I seem to remember the book detailing that Lindbergh defeated FDR by a landslide in the electoral college.
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You're off by 20 years pal. The "Rum, Romanism, and Rebellion" speech was done during the campaign of James G. Blaine back in 1884.
Edit: It was Samuel Dickinson Burchard who coined the phrase during the 1884 US Presidential Election, not Blaine himself. However, this likely costed Republicans Catholic votes, causing Grover Cleveland to defeat Blaine narrowly.
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I think its a reference to an Asimov short story where post 1990 a super computer found the most average person in the country and they decided who would be president.
Well, it uses that person's answers to some survey questions to calculate every election result in the country, rather than just having one person choose, but yes this is Asimov.
I did not think it stopped with Blaine, and, arguably, his anti-Catholicism is overstated.
I mean, the GOP was throwing anti-Catholic stuff against the wall until 1960. Otoh, unlikely the Democrats would like non-whites into the party.
The 1920 election is remembered for many reasons. For being the first national election in which women were legally able to vote in all 48 states. For electing the first President to a nonconsecutive term since Grover Cleveland. For being the lowest percentage of the vote a Democrat has received in the Presidential election. For electing two family members from different parties to the Presidency and Vice-Presidency. And for featuring the first contingent election for President since 1824.
After the conclusion of World War 1, Theodore Roosevelt's health dithered between well and exceptionally sick. His son, Quentin Roosevelt, wrote in his journal that his father “seemed like a dying man,” for many periods. Despite this, he recovered well enough that when the Republican National Convention came, “he roared like a lion.”
The split between Roosevelt and the rest of the Republicans could not be simply explained as progressive vs. conservative, as Hoover himself was considered a progressive Republican, but pro-Roosevelt and anti-Roosevelt. Many simply were not trusting of the old man, finding him vain, intolerable, a relic, a party-bolter, and a miscreant. The fights on the convention floor devolved to literal fist fights, with delegates hissing, spitting, booing, jeering, and biting each other.
Roosevelt took only twenty-nine ballots to be nominated, leading the entire time. This was a short and civil affair in comparison to the debacle that was the Democratic convention soon after.
Despite his attempts to sooth divisions between the two wings by accepting Warren G. Harding, a moderate, as his Vice-President, the damage was done. Much as he had eight years ago, swaths of the party left. Unlike him, they had to look around for a bit for a man to rally around.
The Democratic Party nominated, after a record two hundred ballots, and the deaths of two frontrunners and scores of delegates from the Spanish flu, one-term Governor of New Jersey, Edward I. Edwards. He was a choice so noxious to the western, prohibitionist, and rural elements of the Democratic Party, that former party standard-bearer, William Jennings Bryan, bolted and announced his own run, separate from the Democratic Party.
The renegade Republican faction, after a few short weeks of deliberation, found their man. Someone who had not directly waded into the Roosevelt vs. Anti-Roosevelt fist-fight, someone who was moderate enough for the moderates and progressive for the progressives, the former Director of the United States Food Administration, Herbert Hoover.
Hoover's pick for Vice-President was a surprise to many, as it was Franklin Delano Roosevelt, the Democratic nominee for Vice-President. In a Calhoulian twist, Roosevelt sought out the nominations for both the Hooverists and the Democrats, and achieved it, with Hoover waging that the young scion of the Roosevelt family could take in both Democratic votes by virtue of party-affiliation, and even some Republican votes based on his name.
While many Democrats were furious and demanded he be removed from the ticket for this display of partisan treason, others ruefully looked at the polling across the country. It was one thing to be losing states like New Jersey, it was another thing to be told they're liable to place third despite the state's Governor heading the ticket. And it was an entirely different thing entire to be told that Southern states like Virginia and North Carolina were within Republican reach despite their own split.
Edwards had his own misgivings about Franklin Roosevelt, writing that he felt it was a bad decision to nominate the younger man as soon as it happened, but he made no attempts to remove him from the ticket, operating under the belief that such an action would “finally, completely, utterly” split the Democratic Party.
Both Hoover and Bryan received a bewildering number of partisan nominations. Hoover took several state Republican nominations, including that of the Dakota's and Washington. In Texas he received the nomination of both wings of the Republican Party, and even was even at one point offered the nomination of James E. Ferguson's American Party (in exchange for concessions on Prohibition), while still running as an Independent.
