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Since the Lodge Bill TL is coming to a close I wanted to gather some statistics to take note for my next project:
1.) How many people actually look (or are subscribed to) my wikibox thread? I'm always wondering if people spoil the story for themselves by looking at that first.
2.) How to do you think I've handled the political shake-up following the eponymous Lodge Bill, as well as the various political changes (party switchers, rise of Socialists and Prohibitionists, America staying isolationist longer, etc.)
3.) Any people you want to know about in-universe?
1.) How many people actually look (or are subscribed to) my wikibox thread? I'm always wondering if people spoil the story for themselves by looking at that first.
2.) How to do you think I've handled the political shake-up following the eponymous Lodge Bill, as well as the various political changes (party switchers, rise of Socialists and Prohibitionists, America staying isolationist longer, etc.)
3.) Any people you want to know about in-universe?
It's coming to a close? 
I think you did it very well and you should continue it as long as possible.
I think you did it very well and you should continue it as long as possible.
It's coming to a close?
I think you did it very well and you should continue it as long as possible.
If it keeps going to long it'll get boring. Best to let it retire early then to whip the horse to death (plus I don't like the idea of involving people who were born past the POD in the story, but I don't know if I've broken that rule, this is just something that I like to keep because it's still plausible if not probable). I might one day come back to it, or turn it into an opensource project like True North, but for now the end is nigh.
Also expect a Debs wikibox soon.
1. I'm content to wait like the 2 minutes it takes to upload here
2. Fantastic fuckery all around, Absolutely gorgeous.
3. Huey Long. I don't think you've mentioned him. And George Norris.
Yay and mega-yay. Long, unfortunately, was born after the POD (b. 1893) so he'd be a completely diffrent person. Probably a no one bumpkin in Lousiana.
Norris was a progressive Republican Nebraskan politician, but his political loyalties shifted as he elected as Governor in 1904 (Bryan winning the state but supporting Norris over the populist nominee due to perceive Norris as more liberal). His 2 terms oversaw the abolition of the State Senate, passing of some pension and fairer tax bills, direct election of Senators and extension of voting to women (before the amendments for it) and he switched parties in time for 1908. He won the election but saw an economic slowdown (many seeing it as the heavy taxation and regulations killing the economy) and retired in 1913. His longest lasting project was the Free Schools Act, which gave up to 2 years free of college for any "upstanding" and "well schooled" graduates.
Norris almost came back to politics when he ran for Senator in the early 20's, but decided against it for various reasons (mostly because people still blamed him for the economic troubles a decade ago). He remained a political writer till his death in 1959.
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Here Debs was a bit more successful in his political fortunes. One of many to defect from the Democrats to the Populists, he served several more terms in the State Senate and was even elected it's President Pro Tem for a session. However he felt some discontent with the Bryan administration, feeling like his focus was less on laborers and more on farmers. He decided to leave the Populists and join the Socialists after meeting Meyer London in 1904 and keeping in contact for some months. He became a party spokesperson, but never became particularly successful in his political fortunes until 1920. While he didn't like La Follette, thinking him a political turncoat, he decided to ride the wave of insurgent Socialism and became Governor of Indiana. After La Follette took office he was one of many to leave the party in disgust, but came back after Hunt took over.
He didn't do much as Governor, Socialists didn't like him for leaving and coming back, Social Democrats (or Independent Socialists at times) didn't like him for rejoining the Socialists, Populists didn't like him for leaving a decade ago and Republicans hated him for his hard-left politics. Debs did manage to appoint a few justices, but his battle to abolish term limits and expand gubernatorial power (to get around a hostile legislature), meant Watson was able to kick out the most famous Socialist in America.
