be held down for entire hours, waiting on help.

So, with that in mind, we turn heads to the armored corps. Tanks were made for a plethora of tasks, including bunker-busting to support infantry formations that couldn't move another inch without getting assailed by small arms. "Send in the Stuarts!" "Send in the Shermans!" You could hear such words being shouted by impatient men who wanted to get to the next objective.

But sometimes, the tanks just couldn't arrive in time. Sometimes the area was just too fragile for even a light tank to pass. And that's when the armored cavalry comes in.

The M8E1 Heavy Support Car, a Greyhound with the firepower of a Scott. Bringing high-explosive power to the front, in even the smallest of places. Able to function in reconnaissance as well as support, it's boom n' zoom like never before.

This 6x6 armored car has been paired with a slightly modified Scott turret, armed to the teeth with a 75mm M3 howitzer and a hole-punching .50 M2HB machine gun. Rounds were of course limited due to the size of the vehicle, but with its speed, a Hellhound won't need to stay for too long.
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I like this and the story, but I would hate to be the .50 gunner. Way too exposed for that type of work.
 

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zert said:
I like this and the story, but I would hate to be the .50 gunner. Way too exposed for that type of work.
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BIO3729 said:
The Americans always put the .50 cal outside, being the absolute madmen they were :3
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You can't really mount a machine gun in a way to provide 360 coverage without turning the turret inside of the vehicle without effectively a second turret on top of the first (bad idea), plus it would be less effective as an AA machine gun, and given that commanders tended to stick their heads out for better situational awareness when not under heavy fire anyways, not point putting it under cover
 

cortz#9

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I thought it was supposed to be a Gatling Gun in the turrent, not a regular machine gun? if I am wrong, I apologize.

That aside, I like this version a lot more. With this being steampunk, how much range would it have with its engine? What type of fuel would be best, charcoal? Oil enriched wood or coal?
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The gun was originally a Gatling but forgot to change it when I changed the turret, will redraw the MG to look more like a Gat.

I really don't know much about steampunk tech. which do you think would be best for the time period, which is roughly in the 1880s?

I'm thinking that history will record that this experiment was a failure, also this was going to be a Prussian AFV but now I'm thinking its American.
taking suggestions for the background story and I still need a name for this beast plus I'm thinking this type of vehicle of was categorized as a "Land ship".
 

cortz#9

Take three steampunk AFV. Took Smitty's suggestion and added a sponson, what caliber should I say the gun is?
Redrew the Gatling gun, does it look more like a Gat than an MG?
Any other thoughts or suggestions?

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FickleCrossroad

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Why not upgrade the Gatling to something where you have a 30mm? The armor of the day won't be as hardened as we're used to, and small calibers don't have great HE filler capacity. However, you could chew up a train just fine with a 30mm Gatling.
 

cortz#9

FickleCrossroad said:
Why not upgrade the Gatling to something where you have a 30mm? The armor of the day won't be as hardened as we're used to, and small calibers don't have great HE filler capacity. However, you could chew up a train just fine with a 30mm Gatling.
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Is a 30mm Gatling gun plausible for the 1880s?
 

cortz#9

Jim Smitty said:
The Hotckiss gun came out around this time
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OK I'm going with the 1.65-inch (42 mm) Hotchkiss gun in the turret and a 3 inch naval gun in the sponson. Nothing here is to to scale though, just my rough attempt to squeeze everything in, might have to redraw everything for better proportions.
Thoughts?
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Remitonov

Remitonov

cortz#9 said:
Take three steampunk AFV. Took Smitty's suggestion and added a sponson, what caliber should I say the gun is?
Redrew the Gatling gun, does it look more like a Gat than an MG?
Any other thoughts or suggestions?

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Depending on the origins of the tank, make it a rhomboid (like the British Mark V) or very box-like (like the Germans A7V)
 

zert

Perhaps shorten the gap between the turret and the engine compartment.

Is there room to put the sponson guns right below the turret and give it a better arc and range instead of being so close to the bottom?

Also, what is the small pipe looking thing at the bottom rear? Some kind of exhaust?

Maybe make the engine compartment taller to accommodate more fuel and engine?

Or even have the engine compartment in the middle and have a second turret at the
rear so that the Loco-Wagon (Locomotive Wagon) :)cool:) can handle enemies from all sides?
 

Peebothuhlu

Just some passing comments and ideas for the Steampunk tank.

1) Look up the Youtube video of alternate fuels used in Germany, Britain etc during WW II. There's a neat image of a Tiger I that was a test bed for moving the machine with such a set up.

2) Some art work for WarHammer 40K will also fit the bill for inspiration. Some of the 'Gear Kreig' stuff is very retro-deisel punk in style.

Hope those quick suggestions help a little.

Cheers
 

cortz#9

Remitonov said:
Depending on the origins of the tank, make it a rhomboid (like the British Mark V) or very box-like (like the Germans A7V)
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zert said:
Perhaps shorten the gap between the turret and the engine compartment.

Is there room to put the sponson guns right below the turret and give it a better arc and range instead of being so close to the bottom?

Also, what is the small pipe looking thing at the bottom rear? Some kind of exhaust?

Maybe make the engine compartment taller to accommodate more fuel and engine?

Or even have the engine compartment in the middle and have a second turret at the
rear so that the Loco-Wagon (Locomotive Wagon) :)cool:) can handle enemies from all sides?
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Peebothuhlu said:
Just some passing comments and ideas for the Steampunk tank.

1) Look up the Youtube video of alternate fuels used in Germany, Britain etc during WW II. There's a neat image of a Tiger I that was a test bed for moving the machine with such a set up.

2) Some art work for WarHammer 40K will also fit the bill for inspiration. Some of the 'Gear Kreig' stuff is very retro-deisel punk in style.

Hope those quick suggestions help a little.

Cheers
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Thanks for the suggestions guys and the small pipe at the rear is a gun port with a rifle barrel sticking out.
 

cortz#9

Peebothuhlu said:
Just some passing comments and ideas for the Steampunk tank.

1) Look up the Youtube video of alternate fuels used in Germany, Britain etc during WW II. There's a neat image of a Tiger I that was a test bed for moving the machine with such a set up.

2) Some art work for WarHammer 40K will also fit the bill for inspiration. Some of the 'Gear Kreig' stuff is very retro-deisel punk in style.

Hope those quick suggestions help a little.

Cheers
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I couldn't find anything useful on alternate fuels used in Germany or Britain during WW II, could you suggest some other key words for search?
 
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