Meanwhile, Bryan received the nomination of the national Prohibition Party, as well as several state Progressive and Farmer-Labor Parties, and one section of the North Dakota Nonpartisan League, he also received the nomination from the Nebraska Democratic Party, enabling him to place third, above the regular Democratic ticket in the state.
By October, many Democrats outside of the South wrote off the ticket, and found themselves allying with the Hoover ticket, or more rarely Bryan in a Sisyphean stand for the common man against the big interests. Some even wistfully considered dropping Edwards and simply running the popular Hoover as their man, but were shut down as soon as they spoke. Others gambled on a contingent election, where the Democratic “Solid South” could work with either group Republicans to elect their man as President (operating under the assumption they'd work with the Democrats over “traitorous” Republicans).
Come election day, it was a slaughter for the Democratic Party. While they retained their core Deep South states, and narrowly won Arizona and New Mexico by incredibly small pluralities, they were routed badly outside of it. North Carolina, Arkansas, Virginia, Florida, and even Louisiana, they only were won with pluralities. In South Carolina, they only barely inched past 90% of the vote.
Texas went for Hoover by a narrow margin of one percent (likely more before Democratic vote fixing skewed the numbers). In Wyoming and Arizona, he came within a percentage point of taking it from the Republicans and Democrats, respectively. In Pennsylvania he won win a razor-thin margin of .3% of the vote.
Even in states like Missouri, Tennessee, and Kentucky, the Democrats were unable to capitalize on Republican division, as the Hooverists took many Democratic votes as well as Republican. In the more Electoral Vote-rich states like Pennsylvania and Illinois, they cratered down to single digit percentages of the vote. In New York, Al Smith had all but abandoned them and worked with the Hoover men (in exchange receiving their help for the gubernatorial election. Smith won where Hoover didn't).
Theodore Roosevelt won 260 electoral votes, just six shy of outright victory, from 25 states. Hoover won 171 votes from 11 states. Edwards 99 from 11 states, and Bryan, while he won no states in the end, one lone Democratic Elector from Arizona cast his ballot for Bryan/Roosevelt instead of Edwards/Roosevelt. Franklin Roosevelt, receiving all 171 electoral votes from Hoover's ticket, and all 100 votes from the Democratic ticket (including the one that was for Bryan as President), had 271 votes for Vice-President, meaning he was elected outright instead of having to go to the Senate, where the slim 49-47 Republican majority would likely elect Harding.
Per the rules of the 12th amendment, since no one won a majority of electoral votes for President, the House of Representatives would vote on who to elect. Each state had one vote cast by the delegation as a whole. While the 66th Congress, elected in 1918, had an overwhelming Republican majority in both seats and delegation, some Democrats held out hope that the Republican Congressman from states Hoover won could be persuaded to vote for Hoover for a few rounds while they would try and negotiate with both sides.
It was for naught. Aside from Washington, Idaho, and South Dakota, all Republican delegations dutifully voted for Roosevelt, with the odd objection here and there. He won outright.
Despite belonging to different parties, and being far more distantly related than their names would imply, America now had a President Roosevelt and a Vice-President Roosevelt.
I genuinely want to see more of this, or if you feel like spoiling us, a list of Voters since the position was established
Roosevelt vs Roosevelt 1924
The 1920 election is remembered for many reasons. For being the first national election in which women were legally able to vote in all 48 states. For electing the first President to a nonconsecutive term since Grover Cleveland. For being the lowest percentage of the vote a Democrat has received in the Presidential election. For electing two family members from different parties to the Presidency and Vice-Presidency. And for featuring the first contingent election for President since 1824.
After the conclusion of World War 1, Theodore Roosevelt's health dithered between well and exceptionally sick. His son, Quentin Roosevelt, wrote in his journal that his father “seemed like a dying man,” for many periods. Despite this, he recovered well enough that when the Republican National Convention came, “he roared like a lion.”
The split between Roosevelt and the rest of the Republicans could not be simply explained as progressive vs. conservative, as Hoover himself was considered a progressive Republican, but pro-Roosevelt and anti-Roosevelt. Many simply were not trusting of the old man, finding him vain, intolerable, a relic, a party-bolter, and a miscreant. The fights on the convention floor devolved to literal fist fights, with delegates hissing, spitting, booing, jeering, and biting each other.