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A Minor Meighen Majority
Following Bill Casey’s retirement, the Conservative leadership race boiled down to Quebec MP Andre Bachand, Nova Scotia Premier Peter MacKay, Toronto MP Stephen Harper, Calgary MP Jim Prentice, and Manitoba Premier Brian Pallister. Harper and Bachand emerged as the frontrunners, each hailing from a differing wing of the party. Harper came from the right, and was seen as the person best able to regain the support of Reform voters, while Bachand came from the left, and was seen as the person who would be best able to win election, particularly thanks to his appeal in Quebec. In a tough fight, Bachand ultimately won, but to ensure no more divisions, named Harper his Deputy Leader.
The New Alliance, meanwhile, faced a leadership race following the resignation of leader Svend Robinson amidst controversy, which elected Kenora MP Howard Hampton as leader. Hampton defeated several others for the position, including Bill Blaikie, Pierre Ducasse, and Libby Davies.
By the time incumbent Prime Minister Allan Rock asked for an election to be called in the fall of 2006, his government was still relatively popular, but polls increasingly showed that Canadians were ready for change after 12 years of National Liberal rule. Early polls showed the Conservatives in majority range, but Bachand's weak English and a successful National Liberal campaign characterizing him as "not a leader" led to the National Liberals making gains on the campaign trail.
However, these gains were not enough for Rock to hold on to power, and he was defeated after 5 years in office. Bachand's Conservatives fell short of a majority, however, winning a minority government and forcing Bachand to take a turn to the right in order to win the support of the Reform party and be able to keep his government afloat.
Prime Ministers of Canada:
William Lyon Mackenzie King (Liberal) 1921-1925
Arthur Meighen (Conservative) 1925-1933
Charles Avery Dunning (Liberal) 1933-1939
James Garfield Gardiner (National Liberal) 1939-1953
Brooke Claxton (National Liberal) 1953-1957
Howard Charles Green (Conservative) 1957-1965
James Sinclair (National Liberal) 1965-1973
Alan Eagleson (Conservative) 1973-1980
Jack Horner (Conservative) 1980
Pierre Trudeau (National Liberal) 1980-1984
Jack Horner (Conservative) 1984-1986
Pierre Trudeau (National Liberal) 1986-1987
Jack Horner (Conservative) 1987-1994
Bob Kaplan (National Liberal) 1994-2001
Allan Rock (National Liberal) 2001-2006
Andre Bachand (Conservative) 2006-present
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Canadian Federal Election 1973
Canadian Federal Election 1977
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Pierre Trudeau
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Following Bill Casey’s retirement, the Conservative leadership race boiled down to Quebec MP Andre Bachand, Nova Scotia Premier Peter MacKay, Toronto MP Stephen Harper, Calgary MP Jim Prentice, and Manitoba Premier Brian Pallister. Harper and Bachand emerged as the frontrunners, each hailing from a differing wing of the party. Harper came from the right, and was seen as the person best able to regain the support of Reform voters, while Bachand came from the left, and was seen as the person who would be best able to win election, particularly thanks to his appeal in Quebec. In a tough fight, Bachand ultimately won, but to ensure no more divisions, named Harper his Deputy Leader.
The New Alliance, meanwhile, faced a leadership race following the resignation of leader Svend Robinson amidst controversy, which elected Kenora MP Howard Hampton as leader. Hampton defeated several others for the position, including Bill Blaikie, Pierre Ducasse, and Libby Davies.
By the time incumbent Prime Minister Allan Rock asked for an election to be called in the fall of 2006, his government was still relatively popular, but polls increasingly showed that Canadians were ready for change after 12 years of National Liberal rule. Early polls showed the Conservatives in majority range, but Bachand's weak English and a successful National Liberal campaign characterizing him as "not a leader" led to the National Liberals making gains on the campaign trail.
However, these gains were not enough for Rock to hold on to power, and he was defeated after 5 years in office. Bachand's Conservatives fell short of a majority, however, winning a minority government and forcing Bachand to take a turn to the right in order to win the support of the Reform party and be able to keep his government afloat.
