Alternate Wikipedia Infoboxes VI (Do Not Post Current Politics or Political Figures Here)

A fun not especially realistic answer to my own post - https://www.alternatehistory.com/fo...ijacks-the-business-plot.522788/post-22703656

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To elaborate on the background behind the above:

FDR is assassinated by anarchist Giuseppe Zangara in February 1933, as such John Nance Garner is inaugurated as President on 4 March 1933. Despite Garner proceeding much less enthusiastically with the New Deal than FDR in OTL, industry conspires and recruits decorated war hero Smedley Butler to overthrow Garner.

Now this is where things turn unrealistic.

Unlike OTL, Butler, here dissatisfied (but for very different reasons than for the coup plotters) with the Garner administration proceeds with the coup d'etat, ecstatic to receive financial support from the titans of industry of the day to raise an army of 500,000 Bonus Army veterans and marches on Washington DC, a beleaguered Garner 'resigns' from office, and Butler installs himself as the 33rd President of the United States, with Bonus Army leader Sergeant Walter W. Waters installed as Vice President.

Unbeknownst to the coup plotters, Butler turns out to be a committed leftist (as per OTL - Butler would in our timeline condemn American imperialism in a similar vein to Lenin - decrying it as a nascent fascism underpinned by Wall Street financial interests) and backstabs his financial patrons and governs as an American Chavez - a populist left wing general installing himself as President.

Butler enjoys popular support from great swarths of the American public eager for a radical response to a Depression, disappointed by Garner's moderation. Butler is also a beloved figure amongst both veterans and enlisted troops and is accordingly able to survive as President. Butler remains a popular figure while passing many of the same New Deal programs as OTL.

Butler runs for election in 1936 on a ticket for a yet again resurrected Progressive Party and dumps Waters for close ally Louisiana Senator Huey Long. Butler's Progressive Party subsumes Long's Share the Wealth movement as well as most Democratic and Republican progressives and stomps to a landslide victory, with the Democrats only relevant in the South (but not Louisiana, a safe Progressive state thanks to Huey Long) and the Republicans only winning traditional strongholds in the plains and north-east. Despite some allegations that Butler's election was a result of Bonus Army 'encouragement', his election was not considerably more dubious than usual for that era of American politics. America had elected a president that came to power with the barrel of a gun, but who largely governed in the interests of the American people.

Butler would serve as President until he died in 1940, with Huey Long ascending to the Presidency.

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Here's a wikibox for my current timeline. Once again criticism is more than welcomed and greatly appreciated. Sorry for there being no wiki style map as I have no clue how to make one.

For some background Ford was assassinated by Lynette Fromme in Sacremento and the butterflies only get bigger from there. Jackson due to some slight changes is able to get the ball rolling against Carter and picks Harris to appeal to distrustful southerners and liberals.

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The 1996 Czechoslovak parliamentary election was held on the 20th October 1996 to elect 300 members of the Czechoslovak National Assembly. Incumbent Prime Minister Miloš Zeman of the ČSSD was seeking a second term.

During his first term, Zeman had been a popular, if controversial, Prime Minister, and the ČSSD-led government had been praised for its deft handling of economic policies, protecting workers’ rights with policies like entitlement to a lay-off period, reduced overtime and an increase to the minimum wage, as well as cutting taxes to the poor (particularly VAT) and raising them on the rich. Despite this, his relationship with President Václav Havel was becoming acrimonious.

In foreign affairs, Zeman and Havel clashed significantly on several important issues that occurred during the 1993-96 term. When the Russian constitutional crisis occurred a few weeks after Zeman took power, he sided with the parliamentary forces over President Yeltsin; Zeman supported Serbian President Slobodan Milošević and the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia in the Bosnian War; and he vocally opposed Czechoslovak membership of the EU and NATO.

