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I'm just saying that most US states have bans on dual mandates, while I believe the Constitution itself prevents Senators and Congressmen from holding another civil job(?)
mrbraingrayson: One Nation
"One Nation" is a song by British band The Orange Sphere, on their 1996 album Ground. The song was influenced by the Pink Floyd song Echoes, also being influences by punk bands such as the Ramones. The result was, according to one reviewer, "a beautiful, weird, unique majestic experience that only the upper echelon of music's elite could dare replicate." On the song, the band used instruments such as sitar, a tack piano, heavy guitar distortion, and samples from speeches given by then-Prime Minister John Major. The song was in drafts after the band's tour for their second album, Republic, in late 1994. The band was beginning to listen to music by Alice Copper, Genesis, The Ramones, and Kraftwerk. "One Nation" was the first song penned for the upcoming Ground album. Another major influence to the band on this song was the rising big beat genre.
The song was released as the fourth song on Ground, released on May 9, 1996. The song received acclaim from critics, with some calling it the musical highlight of 1996. NME called the song "a physic trip", while Rolling Stone called the song "like taking hyper-LSD". The song was used in the soundtrack of the 1997 movie Trainspotting, also being used in various other mediums, such as Labour using the song (omitting the Major samples and using Blair samples) for the 1997 and 2001 elections, the official "hype song" for the NBA's Golden State Warriors, and used in Pespi's rebranding campaign in 2009.
Hulkster'01: What if Regan had became President in 68 instead of Nixon?
What if Regan had became President in 68 instead of Nixon?
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Fortunately the cabinet was able to convince Reagan to finally leave California for his final two years in the White House!
Somehow I doubt that the Republicans would held held onto the White House for 24 years, especially after the events of the late 70's.
I started one, but it's meant for wikiboxes about other people's pre-existing timelines.
LeftsideLock: Second Battle of Point
Some production notes: 1) no image in the second box because it felt in poor taste to use real destroyed cities; 2) image credit for the first box https://robbert-j.deviantart.com/art/Space-Battle-360-686969535
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"History has recorded Point as a victory. As I've aged, I've come to feel differently. I presided over one of the greatest defeats in human military history. And I won't pretend that the men and women I lost in the battle didn't influence the decision that came after." - Admiral (Ret.) Vihaan Reddy, 2174 (comment made to biographer)
"Seven thousand souls gone in the space of a few heartbeats." - Commander Sophia Singh-Ruiz, captain of ASV Leopard, on destruction of ASV Atlantic
"The intent, like every battle, had always been to fight at long-range, where our firepower would whittle them down with minimal losses. But when the Mobile Rig closed, and covered the rest of their fleet as it advanced to knife-fight ranges...that's when things got bloody for us." - Rear Admiral Elinah Zhou, commanding admiral of the 7th Fleet
"I've committed the name of every ship we lost to memory. The list is a totem to me, a talisman. At night, I see them. The thousands of faces of the men and women we failed. That I failed. Crying out the names of the ships they served on, and waiting to welcome me to their embrace." - Rear Admiral Neil Grayson, commanding admiral of the 5th Fleet
"The Second Battle of Point was the opening engagement of the Second Eastern Colonial Rebellion, also known as the 2162 Rebellion and by the names of its various local iterations. Though preceded by Bloody '61, a year of violence and upheaval that culminated in the deadly Navarro Plaza bombings and the assassination of Colony Manager Fiodor Golubin, and intermittent ground conflict, the Battle of Point is considered the first formal action of what is now thought of as the "declared war" phase of the conflict (January 2162 - September 2170)..."
A History of the War on Ashoka
A.T. McCall, PhD, Lt. Gen., Alliance Army (ret.)
University of Mariner Valley Press
2195
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(From A History of the War on Ashoka, Volume II: Castle, 2162-2164, by A.T. McCall)
APPENDIX I
ALLIANCE NAVAL ORDER OF BATTLE, BATTLE OF POINT 2162
ANNOTATED
* Indicates destroyed or damaged beyond repair
"In the aftermath of the orbital bombardment, Alliance Naval High Command, after receiving instructions from the President, ordered Rear Admiral Grayson to relieve Admiral Reddy of command, and to send him under escort back to the Presidio. Reddy remained there while a formal investigation was initiated, and recommended that the matter proceed to a court-martial..."
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"History has recorded Point as a victory. As I've aged, I've come to feel differently. I presided over one of the greatest defeats in human military history. And I won't pretend that the men and women I lost in the battle didn't influence the decision that came after." - Admiral (Ret.) Vihaan Reddy, 2174 (comment made to biographer)
"Seven thousand souls gone in the space of a few heartbeats." - Commander Sophia Singh-Ruiz, captain of ASV Leopard, on destruction of ASV Atlantic
"The intent, like every battle, had always been to fight at long-range, where our firepower would whittle them down with minimal losses. But when the Mobile Rig closed, and covered the rest of their fleet as it advanced to knife-fight ranges...that's when things got bloody for us." - Rear Admiral Elinah Zhou, commanding admiral of the 7th Fleet
"I've committed the name of every ship we lost to memory. The list is a totem to me, a talisman. At night, I see them. The thousands of faces of the men and women we failed. That I failed. Crying out the names of the ships they served on, and waiting to welcome me to their embrace." - Rear Admiral Neil Grayson, commanding admiral of the 5th Fleet
"The Second Battle of Point was the opening engagement of the Second Eastern Colonial Rebellion, also known as the 2162 Rebellion and by the names of its various local iterations. Though preceded by Bloody '61, a year of violence and upheaval that culminated in the deadly Navarro Plaza bombings and the assassination of Colony Manager Fiodor Golubin, and intermittent ground conflict, the Battle of Point is considered the first formal action of what is now thought of as the "declared war" phase of the conflict (January 2162 - September 2170)..."
A History of the War on Ashoka
A.T. McCall, PhD, Lt. Gen., Alliance Army (ret.)