Prime Ministers of Canada:
William Lyon Mackenzie King (Liberal) 1921-1925
Arthur Meighen (Conservative) 1925-1933
Charles Avery Dunning (Liberal) 1933-1939
James Garfield Gardiner (National Liberal) 1939-1953
Brooke Claxton (National Liberal) 1953-1957
Howard Charles Green (Conservative) 1957-1965
James Sinclair (National Liberal) 1965-1973
Alan Eagleson (Conservative) 1973-1980
Jack Horner (Conservative) 1980
Pierre Trudeau (National Liberal) 1980-1984
Jack Horner (Conservative) 1984-1986
Pierre Trudeau (National Liberal) 1986-1987
Jack Horner (Conservative) 1987-1994
Bob Kaplan (National Liberal) 1994-2001
Allan Rock (National Liberal) 2001-2006
Andre Bachand (Conservative) 2006-present
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Canadian Federal Election 1925
Canadian Federal Election 1929
Canadian Federal Election 1933
Canadian Federal Election 1937
Canadian Federal Election 1940
Canadian Federal Election 1945
Canadian Federal Election 1950
Canadian Federal Election 1955
Canadian Federal Election 1957
Canadian Federal Election 1958
Canadian Federal Election 1961
Canadian Federal Election 1965
Canadian Federal Election 1967
Canadian Federal Election 1969
Canadian Federal Election 1973
Canadian Federal Election 1977
Canadian Federal Election 1980
Canadian Federal Election 1984
Canadian Federal Election 1986
Canadian Federal Election 1987
Pierre Trudeau
Canadian Federal Election 1989
Canadian Federal Election 1994
Jack Horner
Canadian Federal Election 1998
Canadian Federal Election 2002
Bob Kaplan
A Minor Meighen Majority
Prime Ministers of Canada:
William Lyon Mackenzie King (Liberal) 1921-1925
Arthur Meighen (Conservative) 1925-1933
Charles Avery Dunning (Liberal) 1933-1939
James Garfield Gardiner (National Liberal) 1939-1953
Brooke Claxton (National Liberal) 1953-1957
Howard Charles Green (Conservative) 1957-1965
James Sinclair (National Liberal) 1965-1973
Alan Eagleson (Conservative) 1973-1980
Jack Horner (Conservative) 1980
Pierre Trudeau (National Liberal) 1980-1984
Jack Horner (Conservative) 1984-1986
Pierre Trudeau (National Liberal) 1986-1987
Jack Horner (Conservative) 1987-1994
Bob Kaplan (National Liberal) 1994-2001
Allan Rock (National Liberal) 2001-2006
Andre Bachand (Conservative) 2006-present
A Minor Meighen Majority
Canadian Federal Election 1925
Canadian Federal Election 1929
Canadian Federal Election 1933
Canadian Federal Election 1937
Canadian Federal Election 1940
Canadian Federal Election 1945
Canadian Federal Election 1950
Canadian Federal Election 1955
Canadian Federal Election 1957
Canadian Federal Election 1958
Canadian Federal Election 1961
Canadian Federal Election 1965
Canadian Federal Election 1967
Canadian Federal Election 1969
Canadian Federal Election 1973
Canadian Federal Election 1977
Canadian Federal Election 1980
Canadian Federal Election 1984
Canadian Federal Election 1986
Canadian Federal Election 1987
Pierre Trudeau
Canadian Federal Election 1989
Canadian Federal Election 1994
Jack Horner
Canadian Federal Election 1998
Canadian Federal Election 2002
Bob Kaplan
Canadian Federal Election 2006
Prime Ministers of Canada:
William Lyon Mackenzie King (Liberal) 1921-1925
Arthur Meighen (Conservative) 1925-1933
Charles Avery Dunning (Liberal) 1933-1939
James Garfield Gardiner (National Liberal) 1939-1953
Brooke Claxton (National Liberal) 1953-1957
Howard Charles Green (Conservative) 1957-1965
James Sinclair (National Liberal) 1965-1973
Alan Eagleson (Conservative) 1973-1980
Jack Horner (Conservative) 1980
Pierre Trudeau (National Liberal) 1980-1984
Jack Horner (Conservative) 1984-1986
Pierre Trudeau (National Liberal) 1986-1987
Jack Horner (Conservative) 1987-1994
Bob Kaplan (National Liberal) 1994-2001
Allan Rock (National Liberal) 2001-2006
Andre Bachand (Conservative) 2006-present
A Minor Meighen Majority
Canadian Federal Election 1925
Canadian Federal Election 1929
Canadian Federal Election 1933
Canadian Federal Election 1937
Canadian Federal Election 1940
