Ah. Better than OTL anyway. Will there ever be another Socialist president? After all, the CSU did get leadership candidates for the CDU/CSU...
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They'll get the occasional crossover candidate for VP or a Congressional Committee Leadership. Maybe one day a particularly popular congressman could get a shot? Likely not, they'll mostly be representing very liberal and/or urban districts: It would be like nominating Nancy Pelosi or Charlie Rangel for President. They're good at what they do, but sometimes aiming for the sky means crashing into the firmament.
I see. Maybe after two terms of a successful Populist president with a Socialist veep, the veep has a shot?
Yes it would be a possibility.
Anyone else have any other questions (*cough* not about the Socialists) in the Twilight of Lodge's Bill?
23: Benjamin Harrison (Republican-Ohio) 1889-1893
24: Grover Cleveland (Democratic-New York) 1893-1897
25: William McKinley (Republican-Ohio) 1897-1905
26: William Jennings Bryan (Populist-Nebraska) 1905-1913
27: Oscar Underwood (Republican-Alabama) 1913-1917
28: John Weeks (Republican-Massachusetts) 1917-1921
29: Robert M. La Follette, Sr. (Socialist-Wisconsin) 1921-1923
30: George W. P. Hunt (Populist-Arizona) 1923-1929
31: James E. Watson (Republican-Indiana) 1929-1933
32: Morris Sheppard (Prohibition-Texas) 1933
33: Fiorello La Guardia (Populist-New York) 1933-1941?
24: Grover Cleveland (Democratic-New York) 1893-1897
25: William McKinley (Republican-Ohio) 1897-1905
26: William Jennings Bryan (Populist-Nebraska) 1905-1913
27: Oscar Underwood (Republican-Alabama) 1913-1917
28: John Weeks (Republican-Massachusetts) 1917-1921
29: Robert M. La Follette, Sr. (Socialist-Wisconsin) 1921-1923
30: George W. P. Hunt (Populist-Arizona) 1923-1929
31: James E. Watson (Republican-Indiana) 1929-1933
32: Morris Sheppard (Prohibition-Texas) 1933
33: Fiorello La Guardia (Populist-New York) 1933-1941?
Jesus Christ, TB. I get that you're a leftist, but enough with the Socialists.
Your obsession with them and your seeming need for them to both survive and prosper is very weird and kind of annoying considering that Nofix said that they basically won and readjusted the entire political spectrum to the point where their beliefs are mainstream.
Your obsession with them and your seeming need for them to both survive and prosper is very weird and kind of annoying considering that Nofix said that they basically won and readjusted the entire political spectrum to the point where their beliefs are mainstream.
I've stopped that and I posted a list of the presidents of his brilliant list as a peace offering.
Yeah, they should elect Progressive Conservatives instead
I think you mean Radical Liberals!
Yeah, they should elect Progressive Conservatives instead
I think you mean Radical Liberals!
One of my beta ideas was the Social Republican Party (briefly mentioned in update 1932), and the Conservative Socialist Party. But that would bust too many heads, and I'd have angry gangs of Cannucks busting down my door for stealing their party ideas.
So long and thanks for all the support
(Alright I don't have class today so you're getting two boxes in as many days!)
With start of his "second" term, La Guardia saw fit to relax and pull back a bit in his ambitions. Part of it was he had already done most of what he wanted to do, part was that the Constitutionalists were making more and more headway into Congress and in state offices.
With the victory in Japan he decided to shuffle around his cabinet. Norman Thomas was appointed the Secretary of Public Welfare, one of a few socialists brought in to appease the ailing but now dangerous party. Franklin Roosevelt went from Senator to Secretary of the Navy (one of few politicians to run as a independent and not court any party for most of his career), Arthur Vandenberg as Secretary of State (the old man being a fierce critic on domestic policy, but actually quite cooperative on the war made him a prime target to appease).
Unemployment was down, the economy moving, Wars in the East gradually ending, things were looking peaceful. So, it was asked by British Prime Minister Arthur Henderson, how can we keep the peace? The last few decades had seen on and off again war. One year everyone trading and content to make more money then the other, the next bombing the other in the hopes of crippling industry. "Uncle" Arthur requested a delegation of the worlds primer powers for a "World Congress" to decide border disputes, investigate political violence, and promote self-governance. While many saw this as surrendering national interests to foreign powers, some saw it as a new way the world would run. La Guardia was all for it, the rest of the US needed some convincing.