University of Mariner Valley Press
2195
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(From A History of the War on Ashoka, Volume II: Castle, 2162-2164, by A.T. McCall)
APPENDIX I
ALLIANCE NAVAL ORDER OF BATTLE, BATTLE OF POINT 2162
ANNOTATED
* Indicates destroyed or damaged beyond repair
CAPITAL SHIPS:
Carriers: 2
-ASV Atlantic (CVN-8)* [1][2]
-ASV Pacific (CVN-9)
Battleships: 6
-ASV Everest (BBN-15) [3]
-ASV Denali (BBN-16)
-ASV Kilimanjaro (BBN-21) [4]
-ASV Elbrus (BBN-23)
-ASV Aconcagua (BBN-24)
-ASV Mont Blanc (BBN-27)
Cruisers: 38 (32 as part of Carrier Battle Groups and Battle Groups)
ASV Atlantic Carrier Battle Group [5]
-ASV London (CCN-144)* [6]
-ASV Dublin (CCN-152)
-ASV Dakar (CCN-167)
-ASV Halifax (CCN-209)
ASV Pacific Carrier Battle Group
-ASV Seattle (CCN-218)
-ASV Canberra (CCN-241)
-ASV Tokyo (CCN-301) [7]
-ASV Seoul (CCN-305)
ASV Everest Battle Group
-ASV Hyderabad (CCN-170)
-ASV Bangalore (CCN-173)
-ASV Lhasa (CCN-312)
-ASV Lahore (CCN-315)
ASV Denali Battle Group
-ASV Whitehorse (CCN-204)
-ASV Yellowknife (CCN-207)
-ASV Juneau (CCN-217)
-ASV Anchorage (CCN-219)
ASV Kilimanjaro Battle Group
-ASV Nairobi (CCN-190) [8]
-ASV Mombasa (CCN-191)
-ASV Dodoma (CCN-193)
-ASV Kigali (CCN-194)
ASV Elbrus Battle Group
-ASV Moscow (CCN-263)* [9]
-ASV Volgograd (CCN-265)
-ASV Baku (CCN-277)
-ASV Tbilisi (CCN-279)
ASV Aconcagua Battle Group
-ASV Buenos Aires (CCN-91) [10]
-ASV Santiago (CCN-94)
-ASV La Paz (CCN-103)* [11]
-ASV Brasilia (CCN-114)
ASV Mont Blanc Battle Group
-ASV Luxembourg (CCN-131)
-ASV Cologne (CCN-148)
-ASV Paris (CCN-186)
-ASV Lyons (CCN-187)
Miscellaneous commands:
-ASV Berlin (CCN-147)* [12]
-ASV Colorado Springs (CCN-211)
-ASV Merced (CCN-220)
-ASV Tehran (CCN-233)
-ASV Vladivostok (CCN-264)
-ASV Kyoto (CCN-303)
Destroyers: 60 (48 as part of Carrier Battle Groups or Battle Groups)
ASV Atlantic Carrier Battle Group
-ASV Normandy (DDN-301) [13]
-ASV Stalingrad (DDN-302)
-ASV Bastogne (DDN-311)
-ASV Vimy Ridge (DDN-651)* [14]
-ASV Ypres (DDN-657)
-ASV Agincourt (DDN-843)
ASV Pacific Carrier Battle Group
-ASV Iwo Jima (DDN-401) [15]
-ASV Guadalcanal (DDN-402)
-ASV Okinawa (DDN-404)
-ASV Peliliu (DDN-407)
-ASV Midway (DDN-461)
-ASV Coral Sea (DDN-466)
ASV Everest Battle Group
-ASV Zhuolu (DDN-501) [16]
-ASV Kunyang (DDN-507)
-ASV Kalinga (DDN-534)
-ASV Ramnagar (DDN-539)
-ASV Irawaddy (DDN- 563)
-ASV Imphal (DDN-589)
ASV Denali Battle Group
-ASV Anzio (DDN-332)
-ASV Caen (DDN-340)
-ASV Torch (DDN-365)
-ASV Aleutian Islands (DDN-470)* [17]
-ASV Attu (DDN-475)
-ASV Scheldt (DDN-604)
ASV Kilimanjaro Battle Group
-ASV Carthage (DDN-708)
-ASV Shimbra Kure (DDN-715)
-ASV Kirina (DDN-738)
-ASV Gura (DDN-763)
-ASV Adwa (DDN-764)* [18]
-ASV Gondar (DDN-780)
ASV Elbrus Battle Group
-ASV Gallipoli (DDN-661)
-ASV Troy (DDN-800)* [19]
-ASV Megiddo (DDN-822)
-ASV Gaugamela (DDN-835)
-ASV Halicarnassus (DDN-847)
-ASV Chaldiran (DDN-878)
ASV Aconcagua Battle Group
-ASV Ayacucho (DDN-903)
-ASV Maipú (DDN-909)
-ASV Salta (DDN-917)
-ASV Boyacá (DDN-923)
-ASV Vargas Swamp (DDN-930)
-ASV Montevideo (DDN-934)
ASV Mont Blanc Battle Group
-ASV Verdun (DDN-611)
-ASV Ardennes (DDN-614)
-ASV Somme (DDN-616)
-ASV Antwerp (DDN-631)
-ASV Marne (DDN-655)
-ASV Saint-Mihiel (DDN-670)* [20]
Miscellaneous commands:
-ASV Belleau Wood (DDN-640)
-ASV Huoyi (DDN-251)
-ASV Songzhou (DDN-254)
-ASV Aksu (DDN-881)
-ASV Tarain (DDN-591)
-ASV Jalandhar (DDN-593)
-ASV Kili (DDN-594)* [21]
-ASV Nagaur (DDN-597)
-ASV Chaul (DDN-889)
-ASV El Alamein (DDN-303)
-ASV Chosin Reservoir (DDN-480)
-ASV Khe Sanh (DDN-491)
Frigates: 128 (96 as part of Carrier Battle Groups or Battle Groups)
ASV Atlantic Carrier Battle Group
-ASV Rodger Young (FFN-303)
-ASV Montgomery (FFN-337)
-ASV Horatius (FFN-405)* [22]
-ASV Bellerophon (FFN-423)* [23]
-ASV Tharsis (FFN-434)* [24]
-ASV Hendrik Lorentz (FFN-457)
-ASV Meriwether Lewis (FFN-463)
-ASV Hereward the Wake (FFN-470)
-ASV Hannibal (FFN-485)* [25]
-ASV Iroquois (FFN-496)* [26]
-ASV Resolute (FFN-531)
-ASV Maelstrom (FFN-686)* [27]
ASV Pacific Carrier Battle Group
-ASV Magellan (FFN-481)
-ASV Chinook (FFN-497)
-ASV Tempest (FFN-502)
-ASV Dauntless (FFN-503)
-ASV Impeccable (FFN-552)* [28]
-ASV Avenger (FFN-581)* [29]
-ASV Pioneer (FFN-682)* [30]
-ASV Osiris (FFN-712)
-ASV Minotaur (FFN-790)
-ASV Euphrates (FFN-806)
-ASV Champlain (FFN-1105)
-ASV Sirocco (FFN-1157)
ASV Everest Battle Group
-ASV Leopard (FFN-051)
-ASV Mako (FFN-151) []
-ASV Defiant (FFN-512)
-ASV Interceptor (FFN-556)* [31]
-ASV Devastation (FFN-606)
-ASV Vigilance (FFN-651)
-ASV Venture (FFN-653)* [32]
-ASV Tenacious (FFN-673)
-ASV Endeavour (FFN-685)* [33]
-ASV Gilgamesh (FFN-708)
-ASV Perseus (FFN-709)
-ASV Goliath (FFN-720)
ASV Denali Battle Group
-ASV Sawfish (FFN-110)
-ASV Fearless (FFN-521)
-ASV Reprisal (FFN-534)
-ASV Intrepid (FFN-551)* [34]
-ASV Lively (FFN-570)
-ASV Sentinel (FFN-676)
-ASV Vishnu (FFN-701)* [35]
-ASV Valhalla (FFN-703)
-ASV Jeroboam (FFN-725)
-ASV Rio Grande (FFN-816)
-ASV Yukon (FFN-862)
-ASV Danube (FFN-906)