Not only did Havel take the opposite to all these stances, he enjoyed the support of the international community, particularly when the pro-Yeltsin forces triumphed in the Russian constitutional crisis, the international community united against Milošević and his forces, and Czechoslovakia joined the EU and NATO in 1994 (which Havel had been negotiating to do since he became President and was finalized in time for Czechoslovakia to join along with Austria, Finland and Sweden). This embarrassed Zeman and divided the ČSSD, and helped allow Havel to win a second term in 1995.

Despite this division within the government, the opposition was in too fraught a state to capitalize. In early 1994, after a leadership election saw Václav Klaus ousted by Jozef Moravčík, the OLS finally split, with Klaus and his allies leaving to form the Czechoslovak Conservative Liberal Party (Czech: Československá konzervativní liberální strana, Slovak: Československá konzervatívna liberálna strana, ČKLS). The OLS held a pro-European position while the ČKLS was Eurosceptic, and the latter party was isolated by President Havel for this and by Prime Minister Zeman for its economic conservatism.

As a result of the three-way divide between the right-wing parties, who for the first time made no clear effort to establish a coalition arrangement, 1996 was widely considered to be a referendum on Zeman as Prime Minister. While Zdeněk Mlynář made it clear his DSS would support Zeman for a second term, none of the other parties was willing to back the ČSSD if he remained Prime Minister, effectively meaning it would have to dismiss him from the leadership. This helped a few smaller parties, particularly Coexistence and the Greens, as they managed to capitalize on their kingmaker role and gain votes and seats.

For the second election in a row, the ČSSD came comfortably ahead, and in fact won the biggest plurality in Czechoslovak history, with the three main parties of the right divided almost equally, though together they took 119 seats compared to the 113 the OLS and ČSL combined had held after the 1993 election. There was a notable crash in turnout from just under 85% in 1993 to 77%, the lowest since the Second World War, which many political analysts have ascribed to abstention from those dissatisfied with the ČSSD but knowing a change in governing party was unlikely.

Despite the massive left-wing plurality, the ČSSD and DSS ultimately took 141 seats between them, 6 less than in 1993, and consequently not only Zeman but also Mlynář resigned. Two figures in the parties considered part of their respective parties’ left wings, Vladimír Špidla of the ČSSD and Miroslav Grebeníček of the DSS, won the subsequent leadership contests, but both were much more moderate on foreign policy than Zeman had been, which placated most of their other potential coalition allies. As a result, the ČSSD, DSS, ČSNS, Coexistence and Greens formed a renewed alliance.

(I should add that the SNS won 4 seats, I just didn't have room for a tenth party.)
 
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Here's a wikibox for my current timeline. Once again criticism is more than welcomed and greatly appreciated. Sorry for there being no wiki style map as I have no clue how to make one.

For some background Ford was assassinated by Lynette Fromme in Sacremento and the butterflies only get bigger from there. Jackson due to some slight changes is able to get the ball rolling against Carter and picks Harris to appeal to distrustful southerners and liberals.

I presume the map colours are inverted?
 
1916 and 1920

"...I may not be able to stand, but I will tirelessly stand up for the American people..."
-Leonidas Dyer, on accepting the presidential nomination at the Republican National Convention in 1932

The 1920s saw a wave of prosperity across America (except for in rural areas). The governing Democratic Party, in reaction to the progressive era and with the leadership of Albert Ritchie and then Royal Copeland as President, governed in a conservative direction, generally taking a hands-off approach to government. This was widely popular with the public, who itself had a strong reaction to the progressive era and then felt quite happy with the new era of economic prosperity, and the Democrats were able to attain sizable Congressional majorities

But the prosperity was in no small part built on a rotten foundation of bad credit. In 1929, the bubble burst, with the New York Stock Exchange taking a sharp downturn, followed by many bank failures, and (because of these and other reasons) then a worldwide economic depression