The World Congress election, as it was called, faced internationalist versus isolationist. People who wanted to us the US's powers for good, and those who wanted to "avoid foreign entanglements". The Populists won Congress (for a 3rd time in a row losing seats) and embarked on signing the Treaty establishing it. Constitutionalists were split on the issue, they didn't have a President to glare down on individual members to get in line, and many refuse to accept America's responsibility to police other parts of the world.
His main opponent's were Vanderberg (who quit as Secretary of State in 1939), Arthur James (loud and fervent opponent in the Senate), Herbert Hoover (former Populist-turned-Constitutionalist), and Ohio Governor Robert Taft. A few Socialists and disaffected populists primaried him, but he steamrolled them without even acknowledging them. He did however try and appease them with his VP choice.
As it was La Guardia geared up for another term. Many of his already smoldering detractors lost it, declaring him to have put the final nail in the Founders coffin by running for a third term. Supporters fought back that after years of claiming his first term was illegitimate, why shouldn't the previous be the real first? Either way he won, against a party split on various factions. The Socialists wanted to contest this one, but a caucus of Congressmen endorsed La Guardia for another term after choosing Socialist mayor and Governor of Connecticut, Jasper McLevy, for his VP (the similarly named Levey becoming the Ambassador to the World Congress). This was the final act consigning them to death as a major force, made official with their disbandment in 1955. A few men would migrate to the Populists after disbandment (Golden Populists as they were known in the 60's and 70's), but most quit after their views became mainstream and watered down.
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A new dawn had descended on American politics. Like a Phoenix America died and was reborn new and young, ready to take on the world. Would they succeed, would involvement in world affairs only bring ruin and despair? No one knew, and everyone was afraid to know. But some, some were anxious to go out and conquer the problems of old and usher in peace.
And all because a handful of western men decided to take their bribes an support a bill the never thought would mean anything to them.
1890 Lodge Bill Timeline:
1892 Presidential and Congressional elections
1894 Congress/1896 general elections
1898 Congress/1900 general election
1902 Congress/1904 general elections
*John Calhoun Bell biography
1906 Congressional elections
1908 General Elections
1910 Congress/1912 general election
1914 House elections
1916 General Elections
1918 House elections
1920 Presidential Election
1920 House and Senate elections
1922 House elections
1924 General Elections
1926 Congress/1928 General election
*Eugene Debs Biography
1932 Presidential Election
1936 Presidential Election
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THE END
(Alright I don't have class today so you're getting two boxes in as many days!)
With start of his "second" term, La Guardia saw fit to relax and pull back a bit in his ambitions. Part of it was he had already done most of what he wanted to do, part was that the Constitutionalists were making more and more headway into Congress and in state offices.
With the victory in Japan he decided to shuffle around his cabinet. Norman Thomas was appointed the Secretary of Public Welfare, one of a few socialists brought in to appease the ailing but now dangerous party. Franklin Roosevelt went from Senator to Secretary of the Navy (one of few politicians to run as a independent and not court any party for most of his career), Arthur Vandenberg as Secretary of State (the old man being a fierce critic on domestic policy, but actually quite cooperative on the war made him a prime target to appease).
Unemployment was down, the economy moving, Wars in the East gradually ending, things were looking peaceful. So, it was asked by British Prime Minister Arthur Henderson, how can we keep the peace? The last few decades had seen on and off again war. One year everyone trading and content to make more money then the other, the next bombing the other in the hopes of crippling industry. "Uncle" Arthur requested a delegation of the worlds primer powers for a "World Congress" to decide border disputes, investigate political violence, and promote self-governance. While many saw this as surrendering national interests to foreign powers, some saw it as a new way the world would run. La Guardia was all for it, the rest of the US needed some convincing.
The World Congress election, as it was called, faced internationalist versus isolationist. People who wanted to us the US's powers for good, and those who wanted to "avoid foreign entanglements". The Populists won Congress (for a 3rd time in a row losing seats) and embarked on signing the Treaty establishing it. Constitutionalists were split on the issue, they didn't have a President to glare down on individual members to get in line, and many refuse to accept America's responsibility to police other parts of the world.
