Alternate World War 1 alliances

Who would win? The alternate Entente, or alternate Central Powers?


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Make the Entente contain the British Empire, France, the Ottomans, Austria-Hungry, Bulgaria and Belgium. And make the central powers contain Germany, Russia, Italy, Serbia, Greece, and the United States.

(This is my first what if so sorry if it's been done before or if it's a bad one)
 
Rim powers (USA, UK, Japan and France) vs the Centralists (Germany, AH, Russia, Ottoman Empire and Italy)

Belgiums soverignty is (initially at least) respected and this reduces the Western Front by about 50% (plus the southern Western Front Franco-Italian Boarder) as well as delaying Britains entry into the war (no immediate reason for Britains involvement)
 
I suspect the Central Powers win, but it's not a sweeping victory.
Eagle v Shark = CP totally demolish the Entente until they reach the beaches
M1 CP cut off all trade with British and their allies. All British shipping in American and CP ports are seized crippling the merchant marine. Commerce raiders begin starvation blockade of British Isles
M15 Germany and Italy launch invasion of France and Belgium
M15 Serbo-Bulgarian border war frees Austrian troops to face Russia
M23 Russian offensive begins with 53 division invading Austria
m40 Germans, advancing at a leisurely pace reach Marne. French launch last ditch counter offensive. Fails. British forces begin to make a run for the Channel
M60 Russian assault on Austria reaches 90 divisions. Mass surrenders and desertions deplete Austrian ranks

M75 France and Austria sue for peace. Turn over all heavy weapons and naval forces to Central Powers Central Powers now have absolute hegemony over the continent and the seas

Seriously

Russia destroys Austria and Germany beats France, Belgium and the British OTl in the first six weeks of war. The only thing that saves Austria is the Russians sending forces against the Germans. Same for the Western powers. If the Germans aren't pressed for time, have to divert forces against Russia and have the Italians backing them up, how are Britain, Belgium and France lasting past the Marne?

Even if we generously allow for the French and Austrian fleets to flee to Britain, how is Britain going to hold out? There won't be anyone to trade with even if by some miracle they could keep the sea lanes open
 
M1 CP cut off all trade with British and their allies. All British shipping in American and CP ports are seized crippling the merchant marine. Commerce raiders begin starvation blockade of British Isles
M15 Germany and Italy launch invasion of France and Belgium
M15 Serbo-Bulgarian border war frees Austrian troops to face Russia
M23 Russian offensive begins with 53 division invading Austria
m40 Germans, advancing at a leisurely pace reach Marne. French launch last ditch counter offensive. Fails. British forces begin to make a run for the Channel
M60 Russian assault on Austria reaches 90 divisions. Mass surrenders and desertions deplete Austrian ranks

M75 France and Austria sue for peace. Turn over all heavy weapons and naval forces to Central Powers Central Powers now have absolute hegemony over the continent and the seas

Seriously

Russia destroys Austria and Germany beats France, Belgium and the British OTl in the first six weeks of war. The only thing that saves Austria is the Russians sending forces against the Germans. Same for the Western powers. If the Germans aren't pressed for time, have to divert forces against Russia and have the Italians backing them up, how are Britain, Belgium and France lasting past the Marne?

Even if we generously allow for the French and Austrian fleets to flee to Britain, how is Britain going to hold out? There won't be anyone to trade with even if by some miracle they could keep the sea lanes open
So, then what you'll you say the effects would be? Which territories go to which powers?
 
Make the Entente contain the British Empire, France, the Ottomans, Austria-Hungry, Bulgaria and Belgium. And make the central powers contain Germany, Russia, Italy, Serbia, Greece, and the United States.

(This is my first what if so sorry if it's been done before or if it's a bad one)

An Austria-Hungary that would be allied against Italy, Germany, Serbia, and Russia would be completely different from the one in the OTL. Either more culturally unified or existing in a world where Nationalism isn't an issue. Either way, it's not going to be a dual Monarchy.

If that's not an issue, and Austria is legitimately a big enough dog to defend 3/4 of it's borders from invasion, the Entente is coming out on top here.
 

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An Austria-Hungary that would be allied against Italy, Germany, Serbia, and Russia would be completely different from the one in the OTL. Either more culturally unified or existing in a world where Nationalism isn't an issue. Either way, it's not going to be a dual Monarchy.
Or Austria is the cow that's being eaten by a pack of wolves.

BTW I don't even think it's that implausible: Such an alliance can emerge if Germany chooses Russia when the League of Tree Emperors breaks up - and the rest is enemy-of-an-enemy-logic.
But how do the US end up with the CPs?
 
Make the Entente contain the British Empire, France, the Ottomans, Austria-Hungry, Bulgaria and Belgium. And make the central powers contain Germany, Russia, Italy, Serbia, Greece, and the United States.

(This is my first what if so sorry if it's been done before or if it's a bad one)
You didn't specify a date for this conflict so I'll assume the war occurs around the same time as OTL's WWI (the war occurring significantly earlier or later could have pretty major affects).

A big problem is that Germany didn't decide to pick allies based on coin tosses. They wanted a weaker ally that would be its dependant subordinate, that's what Austria offered where as Russia was growing fast, strong, and was pursuing a western looking agenda. And in such a scenario Austria's unlikely to loosen its grip on Serbia (Serbia was in Austria's orbit prior to the coup of 1903). You could have a completely different German government and have the Habsburgs hold the idiot ball for three decades strait, but it's a bit of a contrived scenario.

As to the question, if the armies are somehow the same as OTL in structure, equipment, and performance then this war is over within 1-4 months. With possible butterflies it can last as much as two years. Either way the "Central" Powers stomp (although in the latter scenario Italy's economy takes quite the thrashing). Realistically Austria-Hungary and France do the math, realize their alliance is impotent and they seek accommodation with the new hegemonic alliance before the first shot is fired, and the UK curses itself for having not foreseen that German unification would lead to a collapse of the continental balance of power.

You're new here, don't bother reading the following vent.
A couple months back we had like three threads on this topic (or a minor variation of it) at the same time. I'm really not sure why a land war between the two foremost land powers in Europe against two second rate land powers (one of which is completely surrounded) and a naval power is so popular. I mean I could understand if they were just doing a plausibility check on their planned Austro-French screw, but I'm genuinely surprised that all the OP's have asked what the outcome would be.
 
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Or Austria is the cow that's being eaten by a pack of wolves.
This is the reason why I don't think Austria would be allied against both Germany and Russia unless it had reasonable defenses. Bad enough to be shut out of the Three Emperors League (I think Austria would give up a lot to stay in the club and avoid enemies on all sides), but an alliance with Britain and France provides little assistance and risks both provoking Germany and Russia, and being drawn into a conflict they might otherwise stay out of.
 
This is the reason why I don't think Austria would be allied against both Germany and Russia unless it had reasonable defenses. Bad enough to be shut out of the Three Emperors League (I think Austria would give up a lot to stay in the club and avoid enemies on all sides), but an alliance with Britain and France provides little assistance and risks both provoking Germany and Russia, and being drawn into a conflict they might otherwise stay out of.

totally agree here. If Russia and Germany unite, the continent will fall to them without a fight. Italy would join in a heartbeat. No longer would they have to choose which enemy to fight first Austria or France. The only hope for Austria and France would be to divert the Russo-Germans attention elsewhere- that is against Britain and her easily divisible Empire

Nor is such an alliance difficult. The Kaiser and the Tsar basically agreed to it at Bjorko They should have stuck to it. They definitely would have if the Germans had offered the alliance before the Manchurian War
 
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