The initial Democratic position was that the market would naturally restore itself and that taking a hands-off approach would be best. This was not very popular at all, and things got worse. President Copeland began to consider some degree of economic interventions to hasten the recovery. Some of these actually showed some promise, and would be expanded on significantly with the Fair Deal, but even then, under Copeland such interventions were generally half-assed and underfunded, with the Democrats reluctant to pursue them at all. And the biggest intervention is the one most remembered nowadays. Before the 1920s, Democrats often performed rather poorly in elections in the north of the country, and in the 1920s had ran a number of candidates who were somewhat moderate (if still conservative-leaning) on some issues. In the time of the Depression, a number of these northern Democrats, including President Copeland himself, had come to lean towards arguments from certain factions of the Republican Party regarding trade. As part of their government interventions to fight the Depression, the Democrats, with support from a faction of Republicans, enacted a sizable increase in tariffs. It was hoped that this would spur on the economic recovery, but had the reverse effect - a number of other countries enacted retaliatory tariffs, and the decline in global trade just led to an even worse global economic situation

Going into 1932, President Copeland initially intended to simply not run again, but at the insistence of his party - with few other credible figures willing to run and fearing an electoral wipeout - he reluctantly accepted re-nomination

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Republican Leonidas Dyer was first elected to Congress in the 1910s as a progressive anti-usury platform. By the late 1910s, he had made a name for himself nationally in politics, making the headlines by calling for a federal ban to lynching after the St. Louis race riots and lynchings of Black Americans that occurred during the riots. As the country turned towards conservatism with the advent of the 1920s, Dyer remained a voice for progressivism, and retained his seat in Congress - until 1921, when he was shot by a radical white supremacist. His wounds in the assassination attempt were severe, initially it looked as if he would die, and while he did manage to pull through, one of the bullets that hit him in the assassination attempt had hit his spine and left him paralyzed at the waist and confined to a wheelchair for the rest of his life

Dyer remained an outspoken progressive, and while he initially stepped down from office in order to focus on recovery, he later again sought political office, being elected to the House in 1926. In 1928, the Missouri Democratic Party saw something of a split at the state level due to conflicts over prohibition (a number of Democrats had opposed it). Seeing an opportunity with that split, Dyer ran for governor, and despite the Democratic landslide nationally, managed to win. As governor, Dyer pushed for rural electrification and other assistance to aid with the 1920s farm crisis, and with the outbreak of the Depression, pushed for unemployment aid, pensions, and other spending to assist the recovery

Dyer's recovery program in Missouri, and the popularity of that program, helped raise his popularity and garnered him national attention. The 1930 midterm elections saw a major gains for the progressive faction of the Republican Party (in part due to Democratic unpopularity and in part due to the progressive Republicans having been the faction of the party that by this time was less supportive of tariffs, including Copeland's Disaster of a tariff), and it appeared that a progressive Republican would have an easy shot at the Republican nomination for 1932. Dyer sought the nomination, and won the most votes on the first ballot at the convention. Some in the party had some concerns, however. For one, he was visibly disabled, requiring the use of a wheelchair - he'd be the first candidate with such a condition, and this could potentially cause issues. Furthermore, he had a record of advocating for Black American civil rights, and while the others in the party weren't opposed to such ideas (by 1932 the party had become dominated by progressive voices), there were concerns that Dyer might potentially push too far in that direction, and hurt the party due to this

After some conversations with some other Republicans, including some of his rivals for the nomination, Dyer reluctantly agreed to stay quiet on civil rights, at least in the short term, with other Republicans expressing hope that the party could use the unpopularity of the Democrats and popularity of the proposed progressive reforms that many Republicans were supporting to expand Republican congressional support and perhaps weaken the Democratic stranglehold over the South. With Dyer's concession on that issue, he saw a wave of delegates flock to him, and won the nomination. For the Vice Presidential nomination, he and the party agreed on Fiorello La Guardia, former rival at the convention, fellow progressive, and Mayor of New York, in part to provide some geographic balance to the Missourian top of the ticket and in part because Dyer and La Guardia simply found themselves to get along reasonably well in negotiations