His main opponent's were Vanderberg (who quit as Secretary of State in 1939), Arthur James (loud and fervent opponent in the Senate), Herbert Hoover (former Populist-turned-Constitutionalist), and Ohio Governor Robert Taft. A few Socialists and disaffected populists primaried him, but he steamrolled them without even acknowledging them. He did however try and appease them with his VP choice.
As it was La Guardia geared up for another term. Many of his already smoldering detractors lost it, declaring him to have put the final nail in the Founders coffin by running for a third term. Supporters fought back that after years of claiming his first term was illegitimate, why shouldn't the previous be the real first? Either way he won, against a party split on various factions. The Socialists wanted to contest this one, but a caucus of Congressmen endorsed La Guardia for another term after choosing Socialist mayor and Governor of Connecticut, Jasper McLevy, for his VP (the similarly named Levey becoming the Ambassador to the World Congress). This was the final act consigning them to death as a major force, made official with their disbandment in 1955. A few men would migrate to the Populists after disbandment (Golden Populists as they were known in the 60's and 70's), but most quit after their views became mainstream and watered down.
---
A new dawn had descended on American politics. Like a Phoenix America died and was reborn new and young, ready to take on the world. Would they succeed, would involvement in world affairs only bring ruin and despair? No one knew, and everyone was afraid to know. But some, some were anxious to go out and conquer the problems of old and usher in peace.
And all because a handful of western men decided to take their bribes an support a bill the never thought would mean anything to them.
1890 Lodge Bill Timeline:
1892 Presidential and Congressional elections
1894 Congress/1896 general elections
1898 Congress/1900 general election
1902 Congress/1904 general elections
*John Calhoun Bell biography
1906 Congressional elections
1908 General Elections
1910 Congress/1912 general election
1914 House elections
1916 General Elections
1918 House elections
1920 Presidential Election
1920 House and Senate elections
1922 House elections
1924 General Elections
1926 Congress/1928 General election
*Eugene Debs Biography
1932 Presidential Election
1936 Presidential Election
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THE END
Infobox for the 2014 Swedish general election in the American Commonwealth timeline. The Red-Green coalition has been in power since 2006 and this year narrowly lost it power to a divided opposition with Liberal leader Birgitta Ohlsson given the role of forming a new government.
I'm actually starting to get interested in Foreign politics again, and Sweden seems like an interesting place to start reading.
It's a lot like Canadian politics - interesting enough if you give it some time, but still not exactly cutthroat.
Bracken over Socialism
Due to the volatile nature of the minority parliament, Bob Rae’s government failed to last even a year in power, brought down by a vote of non-confidence by the combined support of the Tories and Reform. The brief time between elections had not even allowed the New Democrats to pass any form of major legislation whatsoever, in particular their controversial Bill C-18, entitled An Act to Amend the Canadian Labour Code, which allowed Unions greater strength with respect to strikes and lockouts and the removal of the term Right to Work. Although easily defeated, the Bill provided the Opposition with enough ammo to paint the New Democrats as what they had been described as in the 1960’s, a vessel for Union bosses and not the average, hardworking Canadian voter.
Much like the previous campaign the election was fought over the issue of who Canadians could trust to lead their government, with the Tories, who had moderated many of their positions to win over swing voters, using the slogan “Demand Better”. Pallister attempted to portray himself as the boring economist candidate with no interest in social issues like abortion or same-sex marriage, saying both issues had been decided upon by voters and as a result his party would not revisit them. The New Democrats however argued that the Tories had a hidden agenda based on social conservatism, much akin to the Republican party of the United States, which would be implemented if they assumed power. Gerard Kennedy, who due to brief time frame between elections had been allowed by the party caucus to stay on as leader for one more election, campaign on the concept of introducing a Transparency Act to Parliament, which would hold parties and politicians to higher account with respect to spending.
Yet the party with the greatest difficulty in the campaign was Reform. Having been formed primarily as a tool for Paul Martin to seek revenge on former Prime Minister John Manley, and with Martin retired to the quiet life of academia in Montreal, the party had little purpose or difference with their counterpart. While the party had gained a significant number of seats in the previous election, their victory was more the result of angry Liberal voters letting off steam than actually siding with them. As such, while polls still showed a number of Liberal voters angry towards their leader, the fact that the Grits had proposed the transparency act suggested to voters that the Reform party lacked any real ideas of reforming parliament. In the hopes of dealing a crippling blow to the Liberals, Volpe made the idea that if the New Democrats gained enough seats in the election the Liberals would simply form yet another coalition with them, selling out their supporters for power, the driving force of his entire campaign.
