Alternative History Armoured Fighting Vehicles Part 2

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Claymore

Claymore

M60A4 Update

I have just spent the entire afternoon reminding myself why I said I would never build another rotary cannon! Spent ages trying to get various lengths of plastic rod to behave themselves only to completely lose my rag and scrap the whole thing. A GAU-8 with bent barrels just does not look the part, especially if I am excepting someone to pay for the end product.

Take two and doing the whole thing in metal... it is already trying my patience! I have a really nice brass muzzle brake but even that is starting to wind me up - bits keep dropping out. I swear to God, the gremlins have got it in for me! :mad:
 
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wietze

CaekDaemon said:
An interesting post appeared on /r/warthunder today, about an even more interesting looking vehicle: the Ardeer Aggie!

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after reading that loading procedure, wondering how it would have looked if they had made the gun a 300mm recoilless rifle, less say a gun at each side of the turret, like the ontos.

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just looked at the davy crocket nuke, it used a 120mm recoilless gun to shoot a oversized 23kg projectile over a 2km distance, or a a 155mm RCL for 4km range.
seems that a conventional warhead on that would have worked better than this contraption.
and light enough to allow a quad mount (2 on each side)
 
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Claymore

Claymore

M60A4 Update

Just gone midnight and the GAU is done and looking pretty good although I say it myself. A lot of metalwork and surprisingly heavy. Mounting the beast tomorrow and building the supporting lattice - a bit like the Goalkeeper arrangement. Then it will be a spray of undercoat for the whole model and on to painting and finishing.
 
Jim Smitty

Jim Smitty

Claymore said:
M60A4 Update

Just gone midnight and the GAU is done and looking pretty good although I say it myself. A lot of metalwork and surprisingly heavy. Mounting the beast tomorrow and building the supporting lattice - a bit like the Goalkeeper arrangement. Then it will be a spray of undercoat for the whole model and on to painting and finishing.
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Glad to here you got this done.
 

zert

Claymore said:
M60A4 Update

Just gone midnight and the GAU is done and looking pretty good although I say it myself. A lot of metalwork and surprisingly heavy. Mounting the beast tomorrow and building the supporting lattice - a bit like the Goalkeeper arrangement. Then it will be a spray of undercoat for the whole model and on to painting and finishing.
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Congrats and good luck with the mounting and finish. :)
 

kato

wietze said:
seems that a conventional warhead on that would have worked better than this contraption.
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It's a HESH demolition gun. Pretty much lobbing a plate of plastic explosive at the target. For that you want as much caliber as you can get and if possible a bit of spin to spread it out on the target before exploding it. And preferably some accuracy.
 
BIO3729

BIO3729

The Crusader Ausf. N
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What if the British had captured a Panzer Ausf. N, and decided to play around with the turret? What if the Germans decided that the Crusader looked like one sexy little demon (which it fairly is), and thought to themselves how good it would look with some Deutsch hardware? Maybe the British finally realized that having a tank with both solid shot and explosive rounds was necessary. Or maybe the Germans and British stopped fighting and decided to just sit down at the designing table, and try to make a new tank.

Nobody knows why, but the end result was pretty rad.

The Crusader Ausf. N is the merge of a Crusader Mk. II and the Panzerkampfwagen III Ausf. N. There is one thing to take into account: The turret ring of the Crusader was smaller than the Panzer III's. With that in mind, one would have to widen the Crusader. Check.

Now we can take a step forwards and make the tank longer. But the Crusader's already long enough, so why not try something else? Say... Put in the much more compact Maybach HL 120 TRM engine? Yeaaaaah, that'll work.

After a bit of modification afterwards, the end result is a decently armed vehicle with both infantry and armor fighting capabilities. It would have either two MG34 or two Besa machine guns, one of which in a funky little turret up front. In the end, it's the 75mm L/24 people are looking at, and with a tank this mobile, it can be put to good use.
 
Claymore

Claymore

BIO3729 said:
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What if the British had captured a Panzer Ausf. N, and decided to play around with the turret? What if the Germans decided that the Crusader looked like one sexy little demon (which it fairly is), and thought to themselves how good it would look with some Deutsch hardware? Maybe the British finally realized that having a tank with both solid shot and explosive rounds was necessary. Or maybe the Germans and British stopped fighting and decided to just sit down at the designing table, and try to make a new tank.