ASV Kilimanjaro Battle Group
-ASV Longfin (FFN-125)
-ASV Redwood (FFN-251) [36]
-ASV Freedom (FFN-522)* [37]
-ASV Reliant (FFN-537)
-ASV Relentless (FFN-539)
-ASV Indomitable (FFN-554)* [38]
-ASV Agamemnon (FFN-763)
-ASV Mekong (FFN-801) [39]
-ASV Nile (FFN-802)
-ASV Volga (FFN-808)
-ASV Orinoco (FFN-892)
-ASV Rubicon (FFN-968)
ASV Elbrus Battle Group
-ASV Boa (FFN-084)
-ASV Sturgeon (FFN-130)
-ASV Oarfish (FFN-146)
-ASV Tigershark (FFN-167)
-ASV Oak (FFN-279)
-ASV Georgy Zkukov (FFN-309)
-ASV Repulse (FFN-538)* [40]
-ASV Ardent (FFN-582)
-ASV Vanguard (FFN-654)* [41]
-ASV Yangtze (FFN-804)
-ASV Rhine (FFN-1053)
-ASV Thames (FFN-1064)
ASV Aconcagua Battle Group
-ASV Kaluga (FFN-114)
-ASV Lionfish (FFN-121)
-ASV Swordfish (FFN-129)
-ASV Sailfish (FFN-145)
-ASV Petrel (FFN-203)
-ASV Osprey (FFN-209)
-ASV Furious (FFN-524)
-ASV Victorious (FFN-655)* [42]
-ASV Venerable (FFN-657)* [43]
-ASV Amazon (FFN-803)
-ASV Tiber (FFN-969)
-ASV Tigris (FFN-983)
ASV Mont Blanc Battle Group
-ASV Wolverine (FFN-002)
-ASV Jaguar (FFN-008)
-ASV Ocelot (FFN-012)* [44]
-ASV Alligator (FFN-073)
-ASV Cobra (FFN-081)
-ASV Python (FFN-082)
-ASV Orca (FFN-115)* [45]
-ASV Pike (FFN-149)
-ASV Gherman Titov (FFN-335)
-ASV Daring (FFN-501) [46][47]
-ASV Indus (FFN-805)
-ASV Rio Ebro (FFN-1087)
Miscellaneous commands:
-ASV Vundu (FFN-102)
-ASV Take Notice (FFN-700)
-ASV Zambezi (FFN-836)
-ASV Barracuda (FFN-113)
-ASV Marlin (FFN-126)* [48]
-ASV Snakehead (FFN-118)
-ASV Gharial (FFN-076)
-ASV Bullshark (FFN-153)
-ASV Caiman (FFN-075)
-ASV Arapaima (FFN-101) [49]
-ASV Gar (FFN-148)
-ASV Eagle (FFN-201)
-ASV Skua (FFN-247)* [50]
-ASV Wolf (FFN-001)
-ASV Jackal (FFN-043)
-ASV Serval (FFN-099)* [51]
-ASV Kodiak (FFN-003)
-ASV Lynx (FFN-097)* [52]
-ASV Viper (FFN-083)
-ASV Rattlesnake (FFN-088)
-ASV Caracal (FFN-094)
-ASV Dhole (FFN-090)
-ASV Culpeo (FFN-091)
-ASV Cheetah (FFN-013)* [53]
-ASV Cougar (FFN-014)
-ASV Coyote (FFN-016)
-ASV Bobcat (FFN-020)
-ASV Mamba (FFN-086)
-ASV Anaconda (FFN-085)
-ASV Pavel Popovich (FFN-337)
-ASV Buzz Aldrin (FFN-306)
-ASV Perch (FFN-150)
[1] The ASV Atlantic (class lead) is the first and only carrier-class space vehicle to ever be destroyed, and the largest man-made object to ever be destroyed.
[2] From A Naval History of the Second Battle of Point, 2162:
“Lieutenant Commander Joseluis Gonzalez, F-61 Thor pilot attached to the Atlantic, recounted later in his memoirs, ‘I remember what it was like to see her go down…the eerie silence of it all. The explosion was the largest I’d ever seen, and the cloud of fire seemed to stretch on forever. She was in two great pieces, slowly drifting apart. Then only a few minutes later, her reactors touched off, and the entire aft piece of her was no more.’”
[3] Class lead.
[4] The Kilimanjaro fired the “killing blow” that destroyed the pirated PNI Mobile Rig Alpha, which destroyed the Atlantic and several other ships.
[5] The Atlantic CBG not only lost its flagship, but lost a further eight ships, representing a loss of nearly 40% of its ships (including half of its frigate complement), and more than half of its sailors.
[6] The London was lost with all hands after being hit by three rounds from the modified Mobile Rig Alpha.
[7] Class lead.
[8] Class lead.
[9] The Moscow was damaged extensively in the first hour of the battle; roughly half her sailors were evacuated before another round impacted, destroying her.
[10] Class lead.
[11] Sixty-four crew members survived the destruction of the La Paz.
[12] Lost with all hands after engaging Mobile Rig Alpha. Her Lyle Drive was hit by a round from the rig’s main cannon, causing a chain reaction of explosions that atomized the ship.
[13] Class lead.
[14] Lost with all hands.
[15] Class lead.
[16] Class lead.
[17] First Alliance ship to be lost in the battle.
[18] The Adwa interposed itself between hostile forces and the heavily damaged and beleaguered Dodoma, rescuing the cruiser at the cost of over two hundred of her crew. Her commanding officer received a posthumous Star of Terra, and the entire crew a commendation.
[19] Nearly completely destroyed after a hostile light freighter accelerated to Mike 10 and impacted the Troy amidships; only a total of thirty-nine crew members survived in the extreme fore and aft ends of the ship.
[20] Saint-Mihiel suffered a similar fate as the Troy; fourteen crew members survived after two impacts.
[21] Kili was damaged beyond repair after receiving in excess of thirty forensically confirmed cannon rounds and upwards of a dozen missile impacts.
[22] Lost with all hands.
[23] Rammed Mobile Rig Alpha, disabling one its cannons, for which its commanding officer later received a Star of Terra and her crew a commendation.
[24] Lost with all hands in the explosion of the aft section of the Atlantic; Tharsis had been closing in to engage in rescue and relief efforts.
[25] Critically damaged in explosion of the aft section of the Atlantic; Hannibal had been closing in to engage in rescue and relief efforts.