In the general election, Dyer and fellow Republicans for Congress ran on a platform calling for a "Fair Deal" (visibly calling back to Roosevelt's Square Deal) program of reform and relief for the country. This was quite popular, especially in contrast to Copeland's administration, reeling as it was from the unpopularity due to the Depression in general, as well as backlash for the tariff, and an incident in 1932 where protesting veterans of the great war were violently suppressed by federal forces. Dyer faced some concerns over his disability, but Dyer and Republicans were effectively able to turn that around with rhetoric attacking Copeland and his Democrats for "crippling" the economy, as well as frequently having visibly disabled veterans (including those who had been involved with Bonus Army activism) stand next to Dyer at campaign events. So the main effect of Democratic attacks against Dyer for his disability was simply to make the candidate already heavily favored to win to also look like something of an underdog to many people

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In the election, Dyer won a landslide victory, winning every state outside of the south and achieving the strongest Republican performance in the region since 1872 (before Reconstruction was ended), winning the border-south states of Oklahoma, Missouri, Kentucky, West Virginia, Maryland, and Delaware, as well as the formerly solid-south states of North Carolina, Virginia, and Tennessee. Republicans expanded their control in Congress, with Dyer entering office with a strong majority behind his proposed Fair Deal agenda
 
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Here's another wikibox from Hell or High Water. Initially the murder of Ruhollah Khomeini by SAVAK agents is a sigh of relief for the Jackson administration as another troublesome revolutionary is struck down. Unfortunately for him and the Shah the People Mujahedin and Islamic populists don't go away, and the revolution still happens on time. Sure, no embassies are stormed but the presidential election leads to the fall of the provisional government as the socialists and Islamists clash over their very different visions for Iran. The situation quickly spirals out of control from there.
 
Isn't that a Kick in the Head - The 2060 Presidential Election
in 2043, Wikipedia finally released Wikipedia Gold Edition for the small price of a donation of 1000 dollars. Also, 17 years Later, an election happened.
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Can we post infoboxes about *fantasy* politics (not really possible in our world) which take place in a few years' time, or is it considered "current politics"?
 
Can we post infoboxes about *fantasy* politics (not really possible in our world) which take place in a few years' time, or is it considered "current politics"?
I think if it involves any politicians that are presently involved in politics in our day its considered current politics. So if it's anyone not involved in politics from the last ten years or so, or imaginary people, it's fine even if its set in the present day or in the future.
 
Isn't that a Kick in the Head - The 2060 Presidential Election
in 2043, Wikipedia finally released Wikipedia Gold Edition for the small price of a donation of 1000 dollars. Also, 17 years Later, an election happened.
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no change in electoral votes?
 

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I think if it involves any politicians that are presently involved in politics in our day its considered current politics. So if it's anyone not involved in politics from the last ten years or so, or imaginary people, it's fine even if its set in the present day or in the future.
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Can we post infoboxes about *fantasy* politics (not really possible in our world) which take place in a few years' time, or is it considered "current politics"?
There are limited exceptions. As an example: Bernie Sanders being named the 1st Ambassador to Keppler 438-B (distance from Earth ~470 light years) is unlikely to generate discussion of current events. If it somehow did it would be actionable for the poster trying to start the catfight.

The reason the limitation on current politcs exists is to prevent political debate/flaming outside of Chat.
 
I think if it involves any politicians that are presently involved in politics in our day its considered current politics. So if it's anyone not involved in politics from the last ten years or so, or imaginary people, it's fine even if its set in the present day or in the future.
Yeah, like you get those “2317 federal election for the Moon” type posts, they can go in this thread. Donald Trump, Joe Biden or their kids for example, aren’t.
 
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In 1973, during talks relating to the Cold War, President Richard Nixon hosted Soviet Premier Leonid Brezhnev. Knowing of the Premier’s love for Western Automobiles, the White House gifted Brezhnev a brand new Lincoln Continental as a gesture of goodwill. Brezhnev was quite taken by the gift. In a departure from typical procedure Brezhnev immediately decided to take it on a joyride. In an even larger departure from typical procedure, Brezhnev insisted Nixon join him. The affair turned from comic to tragic when Brezhnev, unfamiliar with the car, failed to make a turn and hurtled the car off the side of a hill near the Camp David retreat. Brezhnev was killed instantly via a snapped neck, while Nixon died from blood loss related to glass in his neck before rescuers could reach the car.

