Alternative female national personification for America

Thande

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OK, this is for LTTW primarily. In OTL of course America's female national personification is Columbia. However, in TTL America has a more antagonistic relationship with Spanish-speaking countries and, more importantly, it seems likely that the United Provinces of South America would grab all the Columbian symbolism first.

I suppose you could go with an analogous one for an early English explorer ("Cabotia" ?) but what might alternatives be? There's Americana, but that seems kind of obvious.
 

Susano

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Yeah, but most female personifications are. Marianne is an exception of course, but Britannia and Germania... yeah, creative. And theyre all the same, too. At least the Japanese put a bit creativity in their x-tans :p
 
OK, this is for LTTW primarily. In OTL of course America's female national personification is Columbia. However, in TTL America has a more antagonistic relationship with Spanish-speaking countries and, more importantly, it seems likely that the United Provinces of South America would grab all the Columbian symbolism first.

I suppose you could go with an analogous one for an early English explorer ("Cabotia" ?) but what might alternatives be? There's Americana, but that seems kind of obvious.

Columbia != Colombia.
 
You are forgetting Liberty, who is a much better known and more widely used female personification of the USA than Columbia. She even has a big statue in New York Harbor.
 
Depends really. Nowadays we don't even use Columbia anymore (Some old guy who keeps pointing at people is apparently more photogenic. Go figure).

"Virginia" might be a good alternative, what with the colony having been Frederick's seat of power in the 1700s.

If TTL Americans are still big on freedom, then Lady Liberty would still work.

Heck, why do they have to be realistic? In the 1780s, the US was depicted as a Native American, so "India" might be as good a name as any.
 
You are forgetting Liberty, who is a much better known and more widely used female personification of the USA than Columbia. She even has a big statue in New York Harbor.

Yeah, I've never even heard of Columbia - and I'm fairly attentive. Besides the statue, Liberty has a long history on coins, flags, cartoons, etc.
 
How about Gloriana? The name of the Faerie Queen in Edmund Spenser's epic poem who based her off of Queen Elizabeth I which "Virginia" also takes its name from.
 
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Yes and that had nothing to do with what I just said.

In that case, I apologize for misunderstanding...but I still don't understand even a little what's wrong with Columbia. I mean, it's not like Columbus was Spanish (and in the US, Columbus day is most strongly associated with Italian-American pride)
 
'America' had been represented as a glorified Native American woman since the discovery of the New World. Pick up some National American Heritage books on the exploration of the New World and the Revolution, and you'll find it's amazingly consistent until the ARW-even during it, British political cartoons depicted the colonies by an Amerindian chick. It also fits in with what you mentioned of the turkey and American people themselves being 'exotic' to Europeans in many LTTW entries. I vote that and simply knowing her as 'America'-it'll also fit in with the British female personification being simply known as 'Britannia'.

Further, as a poetical name, remember that Cabot was pushed upon the colonists as discovering NORTH America, which the colonists dwelled on...'Cabotia' seems fine as a poetical name for the land.

Witness: http://www.snowwowl.com/histswritnawomen.html

In short, female personification as an Amerindian woman, 'Cabotia' as the Classical/Latinate/Poetical name for the ENA.
 
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Thande

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'America' had been represented as a glorified Native American woman since the discovery of the New World. Pick up some National American Heritage books on the exploration of the New World and the Revolution, and you'll find it's amazingly consistent until the ARW-even during it, British political cartoons depicted the colonies by an Amerindian chick. l name for the land.

That makes sense. I have seen representations of the colonies as a male native in cartoons by Gillray of the ARW.

As for a male personification, it's Brother Jonathon - same as it was with the colonies and the USA in OTL before someone invented Uncle Sam.
 
That makes sense. I have seen representations of the colonies as a male native in cartoons by Gillray of the ARW.

As for a male personification, it's Brother Jonathon - same as it was with the colonies and the USA in OTL before someone invented Uncle Sam.

Gar! How could I ever forget Brother Jonny! *smacks forehead*

But good call. That should lead to some good political cartoons of TTL as B.J. deals with J.B.-John Bull. :D
 
Incidentally, in British iconopgraphy from the Revolutionary Era America was usually depicted as an Indian princess. I could see that taking off.
 

Thande

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Incidentally, in British iconopgraphy from the Revolutionary Era America was usually depicted as an Indian princess. I could see that taking off.

A point, especially given the good relations with some Indian nations in my TL, although I don't know if the white colonists would like it that much.

An example of this is the political cartoon below from the late American Revolutionary War, although here America (on the far left) is depicted as a male Indian.

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A point, especially given the good relations with some Indian nations in my TL, although I don't know if the white colonists would like it that much.

Depends. They weren't immune to the lure of the myth of the noble savage. Look at who wrote Last of the Mohicans frex.

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