[26] Critically damaged in explosion of the aft section of the Atlantic; Iroquois had been closing in to engage in rescue and relief efforts.
[27] Lost with all hands.
[28] Lost with all hands.
[29] Destroyed in defense of the ASV Pacific.
[30] Destroyed in defense of the ASV Pacific.
[31] Lost with all hands.
[32] Charged forward and engaged the stolen, rebel-held blank, in order to draw fire away from the crippled cruiser Tehran. Succeeded in delivering a killing blow, directly to the blank’s main cannon, which caused a chain reaction that destroyed the ship. Was damaged beyond repair; commanding officer received a Star of Terra, and the rest of her crew received other commendations.
[33] Lost with all hands.
[34] Lost with all hands.
[35] Class lead; destroyed early in the battle.
[36] Class lead.
[37] Head of engineering received Star of Terra after taking command of the critically damaged Freedom after the deaths of the CO, XO, and other command personnel, and directing the ship to ram an enemy ship pursuing the damaged destroyer Gura.
[38] Delivered the killing blow to three enemy held frigates in a knife-fight engagement with an enemy formation. Commanding officer posthumously received Star of Terra, and her crew received other commendations.
[39] Class lead.
[40] Repulse was ordered by her commanding officer to ram the ventral side of enemy ship, which resulted in the enemy ship being disabled, but subsequent hits to the Repulse, in addition to damage from the ramming, resulted in her being damaged beyond repair.
[41] Last ship to be destroyed in the course of the battle, but with the survival of three hundred thirty of the three hundred fifty crew.
[42] Destroyed while screening the withdrawal of the critically damaged destroyer Salta.
[43] Lost with all hands.
[44] Lost with all hands.
[45] Orca was split in two when a large round struck her amidships; miraculously only ten sailors died.
[46] Class lead.
[47] The Daring lost fourteen class sisters during the course of the battle; the heroics of the Daring herself, and the sacrifice of other Daring-class frigates, are the subject of a popular colonial folk song.
[48] Destroyed attempting to intercept Mobile Rig Alpha.
[49] Class lead.
[50] Lost with all hands.
[51] Collided at high speeds with the Lynx after sustaining multiple hits, including one that passed clean through both sides of the ship – passing the bridge on its way.
[52] The Serval impacted her, disabling her main cannon and killing over one hundred crew.
[53] Lost with all hands.
Carriers: 2
-ASV Atlantic (CVN-8)* [1][2]
-ASV Pacific (CVN-9)
Battleships: 6
-ASV Everest (BBN-15) [3]
-ASV Denali (BBN-16)
-ASV Kilimanjaro (BBN-21) [4]
-ASV Elbrus (BBN-23)
-ASV Aconcagua (BBN-24)
-ASV Mont Blanc (BBN-27)
Cruisers: 38 (32 as part of Carrier Battle Groups and Battle Groups)
ASV Atlantic Carrier Battle Group [5]
-ASV London (CCN-144)* [6]
-ASV Dublin (CCN-152)
-ASV Dakar (CCN-167)
-ASV Halifax (CCN-209)
ASV Pacific Carrier Battle Group
-ASV Seattle (CCN-218)
-ASV Canberra (CCN-241)
-ASV Tokyo (CCN-301) [7]
-ASV Seoul (CCN-305)
ASV Everest Battle Group
-ASV Hyderabad (CCN-170)
-ASV Bangalore (CCN-173)
-ASV Lhasa (CCN-312)
-ASV Lahore (CCN-315)
ASV Denali Battle Group
-ASV Whitehorse (CCN-204)
-ASV Yellowknife (CCN-207)
-ASV Juneau (CCN-217)
-ASV Anchorage (CCN-219)
ASV Kilimanjaro Battle Group
-ASV Nairobi (CCN-190) [8]
-ASV Mombasa (CCN-191)
-ASV Dodoma (CCN-193)
-ASV Kigali (CCN-194)
ASV Elbrus Battle Group
-ASV Moscow (CCN-263)* [9]
-ASV Volgograd (CCN-265)
-ASV Baku (CCN-277)
-ASV Tbilisi (CCN-279)
ASV Aconcagua Battle Group
-ASV Buenos Aires (CCN-91) [10]
-ASV Santiago (CCN-94)
-ASV La Paz (CCN-103)* [11]
-ASV Brasilia (CCN-114)
ASV Mont Blanc Battle Group
-ASV Luxembourg (CCN-131)
-ASV Cologne (CCN-148)
-ASV Paris (CCN-186)
-ASV Lyons (CCN-187)
Miscellaneous commands:
-ASV Berlin (CCN-147)* [12]
-ASV Colorado Springs (CCN-211)
-ASV Merced (CCN-220)
-ASV Tehran (CCN-233)
-ASV Vladivostok (CCN-264)
-ASV Kyoto (CCN-303)
Destroyers: 60 (48 as part of Carrier Battle Groups or Battle Groups)
ASV Atlantic Carrier Battle Group
-ASV Normandy (DDN-301) [13]
-ASV Stalingrad (DDN-302)
-ASV Bastogne (DDN-311)
-ASV Vimy Ridge (DDN-651)* [14]
-ASV Ypres (DDN-657)
-ASV Agincourt (DDN-843)
ASV Pacific Carrier Battle Group
-ASV Iwo Jima (DDN-401) [15]
-ASV Guadalcanal (DDN-402)
-ASV Okinawa (DDN-404)
-ASV Peliliu (DDN-407)
-ASV Midway (DDN-461)
-ASV Coral Sea (DDN-466)
ASV Everest Battle Group
-ASV Zhuolu (DDN-501) [16]
-ASV Kunyang (DDN-507)
-ASV Kalinga (DDN-534)
-ASV Ramnagar (DDN-539)
-ASV Irawaddy (DDN- 563)
-ASV Imphal (DDN-589)
ASV Denali Battle Group
-ASV Anzio (DDN-332)
-ASV Caen (DDN-340)
-ASV Torch (DDN-365)
-ASV Aleutian Islands (DDN-470)* [17]