At the end of the campaign voters decided the New Democrats still had some maturing to do if they were to granted true power, handing the Tories a narrow minority government and sending the New Democrats back to the Opposition benches. Prime Minister-designate Pallister promised to usher in a new era of responsible conservative government, while the NDP looked to a desperate ally to retake power, even if that meant sacrificing their founding principles to attain it.
Prime Ministers of Canada:
Arthur Meighen (Conservative) 1920-1921
William Lyon Mackenzie King (Liberal) 1921-1926
Arthur Meighen (Conservative) 1926
William Lyon Mackenzie King (Liberal) 1926-1930
R.B. Bennett (Conservative) 1930-1935
William Lyon Mackenzie King (Liberal) 1935-1944
John Bracken (Progressive Conservative) 1944-1952
Charles Gavan Power (Liberal) 1952-1962
Paul Martin, Sr. (Liberal) 1962-1967
Davie Fulton (Progressive Conservative) 1967-1978
Erik Nielsen (Progressive Conservative) 1978-1979
Jean Marchand (Liberal) 1979-1980
Erik Nielsen (Progressive Conservative) 1980-1984
Iona Campagnolo (Liberal) 1984-1994
John Manley (Liberal) 1994-1996
Lucien Bouchard (Progressive Conservative) 1996-2003
Bob Rae (New Democrat) 2003-2006
Brian Pallister (Progressive Conservative) 2006-
Senate Leaders of Canada:
John Turner (Liberal) 1996
David Crombie (Progressive Conservative) 1996-1999
Brian Mulroney (Progressive Conservative) 1999-2001
John Crosbie (Progressive Conservative) 2001-2003
Alexa McDonough (New Democrat) 2003-
Governor Generals of Canada:
Joe Clark (Non-Partisan) 1996-2002
Margaret Atwood (Non-Partisan) 2002-
Bracken over Socialism
Canadian federal election, 1944
Canadian federal election, 1946
Canadian federal election, 1951
Canadian federal election, 1952
Progressive Conservative leadership election, 1953
Canadian federal election, 1956
Canadian federal election, 1960
Progressive Conservative leadership election, 1961
Liberal leadership election, 1962
Canadian federal election, 1965
Progressive Conservative leadership election, 1966
Canadian federal election, 1967
Liberal leadership election, 1970
Canadian federal election, 1971
Canadian federal election, 1975
Progressive Conservative leadership election, 1978
Liberal leadership election, 1978
Canadian federal election, 1979
Canadian federal election, 1980
Liberal leadership election, 1981
Canadian federal election, 1984
Progressive Conservative leadership election, 1986
Canadian federal election, 1988
Canadian federal election, 1992
Progressive Conservative leadership election, 1993
Liberal leadership election, 1994
Canadian federal and Senate elections, 1996
Governor General election, 1996
Canadian federal and Senate elections, 2000
Governor General election, 2002
Canadian federal and Senate elections, 2003
Progressive Conservative leadership election, 2004
Canadian federal and Senate elections, 2005
Canadian federal and Senate elections, 2006
Due to the volatile nature of the minority parliament, Bob Rae’s government failed to last even a year in power, brought down by a vote of non-confidence by the combined support of the Tories and Reform. The brief time between elections had not even allowed the New Democrats to pass any form of major legislation whatsoever, in particular their controversial Bill C-18, entitled An Act to Amend the Canadian Labour Code, which allowed Unions greater strength with respect to strikes and lockouts and the removal of the term Right to Work. Although easily defeated, the Bill provided the Opposition with enough ammo to paint the New Democrats as what they had been described as in the 1960’s, a vessel for Union bosses and not the average, hardworking Canadian voter.