Roosevelt took only twenty-nine ballots to be nominated, leading the entire time. This was a short and civil affair in comparison to the debacle that was the Democratic convention soon after.
Despite his attempts to sooth divisions between the two wings by accepting Warren G. Harding, a moderate, as his Vice-President, the damage was done. Much as he had eight years ago, swaths of the party left. Unlike him, they had to look around for a bit for a man to rally around.
The Democratic Party nominated, after a record two hundred ballots, and the deaths of two frontrunners and scores of delegates from the Spanish flu, one-term Governor of New Jersey, Edward I. Edwards. He was a choice so noxious to the western, prohibitionist, and rural elements of the Democratic Party, that former party standard-bearer, William Jennings Bryan, bolted and announced his own run, separate from the Democratic Party.
The renegade Republican faction, after a few short weeks of deliberation, found their man. Someone who had not directly waded into the Roosevelt vs. Anti-Roosevelt fist-fight, someone who was moderate enough for the moderates and progressive for the progressives, the former Director of the United States Food Administration, Herbert Hoover.
Hoover's pick for Vice-President was a surprise to many, as it was Franklin Delano Roosevelt, the Democratic nominee for Vice-President. In a Calhoulian twist, Roosevelt sought out the nominations for both the Hooverists and the Democrats, and achieved it, with Hoover waging that the young scion of the Roosevelt family could take in both Democratic votes by virtue of party-affiliation, and even some Republican votes based on his name.
While many Democrats were furious and demanded he be removed from the ticket for this display of partisan treason, others ruefully looked at the polling across the country. It was one thing to be losing states like New Jersey, it was another thing to be told they're liable to place third despite the state's Governor heading the ticket. And it was an entirely different thing entire to be told that Southern states like Virginia and North Carolina were within Republican reach despite their own split.
Edwards had his own misgivings about Franklin Roosevelt, writing that he felt it was a bad decision to nominate the younger man as soon as it happened, but he made no attempts to remove him from the ticket, operating under the belief that such an action would “finally, completely, utterly” split the Democratic Party.
Both Hoover and Bryan received a bewildering number of partisan nominations. Hoover took several state Republican nominations, including that of the Dakota's and Washington. In Texas he received the nomination of both wings of the Republican Party, and even was even at one point offered the nomination of James E. Ferguson's American Party (in exchange for concessions on Prohibition), while still running as an Independent.
Meanwhile, Bryan received the nomination of the national Prohibition Party, as well as several state Progressive and Farmer-Labor Parties, and one section of the North Dakota Nonpartisan League, he also received the nomination from the Nebraska Democratic Party, enabling him to place third, above the regular Democratic ticket in the state.
By October, many Democrats outside of the South wrote off the ticket, and found themselves allying with the Hoover ticket, or more rarely Bryan in a Sisyphean stand for the common man against the big interests. Some even wistfully considered dropping Edwards and simply running the popular Hoover as their man, but were shut down as soon as they spoke. Others gambled on a contingent election, where the Democratic “Solid South” could work with either group Republicans to elect their man as President (operating under the assumption they'd work with the Democrats over “traitorous” Republicans).
Come election day, it was a slaughter for the Democratic Party. While they retained their core Deep South states, and narrowly won Arizona and New Mexico by incredibly small pluralities, they were routed badly outside of it. North Carolina, Arkansas, Virginia, Florida, and even Louisiana, they only were won with pluralities. In South Carolina, they only barely inched past 90% of the vote.
Texas went for Hoover by a narrow margin of one percent (likely more before Democratic vote fixing skewed the numbers). In Wyoming and Arizona, he came within a percentage point of taking it from the Republicans and Democrats, respectively. In Pennsylvania he won win a razor-thin margin of .3% of the vote.
Even in states like Missouri, Tennessee, and Kentucky, the Democrats were unable to capitalize on Republican division, as the Hooverists took many Democratic votes as well as Republican. In the more Electoral Vote-rich states like Pennsylvania and Illinois, they cratered down to single digit percentages of the vote. In New York, Al Smith had all but abandoned them and worked with the Hoover men (in exchange receiving their help for the gubernatorial election. Smith won where Hoover didn't).