-ASV Attu (DDN-475)
-ASV Scheldt (DDN-604)
ASV Kilimanjaro Battle Group
-ASV Carthage (DDN-708)
-ASV Shimbra Kure (DDN-715)
-ASV Kirina (DDN-738)
-ASV Gura (DDN-763)
-ASV Adwa (DDN-764)* [18]
-ASV Gondar (DDN-780)
ASV Elbrus Battle Group
-ASV Gallipoli (DDN-661)
-ASV Troy (DDN-800)* [19]
-ASV Megiddo (DDN-822)
-ASV Gaugamela (DDN-835)
-ASV Halicarnassus (DDN-847)
-ASV Chaldiran (DDN-878)
ASV Aconcagua Battle Group
-ASV Ayacucho (DDN-903)
-ASV Maipú (DDN-909)
-ASV Salta (DDN-917)
-ASV Boyacá (DDN-923)
-ASV Vargas Swamp (DDN-930)
-ASV Montevideo (DDN-934)
ASV Mont Blanc Battle Group
-ASV Verdun (DDN-611)
-ASV Ardennes (DDN-614)
-ASV Somme (DDN-616)
-ASV Antwerp (DDN-631)
-ASV Marne (DDN-655)
-ASV Saint-Mihiel (DDN-670)* [20]
Miscellaneous commands:
-ASV Belleau Wood (DDN-640)
-ASV Huoyi (DDN-251)
-ASV Songzhou (DDN-254)
-ASV Aksu (DDN-881)
-ASV Tarain (DDN-591)
-ASV Jalandhar (DDN-593)
-ASV Kili (DDN-594)* [21]
-ASV Nagaur (DDN-597)
-ASV Chaul (DDN-889)
-ASV El Alamein (DDN-303)
-ASV Chosin Reservoir (DDN-480)
-ASV Khe Sanh (DDN-491)
Frigates: 128 (96 as part of Carrier Battle Groups or Battle Groups)
ASV Atlantic Carrier Battle Group
-ASV Rodger Young (FFN-303)
-ASV Montgomery (FFN-337)
-ASV Horatius (FFN-405)* [22]
-ASV Bellerophon (FFN-423)* [23]
-ASV Tharsis (FFN-434)* [24]
-ASV Hendrik Lorentz (FFN-457)
-ASV Meriwether Lewis (FFN-463)
-ASV Hereward the Wake (FFN-470)
-ASV Hannibal (FFN-485)* [25]
-ASV Iroquois (FFN-496)* [26]
-ASV Resolute (FFN-531)
-ASV Maelstrom (FFN-686)* [27]
ASV Pacific Carrier Battle Group
-ASV Magellan (FFN-481)
-ASV Chinook (FFN-497)
-ASV Tempest (FFN-502)
-ASV Dauntless (FFN-503)
-ASV Impeccable (FFN-552)* [28]
-ASV Avenger (FFN-581)* [29]
-ASV Pioneer (FFN-682)* [30]
-ASV Osiris (FFN-712)
-ASV Minotaur (FFN-790)
-ASV Euphrates (FFN-806)
-ASV Champlain (FFN-1105)
-ASV Sirocco (FFN-1157)
ASV Everest Battle Group
-ASV Leopard (FFN-051)
-ASV Mako (FFN-151) []
-ASV Defiant (FFN-512)
-ASV Interceptor (FFN-556)* [31]
-ASV Devastation (FFN-606)
-ASV Vigilance (FFN-651)
-ASV Venture (FFN-653)* [32]
-ASV Tenacious (FFN-673)
-ASV Endeavour (FFN-685)* [33]
-ASV Gilgamesh (FFN-708)
-ASV Perseus (FFN-709)
-ASV Goliath (FFN-720)
ASV Denali Battle Group
-ASV Sawfish (FFN-110)
-ASV Fearless (FFN-521)
-ASV Reprisal (FFN-534)
-ASV Intrepid (FFN-551)* [34]
-ASV Lively (FFN-570)
-ASV Sentinel (FFN-676)
-ASV Vishnu (FFN-701)* [35]
-ASV Valhalla (FFN-703)
-ASV Jeroboam (FFN-725)
-ASV Rio Grande (FFN-816)
-ASV Yukon (FFN-862)
-ASV Danube (FFN-906)
ASV Kilimanjaro Battle Group
-ASV Longfin (FFN-125)
-ASV Redwood (FFN-251) [36]
-ASV Freedom (FFN-522)* [37]
-ASV Reliant (FFN-537)
-ASV Relentless (FFN-539)
-ASV Indomitable (FFN-554)* [38]
-ASV Agamemnon (FFN-763)
-ASV Mekong (FFN-801) [39]
-ASV Nile (FFN-802)
-ASV Volga (FFN-808)
-ASV Orinoco (FFN-892)
-ASV Rubicon (FFN-968)
ASV Elbrus Battle Group
-ASV Boa (FFN-084)
-ASV Sturgeon (FFN-130)
-ASV Oarfish (FFN-146)
-ASV Tigershark (FFN-167)
-ASV Oak (FFN-279)
-ASV Georgy Zkukov (FFN-309)
-ASV Repulse (FFN-538)* [40]
-ASV Ardent (FFN-582)
-ASV Vanguard (FFN-654)* [41]
-ASV Yangtze (FFN-804)
-ASV Rhine (FFN-1053)
-ASV Thames (FFN-1064)
ASV Aconcagua Battle Group
-ASV Kaluga (FFN-114)
-ASV Lionfish (FFN-121)
-ASV Swordfish (FFN-129)
-ASV Sailfish (FFN-145)
-ASV Petrel (FFN-203)
-ASV Osprey (FFN-209)
-ASV Furious (FFN-524)
-ASV Victorious (FFN-655)* [42]
-ASV Venerable (FFN-657)* [43]
-ASV Amazon (FFN-803)
-ASV Tiber (FFN-969)
-ASV Tigris (FFN-983)
ASV Mont Blanc Battle Group
-ASV Wolverine (FFN-002)
-ASV Jaguar (FFN-008)
-ASV Ocelot (FFN-012)* [44]
-ASV Alligator (FFN-073)
-ASV Cobra (FFN-081)
-ASV Python (FFN-082)
-ASV Orca (FFN-115)* [45]
-ASV Pike (FFN-149)
-ASV Gherman Titov (FFN-335)
-ASV Daring (FFN-501) [46][47]
-ASV Indus (FFN-805)
-ASV Rio Ebro (FFN-1087)
Miscellaneous commands:
-ASV Vundu (FFN-102)
-ASV Take Notice (FFN-700)
-ASV Zambezi (FFN-836)
-ASV Barracuda (FFN-113)
-ASV Marlin (FFN-126)* [48]
-ASV Snakehead (FFN-118)
-ASV Gharial (FFN-076)
-ASV Bullshark (FFN-153)
-ASV Caiman (FFN-075)
-ASV Arapaima (FFN-101) [49]
-ASV Gar (FFN-148)
-ASV Eagle (FFN-201)
-ASV Skua (FFN-247)* [50]
-ASV Wolf (FFN-001)
-ASV Jackal (FFN-043)
-ASV Serval (FFN-099)* [51]
-ASV Kodiak (FFN-003)
-ASV Lynx (FFN-097)* [52]
-ASV Viper (FFN-083)
-ASV Rattlesnake (FFN-088)
-ASV Caracal (FFN-094)
-ASV Dhole (FFN-090)
-ASV Culpeo (FFN-091)
-ASV Cheetah (FFN-013)* [53]
-ASV Cougar (FFN-014)
-ASV Coyote (FFN-016)
-ASV Bobcat (FFN-020)
-ASV Mamba (FFN-086)
-ASV Anaconda (FFN-085)
-ASV Pavel Popovich (FFN-337)
-ASV Buzz Aldrin (FFN-306)
-ASV Perch (FFN-150)
[1] The ASV Atlantic (class lead) is the first and only carrier-class space vehicle to ever be destroyed, and the largest man-made object to ever be destroyed.