Much like the previous campaign the election was fought over the issue of who Canadians could trust to lead their government, with the Tories, who had moderated many of their positions to win over swing voters, using the slogan “Demand Better”. Pallister attempted to portray himself as the boring economist candidate with no interest in social issues like abortion or same-sex marriage, saying both issues had been decided upon by voters and as a result his party would not revisit them. The New Democrats however argued that the Tories had a hidden agenda based on social conservatism, much akin to the Republican party of the United States, which would be implemented if they assumed power. Gerard Kennedy, who due to brief time frame between elections had been allowed by the party caucus to stay on as leader for one more election, campaign on the concept of introducing a Transparency Act to Parliament, which would hold parties and politicians to higher account with respect to spending.
Yet the party with the greatest difficulty in the campaign was Reform. Having been formed primarily as a tool for Paul Martin to seek revenge on former Prime Minister John Manley, and with Martin retired to the quiet life of academia in Montreal, the party had little purpose or difference with their counterpart. While the party had gained a significant number of seats in the previous election, their victory was more the result of angry Liberal voters letting off steam than actually siding with them. As such, while polls still showed a number of Liberal voters angry towards their leader, the fact that the Grits had proposed the transparency act suggested to voters that the Reform party lacked any real ideas of reforming parliament. In the hopes of dealing a crippling blow to the Liberals, Volpe made the idea that if the New Democrats gained enough seats in the election the Liberals would simply form yet another coalition with them, selling out their supporters for power, the driving force of his entire campaign.
At the end of the campaign voters decided the New Democrats still had some maturing to do if they were to granted true power, handing the Tories a narrow minority government and sending the New Democrats back to the Opposition benches. Prime Minister-designate Pallister promised to usher in a new era of responsible conservative government, while the NDP looked to a desperate ally to retake power, even if that meant sacrificing their founding principles to attain it.
Prime Ministers of Canada:
Arthur Meighen (Conservative) 1920-1921
William Lyon Mackenzie King (Liberal) 1921-1926
Arthur Meighen (Conservative) 1926
William Lyon Mackenzie King (Liberal) 1926-1930
R.B. Bennett (Conservative) 1930-1935
William Lyon Mackenzie King (Liberal) 1935-1944
John Bracken (Progressive Conservative) 1944-1952
Charles Gavan Power (Liberal) 1952-1962
Paul Martin, Sr. (Liberal) 1962-1967
Davie Fulton (Progressive Conservative) 1967-1978
Erik Nielsen (Progressive Conservative) 1978-1979
Jean Marchand (Liberal) 1979-1980
Erik Nielsen (Progressive Conservative) 1980-1984
Iona Campagnolo (Liberal) 1984-1994
John Manley (Liberal) 1994-1996
Lucien Bouchard (Progressive Conservative) 1996-2003
Bob Rae (New Democrat) 2003-2006
Brian Pallister (Progressive Conservative) 2006-
Senate Leaders of Canada:
John Turner (Liberal) 1996
David Crombie (Progressive Conservative) 1996-1999
Brian Mulroney (Progressive Conservative) 1999-2001
John Crosbie (Progressive Conservative) 2001-2003
Alexa McDonough (New Democrat) 2003-
Governor Generals of Canada:
Joe Clark (Non-Partisan) 1996-2002
Margaret Atwood (Non-Partisan) 2002-
Bracken over Socialism
Canadian federal election, 1944
Canadian federal election, 1946
Canadian federal election, 1951
Canadian federal election, 1952
Progressive Conservative leadership election, 1953
Canadian federal election, 1956
Canadian federal election, 1960
Progressive Conservative leadership election, 1961
Liberal leadership election, 1962
Canadian federal election, 1965
Progressive Conservative leadership election, 1966
Canadian federal election, 1967
Liberal leadership election, 1970
Canadian federal election, 1971
Canadian federal election, 1975
Progressive Conservative leadership election, 1978
Liberal leadership election, 1978
Canadian federal election, 1979
Canadian federal election, 1980
Liberal leadership election, 1981
Canadian federal election, 1984
Progressive Conservative leadership election, 1986
Canadian federal election, 1988
Canadian federal election, 1992
Progressive Conservative leadership election, 1993
Liberal leadership election, 1994
Canadian federal and Senate elections, 1996
Governor General election, 1996
Canadian federal and Senate elections, 2000
Governor General election, 2002
Canadian federal and Senate elections, 2003
Progressive Conservative leadership election, 2004
Canadian federal and Senate elections, 2005
Canadian federal and Senate elections, 2006
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