Canadian Federal Election 1945
Canadian Federal Election 1950
Canadian Federal Election 1955
Canadian Federal Election 1957
Canadian Federal Election 1958
Canadian Federal Election 1961
Canadian Federal Election 1965
Canadian Federal Election 1967
Canadian Federal Election 1969
Canadian Federal Election 1973
Canadian Federal Election 1977
Canadian Federal Election 1980
Canadian Federal Election 1984
Canadian Federal Election 1986
Canadian Federal Election 1987
Pierre Trudeau
Canadian Federal Election 1989
Canadian Federal Election 1994
Jack Horner
Canadian Federal Election 1998
Canadian Federal Election 2002
Bob Kaplan
Canadian Federal Election 2006
I'm surprised there've been a total lack of a sovereignist party in your TL.
Meh, it's something I wanted to avoid as it seems to common of an occurrence. Basically though, Trudeau, in his brief term in office, handles the constitution much better than IRL, as this time around he isn't facing off against 10 non-Liberal Premiers. A sovereigntist party still exists at the provincial level, doing relatively well, but this time around nobody ever felt the need to go federal
So for the most party, Quebecers have routinely voted en masse for the Liberals. For the most part. Bachand has been making some impressive inroads.
Ya just can't let the Tories have majority, can you?
In all seriousness, I love Bachand, no one has ever used him in a TL before and it's about high time someone did. Excellent result, although I'm still holding out hope that if Bachand wins similarly as Harper did OTL, than a majority should be within his grasp next election.
By the way, I've done a premiers list for Bracken over Socialism, and was wondering how I should post it. Should I go for the Alternate PMs/Presidents thread, or make it a separate series following the conclusion of the general election series?
In all seriousness, I love Bachand, no one has ever used him in a TL before and it's about high time someone did. Excellent result, although I'm still holding out hope that if Bachand wins similarly as Harper did OTL, than a majority should be within his grasp next election.
By the way, I've done a premiers list for Bracken over Socialism, and was wondering how I should post it. Should I go for the Alternate PMs/Presidents thread, or make it a separate series following the conclusion of the general election series?
CT, what do you think of True North's 1991 election? Bottom of last page.
Plus, Pauline Picard is quite underused for sovereigntist leaders in ATLs. I wonder why.
Plus, Pauline Picard is quite underused for sovereigntist leaders in ATLs. I wonder why.
I thought it looked marvelous. You really have a lot more patience at making them than I do
I thought it looked marvelous. You really have a lot more patience at making them than I do
Mosrly because I'm a perfectionist when it comes to them.
Ya just can't let the Tories have majority, can you?
In all seriousness, I love Bachand, no one has ever used him in a TL before and it's about high time someone did. Excellent result, although I'm still holding out hope that if Bachand wins similarly as Harper did OTL, than a majority should be within his grasp next election.
By the way, I've done a premiers list for Bracken over Socialism, and was wondering how I should post it. Should I go for the Alternate PMs/Presidents thread, or make it a separate series following the conclusion of the general election series?
Thanks! Plus, Bachand definitely has more Quebec appeal than Harper does...
It'd probably be a lost easier to just list them.
EOI-verse, a little cultural hometown touch. The Montreal Star is Montreal's sole surviving English daily newspaper. Politically the Star, like OTL, is a conservative paper which generally editorializes UN provincially and Tory federally.
I've got no clue why, but I have this awful feeling that he pulled a Efraín Ríos Montt and committed genocide against the Maya.
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