[2] From A Naval History of the Second Battle of Point, 2162:
“Lieutenant Commander Joseluis Gonzalez, F-61 Thor pilot attached to the Atlantic, recounted later in his memoirs, ‘I remember what it was like to see her go down…the eerie silence of it all. The explosion was the largest I’d ever seen, and the cloud of fire seemed to stretch on forever. She was in two great pieces, slowly drifting apart. Then only a few minutes later, her reactors touched off, and the entire aft piece of her was no more.’”
[3] Class lead.
[4] The Kilimanjaro fired the “killing blow” that destroyed the pirated PNI Mobile Rig Alpha, which destroyed the Atlantic and several other ships.
[5] The Atlantic CBG not only lost its flagship, but lost a further eight ships, representing a loss of nearly 40% of its ships (including half of its frigate complement), and more than half of its sailors.
[6] The London was lost with all hands after being hit by three rounds from the modified Mobile Rig Alpha.
[7] Class lead.
[8] Class lead.
[9] The Moscow was damaged extensively in the first hour of the battle; roughly half her sailors were evacuated before another round impacted, destroying her.
[10] Class lead.
[11] Sixty-four crew members survived the destruction of the La Paz.
[12] Lost with all hands after engaging Mobile Rig Alpha. Her Lyle Drive was hit by a round from the rig’s main cannon, causing a chain reaction of explosions that atomized the ship.
[13] Class lead.
[14] Lost with all hands.
[15] Class lead.
[16] Class lead.
[17] First Alliance ship to be lost in the battle.
[18] The Adwa interposed itself between hostile forces and the heavily damaged and beleaguered Dodoma, rescuing the cruiser at the cost of over two hundred of her crew. Her commanding officer received a posthumous Star of Terra, and the entire crew a commendation.
[19] Nearly completely destroyed after a hostile light freighter accelerated to Mike 10 and impacted the Troy amidships; only a total of thirty-nine crew members survived in the extreme fore and aft ends of the ship.
[20] Saint-Mihiel suffered a similar fate as the Troy; fourteen crew members survived after two impacts.
[21] Kili was damaged beyond repair after receiving in excess of thirty forensically confirmed cannon rounds and upwards of a dozen missile impacts.
[22] Lost with all hands.
[23] Rammed Mobile Rig Alpha, disabling one its cannons, for which its commanding officer later received a Star of Terra and her crew a commendation.
[24] Lost with all hands in the explosion of the aft section of the Atlantic; Tharsis had been closing in to engage in rescue and relief efforts.
[25] Critically damaged in explosion of the aft section of the Atlantic; Hannibal had been closing in to engage in rescue and relief efforts.
[26] Critically damaged in explosion of the aft section of the Atlantic; Iroquois had been closing in to engage in rescue and relief efforts.
[27] Lost with all hands.
[28] Lost with all hands.
[29] Destroyed in defense of the ASV Pacific.
[30] Destroyed in defense of the ASV Pacific.
[31] Lost with all hands.
[32] Charged forward and engaged the stolen, rebel-held blank, in order to draw fire away from the crippled cruiser Tehran. Succeeded in delivering a killing blow, directly to the blank’s main cannon, which caused a chain reaction that destroyed the ship. Was damaged beyond repair; commanding officer received a Star of Terra, and the rest of her crew received other commendations.
[33] Lost with all hands.
[34] Lost with all hands.
[35] Class lead; destroyed early in the battle.
[36] Class lead.
[37] Head of engineering received Star of Terra after taking command of the critically damaged Freedom after the deaths of the CO, XO, and other command personnel, and directing the ship to ram an enemy ship pursuing the damaged destroyer Gura.
[38] Delivered the killing blow to three enemy held frigates in a knife-fight engagement with an enemy formation. Commanding officer posthumously received Star of Terra, and her crew received other commendations.
[39] Class lead.
[40] Repulse was ordered by her commanding officer to ram the ventral side of enemy ship, which resulted in the enemy ship being disabled, but subsequent hits to the Repulse, in addition to damage from the ramming, resulted in her being damaged beyond repair.
[41] Last ship to be destroyed in the course of the battle, but with the survival of three hundred thirty of the three hundred fifty crew.
[42] Destroyed while screening the withdrawal of the critically damaged destroyer Salta.
[43] Lost with all hands.
[44] Lost with all hands.
[45] Orca was split in two when a large round struck her amidships; miraculously only ten sailors died.
[46] Class lead.
[47] The Daring lost fourteen class sisters during the course of the battle; the heroics of the Daring herself, and the sacrifice of other Daring-class frigates, are the subject of a popular colonial folk song.
[48] Destroyed attempting to intercept Mobile Rig Alpha.
[49] Class lead.
[50] Lost with all hands.
[51] Collided at high speeds with the Lynx after sustaining multiple hits, including one that passed clean through both sides of the ship – passing the bridge on its way.
[52] The Serval impacted her, disabling her main cannon and killing over one hundred crew.
[53] Lost with all hands.