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Nice work and well thought through... and a damned fine looking beastie to boot! :)
 

cortz#9

BIO3729 said:
The Crusader Ausf. N

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What if the British had captured a Panzer Ausf. N, and decided to play around with the turret? What if the Germans decided that the Crusader looked like one sexy little demon (which it fairly is), and thought to themselves how good it would look with some Deutsch hardware? Maybe the British finally realized that having a tank with both solid shot and explosive rounds was necessary. Or maybe the Germans and British stopped fighting and decided to just sit down at the designing table, and try to make a new tank.

Nobody knows why, but the end result was pretty rad.

The Crusader Ausf. N is the merge of a Crusader Mk. II and the Panzerkampfwagen III Ausf. N. There is one thing to take into account: The turret ring of the Crusader was smaller than the Panzer III's. With that in mind, one would have to widen the Crusader. Check.

Now we can take a step forwards and make the tank longer. But the Crusader's already long enough, so why not try something else? Say... Put in the much more compact Maybach HL 120 TRM engine? Yeaaaaah, that'll work.

After a bit of modification afterwards, the end result is a decently armed vehicle with both infantry and armor fighting capabilities. It would have either two MG34 or two Besa machine guns, one of which in a funky little turret up front. In the end, it's the 75mm L/24 people are looking at, and with a tank this mobile, it can be put to good use.
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I like it. I've made quite a few Axis-Allies hybrids myself.
 
Remitonov

Remitonov

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A bit late for me to make a proper story right now, but here's a modified Stuart with an enlarged turret and a 75mm M3 gun, possibly as an American attempt to up-gun the Stuart to better combat the Germans. If the Brazilians could create this, I don't see why the Americans can't many years earlier.
 
BIO3729

BIO3729

Remitonov said:
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A bit late for me to make a proper story right now, but here's a modified Stuart with an enlarged turret and a 75mm M3 gun, possibly as an American attempt to up-gun the Stuart to better combat the Germans. If the Brazilians could create this, I don't see why the Americans can't many years earlier.
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Sooo... An M8A1?

.w.
 

cortz#9

Remitonov said:
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A bit late for me to make a proper story right now, but here's a modified Stuart with an enlarged turret and a 75mm M3 gun, possibly as an American attempt to up-gun the Stuart to better combat the Germans. If the Brazilians could create this, I don't see why the Americans can't many years earlier.
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Wow!
 

Jotun

Am I the only one who thinks that a tank armed with a GAU-8A is a waste of money and ammunition?

It only works against MBTs from the rear and from above. There are mounted weapons better suited for anti-infantry, MOUT and anti-air use.
 
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Claymore

Claymore

Jotun said:
Am I the only one who thinks that a tank armed with a GAU-8A is a waste of money and ammunition?

It only works against MBTs from the rear and from above. There are mounted weapons better suited for anti-infantry, MOUT and anti-air use.
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No one, and especially me, is arguing that a GAU-8 is a truly dreadful weapon for anti-armour warfare and that is why I have never stated that that is the intention of this design. The M60A4, a modified version of the AH IDF Magach 5 Avenger (see my earlier model at the link below), is a mid-1970s attempt to produce an escort tank not unlike the more modern OTL Russian BMPT Terminator. In other words, the M60A4's mission is primarily infantry support and the support of armour in urban environments. You're just going to have to wait for my full back story to find out how successful the M60A4 was in this role. ;)
 

Jotun

Claymore said:
No one, and especially me, is arguing that a GAU-8 is a truly dreadful weapon for anti-armour warfare and that is why I have never stated that that is the intention of this design. The M60A4, a modified version of the AH IDF Magach 5 Avenger (see my earlier model at the link below), is a mid-1970s attempt to produce an escort tank not unlike the more modern OTL Russian BMPT Terminator. In other words, the M60A4's mission is primarily infantry support and the support of armour in urban environments. You're just going to have to wait for my full back story to find out how successful the M60A4 was in this role. ;)
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Ah. But the BMPT is infinitely better armoured...so I am not holding my breath ;)
 
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