Theodore Roosevelt won 260 electoral votes, just six shy of outright victory, from 25 states. Hoover won 171 votes from 11 states. Edwards 99 from 11 states, and Bryan, while he won no states in the end, one lone Democratic Elector from Arizona cast his ballot for Bryan/Roosevelt instead of Edwards/Roosevelt. Franklin Roosevelt, receiving all 171 electoral votes from Hoover's ticket, and all 100 votes from the Democratic ticket (including the one that was for Bryan as President), had 271 votes for Vice-President, meaning he was elected outright instead of having to go to the Senate, where the slim 49-47 Republican majority would likely elect Harding.
Per the rules of the 12th amendment, since no one won a majority of electoral votes for President, the House of Representatives would vote on who to elect. Each state had one vote cast by the delegation as a whole. While the 66th Congress, elected in 1918, had an overwhelming Republican majority in both seats and delegation, some Democrats held out hope that the Republican Congressman from states Hoover won could be persuaded to vote for Hoover for a few rounds while they would try and negotiate with both sides.
It was for naught. Aside from Washington, Idaho, and South Dakota, all Republican delegations dutifully voted for Roosevelt, with the odd objection here and there. He won outright.
Despite belonging to different parties, and being far more distantly related than their names would imply, America now had a President Roosevelt and a Vice-President Roosevelt.
How ironic that a Roosevelt is running against a Roosevelt
The 1920 election is remembered for many reasons. For being the first national election in which women were legally able to vote in all 48 states. For electing the first President to a nonconsecutive term since Grover Cleveland. For being the lowest percentage of the vote a Democrat has received in the Presidential election. For electing two family members from different parties to the Presidency and Vice-Presidency. And for featuring the first contingent election for President since 1824.
After the conclusion of World War 1, Theodore Roosevelt's health dithered between well and exceptionally sick. His son, Quentin Roosevelt, wrote in his journal that his father “seemed like a dying man,” for many periods. Despite this, he recovered well enough that when the Republican National Convention came, “he roared like a lion.”
The split between Roosevelt and the rest of the Republicans could not be simply explained as progressive vs. conservative, as Hoover himself was considered a progressive Republican, but pro-Roosevelt and anti-Roosevelt. Many simply were not trusting of the old man, finding him vain, intolerable, a relic, a party-bolter, and a miscreant. The fights on the convention floor devolved to literal fist fights, with delegates hissing, spitting, booing, jeering, and biting each other.
Roosevelt took only twenty-nine ballots to be nominated, leading the entire time. This was a short and civil affair in comparison to the debacle that was the Democratic convention soon after.
Despite his attempts to sooth divisions between the two wings by accepting Warren G. Harding, a moderate, as his Vice-President, the damage was done. Much as he had eight years ago, swaths of the party left. Unlike him, they had to look around for a bit for a man to rally around.
The Democratic Party nominated, after a record two hundred ballots, and the deaths of two frontrunners and scores of delegates from the Spanish flu, one-term Governor of New Jersey, Edward I. Edwards. He was a choice so noxious to the western, prohibitionist, and rural elements of the Democratic Party, that former party standard-bearer, William Jennings Bryan, bolted and announced his own run, separate from the Democratic Party.
The renegade Republican faction, after a few short weeks of deliberation, found their man. Someone who had not directly waded into the Roosevelt vs. Anti-Roosevelt fist-fight, someone who was moderate enough for the moderates and progressive for the progressives, the former Director of the United States Food Administration, Herbert Hoover.
Hoover's pick for Vice-President was a surprise to many, as it was Franklin Delano Roosevelt, the Democratic nominee for Vice-President. In a Calhoulian twist, Roosevelt sought out the nominations for both the Hooverists and the Democrats, and achieved it, with Hoover waging that the young scion of the Roosevelt family could take in both Democratic votes by virtue of party-affiliation, and even some Republican votes based on his name.
While many Democrats were furious and demanded he be removed from the ticket for this display of partisan treason, others ruefully looked at the polling across the country. It was one thing to be losing states like New Jersey, it was another thing to be told they're liable to place third despite the state's Governor heading the ticket. And it was an entirely different thing entire to be told that Southern states like Virginia and North Carolina were within Republican reach despite their own split.