MONITOR SQUADRONS: [1]
1st Monitor Squadron “Little Rascals” [2]
-ASV Bum Rush (MN-006)
-ASV Glasgow Kiss (MN-011)
-ASV Kilroy Was Here (MN-023)
-ASV Big Stick (MN-027)*
-ASV Two For Flinching (MN-034)*
-ASV Do You Feel Lucky? (MN-038)*
-ASV Point of No Return (MN-045)
-ASV Walk of Shame (MN-049)
2nd Monitor Squadron “Wolfpack”
-ASV Spirit in the Sky (MN-053)
-ASV Kissing Bandit (MN-055)
-ASV Ticket to Ride (MN-056)
-ASV This Machine (MN-058)
-ASV Ghost of Tom Joad (MN-059)
-ASV Screw Loose (MN-061)*
-ASV Youthful Indiscretion (MN-066)
-ASV Cranky (MN-069)
4th Monitor Squadron “Scalp Takers”
-ASV Character Building (MN-003)
-ASV Strong Silent Type (MN-015)
-ASV Charity (MN-017)
-ASV Divine Intervention (MN-021)
-ASV Six Little Friends (MN-026)
-ASV Colony Drop (MN-029)
-ASV Stiff Sinews (MN-032)*
-ASV Our Island (MN-035)
7th Monitor Squadron “Lucky Sevens” [3]
-ASV Red Rock (MN-024)
-ASV Say Hey (MN-025)
-ASV Rolling Rock (MN-044)
-ASV Shower Daily (MN-063)*
-ASV Foehammer (MN-070)
-ASV Widowmaker (MN-071)*
-ASV Fall Down Go Boom (MN-082)*
-ASV Herald (MN-101)
9th Monitor Squadron “Wild Weasels”
-ASV We’ll Meet Again (MN-031)
-ASV Law of the Jungle (MN-054)
-ASV Shelter In Place (MN-057)
-ASV Learning Curve (MN-073)
-ASV Concerned Citizen (MN-074)
-ASV An Elegant Weapon (MN-077)
-ASV Agua Fria (MN-095)*
-ASV Chaotic Neutral (MN-106)
12th Monitor Squadron “Best In Show”
-ASV Highly Against Protocol (MN-091)
-ASV Shot At Dawn (MN-092) *
-ASV Big Lick (MN-100)
-ASV Kill Hat (MN-112)
-ASV He Ain’t Heavy (MN-116)
-ASV Sweet Nothings (MN-123)
-ASV Size Isn’t Everything (MN-137) *
-ASV Preventative Measures (MN-146)
13th Monitor Squadron “Black Cats”
-ASV Plot Twist (MN-079)
-ASV Low Road (MN-086)
-ASV Dead As Good Friday (MN-104) *
-ASV Ugly Finder (MN-108)
-ASV Tax Form (MN-109)
-ASV That’s All Folks (MN-113)
-ASV Joyful Noise (MN-139)
-ASV High-functioning Alcoholism (MN-150)
15th Monitor Squadron “Bounty Hunters” [4]
-ASV Bond (MN-007)
-ASV Conversation Skills (MN-087)
-ASV Glass Jaw (MN-099)
-ASV Concealed Carry (MN-111)
-ASV Jango and Boba (MN-125) *
-ASV Golden Skate (MN-132) *
-ASV Sunday Punch (MN-136)
-ASV Iron Horse (MN-144)
[1] The Alliance Navy Monitor Fleet (famous for its feats of daring when being referred to politely; “suicidal antics” when not) detachment to the invasion force is credited with upwards of two hundred kills during the engagement, and assisting with countless more.
[2],[3],[4] The First, Seventh, and Fifteenth Monitor Squadrons carried out the orbital bombardment of Savannakhet Mai.
1st Monitor Squadron “Little Rascals” [2]
-ASV Bum Rush (MN-006)
-ASV Glasgow Kiss (MN-011)
-ASV Kilroy Was Here (MN-023)
-ASV Big Stick (MN-027)*
-ASV Two For Flinching (MN-034)*
-ASV Do You Feel Lucky? (MN-038)*
-ASV Point of No Return (MN-045)
-ASV Walk of Shame (MN-049)
2nd Monitor Squadron “Wolfpack”
-ASV Spirit in the Sky (MN-053)
-ASV Kissing Bandit (MN-055)
-ASV Ticket to Ride (MN-056)
-ASV This Machine (MN-058)
-ASV Ghost of Tom Joad (MN-059)
-ASV Screw Loose (MN-061)*
-ASV Youthful Indiscretion (MN-066)
-ASV Cranky (MN-069)
4th Monitor Squadron “Scalp Takers”
-ASV Character Building (MN-003)
-ASV Strong Silent Type (MN-015)
-ASV Charity (MN-017)
-ASV Divine Intervention (MN-021)
-ASV Six Little Friends (MN-026)
-ASV Colony Drop (MN-029)
-ASV Stiff Sinews (MN-032)*
-ASV Our Island (MN-035)
7th Monitor Squadron “Lucky Sevens” [3]
-ASV Red Rock (MN-024)
-ASV Say Hey (MN-025)
-ASV Rolling Rock (MN-044)
-ASV Shower Daily (MN-063)*
-ASV Foehammer (MN-070)
-ASV Widowmaker (MN-071)*
-ASV Fall Down Go Boom (MN-082)*
-ASV Herald (MN-101)
9th Monitor Squadron “Wild Weasels”
-ASV We’ll Meet Again (MN-031)
-ASV Law of the Jungle (MN-054)
-ASV Shelter In Place (MN-057)
-ASV Learning Curve (MN-073)
-ASV Concerned Citizen (MN-074)
-ASV An Elegant Weapon (MN-077)
-ASV Agua Fria (MN-095)*
-ASV Chaotic Neutral (MN-106)
12th Monitor Squadron “Best In Show”
-ASV Highly Against Protocol (MN-091)
-ASV Shot At Dawn (MN-092) *
-ASV Big Lick (MN-100)
-ASV Kill Hat (MN-112)
-ASV He Ain’t Heavy (MN-116)
-ASV Sweet Nothings (MN-123)
-ASV Size Isn’t Everything (MN-137) *
-ASV Preventative Measures (MN-146)
13th Monitor Squadron “Black Cats”
-ASV Plot Twist (MN-079)
-ASV Low Road (MN-086)
-ASV Dead As Good Friday (MN-104) *
-ASV Ugly Finder (MN-108)
-ASV Tax Form (MN-109)
-ASV That’s All Folks (MN-113)
-ASV Joyful Noise (MN-139)
-ASV High-functioning Alcoholism (MN-150)
15th Monitor Squadron “Bounty Hunters” [4]
-ASV Bond (MN-007)
-ASV Conversation Skills (MN-087)
-ASV Glass Jaw (MN-099)
-ASV Concealed Carry (MN-111)
-ASV Jango and Boba (MN-125) *
-ASV Golden Skate (MN-132) *
-ASV Sunday Punch (MN-136)
-ASV Iron Horse (MN-144)
[1] The Alliance Navy Monitor Fleet (famous for its feats of daring when being referred to politely; “suicidal antics” when not) detachment to the invasion force is credited with upwards of two hundred kills during the engagement, and assisting with countless more.
[2],[3],[4] The First, Seventh, and Fifteenth Monitor Squadrons carried out the orbital bombardment of Savannakhet Mai.
"In the aftermath of the orbital bombardment, Alliance Naval High Command, after receiving instructions from the President, ordered Rear Admiral Grayson to relieve Admiral Reddy of command, and to send him under escort back to the Presidio. Reddy remained there while a formal investigation was initiated, and recommended that the matter proceed to a court-martial..."
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Alright, I'll bite.
Unrelated: What's the general procedure of space combat?
Why (in terms of tactical utility) and how (in terms of negating all this) are fighters a thing here?
Unrelated: What's the general procedure of space combat?
Monitors are small, slow, unarmored ships with a lot of big guns, IRL. Is that the meaning here?
I think fighters have a utility in space combat, for a couple of different reasons.