The Death of an Soviet Leader on American soil would normally have provoked thermonuclear war, as would have the Death of an American Leader in the “care” of a Soviet Driver. However the mutual deaths provided enough breathing space that such matters were avoided, although Nixon’s former staffers took an “ignore President Agnew’s foreign policy ideas” approach during the critical weeks following the incident. Meanwhile Nikolai Podgorny and a resurgent Alexei Kosygin sought to settle domestic affairs rather than pursue war.

Soviet officials of course demanded involvement in the investigation of the event, while American agencies naturally refused. Eventually a compromise was reached that allowed limited observations by representatives from neutral nations to relay the information to the Soviets, termed the “Embassy Row Investigation.” Agnew, in rare accord with Congressional Leadership, was unsatisfied and created the Berger Commission, a blatant attempt to ape the Warren Commission. Despite his attempts at Red Baiting, Agnew was forced to accept the Commission’s report that the crash really was an accident. A secret Soviet investigation carried about by KBG Moles and other spies in America, declassified following the fall of the USSR, code named “Goliath,” reached similar conclusions. Nonetheless conspiracy theories abound, normally centered on the leaders who took power following the crash, rogue intelligence agencies, or the Chinese looking to put a dent in detente.
 
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(I hate myself for doing this but here it is anyway)
So here's a little party infobox, I figured out from my original writeup that the POD is between right now and roughly early 2025. Here's also the full writeup in form of a wikipedia article screenshot. I may extend this scenario later (since there are a few interesting things that are considered but not explained here) but it would likely be in other threads since it would focus on other parts of the timeline that are closer to ours.
 
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In 1973, during talks relating to the Cold War, President Richard Nixon hosted Soviet Premier Leonid Brezhnev. Knowing of the Premier’s love for Western Automobiles, the White House gifted Brezhnev a brand new Lincoln Continental as a gesture of goodwill. Brezhnev was quite taken by the gift. In a departure from typical procedure Brezhnev immediately decided to take it on a joyride. In an even larger departure from typical procedure, Brezhnev insisted Nixon join him. The affair turned from comic to tragic when Brezhnev, unfamiliar with the car, failed to make a turn and hurtled the car off the side of a hill near the Camp David retreat. Brezhnev was killed instantly via a snapped neck, while Nixon died from blood loss related to glass in his neck before rescuers could reach the car.

The Death of an Soviet Leader on American soil would normally have provoked thermonuclear war, as would have the Death of an American Leader in the “care” of a Soviet Driver. However the mutual deaths provided enough breathing space that such matters were avoided, although Nixon’s former staffers took an “ignore President Agnew’s foreign policy ideas” approach during the critical weeks following the incident. Meanwhile Nikolai Podgorny and a resurgent Alexei Kosygin sought to settle domestic affairs rather than pursue war.

Soviet officials of course demanded involvement in the investigation of the event, while American agencies naturally refused. Eventually a compromise was reached that allowed limited observations by representatives from neutral nations to relay the information to the Soviets, termed the “Embassy Row Investigation.” Agnew, in rare accord with Congressional Leadership, was unsatisfied and created the Berger Commission, a blatant attempt to ape the Warren Commission. Despite his attempts at Red Baiting, Agnew was forced to accept the Commission’s report that the crash really was an accident. A secret Soviet investigation carried about by KBG Moles and other spies in America, declassified following the fall of the USSR, code named “Goliath,” reached similar conclusions. Nonetheless conspiracy theories abound, normally centered on the leaders who took power following the crash, rogue intelligence agencies, or the Chinese looking to put a dent in detente.
this would make a fantastic political thriller. Imagine being the poor chump who gets their first, the Chief of Staff, the poor bastard stuck investigating this mess...
 
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