Edwards had his own misgivings about Franklin Roosevelt, writing that he felt it was a bad decision to nominate the younger man as soon as it happened, but he made no attempts to remove him from the ticket, operating under the belief that such an action would “finally, completely, utterly” split the Democratic Party.
Both Hoover and Bryan received a bewildering number of partisan nominations. Hoover took several state Republican nominations, including that of the Dakota's and Washington. In Texas he received the nomination of both wings of the Republican Party, and even was even at one point offered the nomination of James E. Ferguson's American Party (in exchange for concessions on Prohibition), while still running as an Independent.
Meanwhile, Bryan received the nomination of the national Prohibition Party, as well as several state Progressive and Farmer-Labor Parties, and one section of the North Dakota Nonpartisan League, he also received the nomination from the Nebraska Democratic Party, enabling him to place third, above the regular Democratic ticket in the state.
By October, many Democrats outside of the South wrote off the ticket, and found themselves allying with the Hoover ticket, or more rarely Bryan in a Sisyphean stand for the common man against the big interests. Some even wistfully considered dropping Edwards and simply running the popular Hoover as their man, but were shut down as soon as they spoke. Others gambled on a contingent election, where the Democratic “Solid South” could work with either group Republicans to elect their man as President (operating under the assumption they'd work with the Democrats over “traitorous” Republicans).
Come election day, it was a slaughter for the Democratic Party. While they retained their core Deep South states, and narrowly won Arizona and New Mexico by incredibly small pluralities, they were routed badly outside of it. North Carolina, Arkansas, Virginia, Florida, and even Louisiana, they only were won with pluralities. In South Carolina, they only barely inched past 90% of the vote.
Texas went for Hoover by a narrow margin of one percent (likely more before Democratic vote fixing skewed the numbers). In Wyoming and Arizona, he came within a percentage point of taking it from the Republicans and Democrats, respectively. In Pennsylvania he won win a razor-thin margin of .3% of the vote.
Even in states like Missouri, Tennessee, and Kentucky, the Democrats were unable to capitalize on Republican division, as the Hooverists took many Democratic votes as well as Republican. In the more Electoral Vote-rich states like Pennsylvania and Illinois, they cratered down to single digit percentages of the vote. In New York, Al Smith had all but abandoned them and worked with the Hoover men (in exchange receiving their help for the gubernatorial election. Smith won where Hoover didn't).
Theodore Roosevelt won 260 electoral votes, just six shy of outright victory, from 25 states. Hoover won 171 votes from 11 states. Edwards 99 from 11 states, and Bryan, while he won no states in the end, one lone Democratic Elector from Arizona cast his ballot for Bryan/Roosevelt instead of Edwards/Roosevelt. Franklin Roosevelt, receiving all 171 electoral votes from Hoover's ticket, and all 100 votes from the Democratic ticket (including the one that was for Bryan as President), had 271 votes for Vice-President, meaning he was elected outright instead of having to go to the Senate, where the slim 49-47 Republican majority would likely elect Harding.
Per the rules of the 12th amendment, since no one won a majority of electoral votes for President, the House of Representatives would vote on who to elect. Each state had one vote cast by the delegation as a whole. While the 66th Congress, elected in 1918, had an overwhelming Republican majority in both seats and delegation, some Democrats held out hope that the Republican Congressman from states Hoover won could be persuaded to vote for Hoover for a few rounds while they would try and negotiate with both sides.
It was for naught. Aside from Washington, Idaho, and South Dakota, all Republican delegations dutifully voted for Roosevelt, with the odd objection here and there. He won outright.
Despite belonging to different parties, and being far more distantly related than their names would imply, America now had a President Roosevelt and a Vice-President Roosevelt.
Nope. Electors cannot choose both a president and a VP from their own state.
Im pretty sure that is only true if they are of the same party, OTL FDR and Dewey in 1944 were both New Yorkers.
Party only matters insofar as party affiliation usually determines which electors cast ballots. The Theodore Roosevelt electors from New York, assuming he wins the state, could not also elect a vice president from New York. A faithless elector could not vote for a president and VP from his home state either, as parties are not mentioned in the constitution, the relevant issue is keeping any one state from being too dominant.
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