1)In a big engagement like the Battle of Point, this capability isn't as important, but: swarms of fighters create mobile, alternate firing positions that can fire simultaneously with bigger ships, and a defender has to deal with and account for all of them. A missile is a missile no matter what platform it comes from. If a big ship fires a swarm of missiles from one direction in the plane of battle, missiles coming a dozen different directions, and from different planes of the battlespace, could get past point-defense and damage critical systems. Maybe your battle group has 15 ships; that's fifteen points cannon missile fire can originate from. Add fighters into the mix, and that dozens of additional firing points. They're also, obviously, lower-priority targets. If, in a "crowded" battlespace like Point, the focus of a defender is on a battleship, three destroyers, and a dozen frigates, a fighter could slip in a shot that degrades the effectiveness of that defender, and make it easier for someone else to make the kill.
1a)Related to this, "confusing" a battlespace from the POV of an enemy is a useful thing.
2)Interceptors. Having an additional platform to take out incoming fire will never not be useful, especially when that platform is in a different position and possibly a different plane of the battlespace.
3)Level/tier of response. Maybe that batteship/cruiser/destroyer/frigate cannon can vaporize your enemy in one shot, but maybe that's not what you're after. Since prior to this, much of the Navy's role was pirate/crime suppression, having more than a hammer is useful since every problem isn't a nail.
4)Related to the above, in any military situation, it's just generally useful to have as many options available as possible. It's why they still train jarheads like me to use bayonets, and issue them sometimes. Ideally I'd want to shoot an enemy, and shoot them from as far away as possible, but if I can't do that for whatever reason, it's sure nice to have the bayonet.
A quick summary of space combat from the POV of the Alliance:
-Stay as far away as is feasible and appropriate for a given situation and set of goals.
-Gain/maintain fire superiority from three different "directions." Position A; Position B, at a 90 degree offset from A; and Position C, at a "vertical" 90 degree offset from A and B. This way, you take advantage of the three dimensional battlespace, and are also never firing towards your own ships. This is a by the book, ideal way a battle is supposed to go; doesn't always work out that way.
-Mobility is key no matter the distance.
-Make sure to not cook in your own waste heat or static buildup.
Monitors are small, fast, maneuverable (all relative terms in this context) lightly armored ships, with a big gun, that always operate at minimum in groups of four.
Addendum: Exist as a platform for me to give things cool names.
Well the glaring question is what killed Clinton?
Did the 2007/8 recession occur? Who did McCain face off against in 08?
TheHolyInquisition
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What does a missile entail here?
Cannon PD instead of lasers?
No means of area-denial or large radius weaponry to swat multiple at once?
Bayonets are a bad comparison. Fighters are far more complex and expensive.
Also, these are good explanations as to why, but not to how.
Are these drones, or otherwise piloted by something that doesn't incur ludicrous amounts of penalty mass and hard-cap acceleration?
Roughly like gunboats, or torpedo boats?
Well of course.
Firstly, I appreciate the questions and the interest. These types of exchanges are very helpful.
Like fighters, monitors function basically as fire superiority craft/fire superiority supplements. But they have different roles and way in which they accomplish that.
Monitors are basically a cannon with engines, but even in that capacity, they are much larger than fighters. That increase in size means a more powerful weapons platform. When in concert as four-ship sections, but more often as the eight-ship full squadron, monitors are ship killers that utilize "wolfpack" tactics in order to do so (U-boats in space). The increase in size is also an increase in durability, though not on the order of even a frigate.
Fighters aren't ship killers, not on their own anyway, outside of a lucky shot or in very large groups. They're missile platforms primarily, and degrade a target's capabilities to make it easier for someone else to go for the kill. They also have roles, like interceptors, that monitors don't fill.
Additionally, a duplication of capabilities/roles is a common thing in the military, so having two different things that have similar missions is an attempt to maintain military realism.
Once again, thanks for the questions.
Bog-standard sci-fi missile; a guided, self-propelled munition with a warhead.
Point-defense is done by cannons, though what I was referring to in that sentence was the main armament of a warship. On a meta-note, I like kinetics better for aesthetic purposes, in additional to what I feel are practical notions.
Not at the scale of most fight or the distances doctrine dictates. Situationally or if something has gone wrong/a mistake has been made, a large enough explosion could take out more than one target.
I think I disagree. You're right of course that a fighter is more complex and expensive than a bayonet, but compared to a capital ship, they're cheaper and less complex, like a bayonet is cheaper and less complex than a rifle. Additionally, the point of the comparison was more that it's a good thing to have multiple methods of engaging an enemy.
Any explanation of "how" would fall short because I have a weak science background, and most of what of the research I have done goes right over my head. The setting vacillates between hard and soft sci-fi dependent on what I like and what is convenient for me as the storyteller, with the proviso that I try to have it follow a consistent internal logic; I'd describe the setting as having a "firm" shell that contains a soft, creamy filling with little crunchy bits here and there. I realize that's weak, but that's what I've got (this is where the old-style embarrassed emoji would go, because it gets across the emotion I'm trying to convey much better than any of the new ones, but alas).
Kinda. Here's something I just posted in the other thread that I hope explains it better.
Like fighters, monitors function basically as fire superiority craft/fire superiority supplements. But they have different roles and way in which they accomplish that.
Monitors are basically a cannon with engines, but even in that capacity, they are much larger than fighters. That increase in size means a more powerful weapons platform. When in concert as four-ship sections, but more often as the eight-ship full squadron, monitors are ship killers that utilize "wolfpack" tactics in order to do so (U-boats in space). The increase in size is also an increase in durability, though not on the order of even a frigate.
Fighters aren't ship killers, not on their own anyway, outside of a lucky shot or in very large groups. They're missile platforms primarily, and degrade a target's capabilities to make it easier for someone else to go for the kill. They also have roles, like interceptors, that monitors don't fill.
Additionally, a duplication of capabilities/roles is a common thing in the military, so having two different things that have similar missions is an attempt to maintain military realism.
Once again, thanks for the questions.
First off: awesome. Love all the detail.
Couple of questions though: just how big is the alliance military? And for that matter, how did they justify having such a big military? From what I've gleaned the rebels only really had a fleet when they stole a whole bunch and the ak wernt really on the scene when I imagine the buildup begun. So how was it sold to the public?
January 21, 1994: Ronald Gene Barbour, a retired military officer and freelance writer, plotted to kill Clinton while the President was jogging.
Yes, the recession occur and McCain faced Biden.
Hope that answers you questions, did you like my wikibox?
Hulkster'01: 1968 Republican presidential primaries
The 1968 Republican presidential primaries were the selection process by which voters of the Republican Party chose its nominee for President of the United States in the 1968 U.S. presidential election. Governor of California Ronald Reagan was selected as the nominee through a series of primary elections and caucuses culminating in the 1968 Republican National Convention held from August 5 to August 8, 1968, in Miami Beach, Florida.
The United States presidential election of 1968 was the 46th quadrennial presidential election, held on Tuesday, November 5, 1968. The Republican nominee, Governor of California Ronald Reagan, defeated the Democratic nominee, incumbent Vice President Hubert Humphrey. Analysts have argued the election of 1968 was a major realigning election as it permanently disrupted the New Deal Coalition that had dominated presidential politics for 36 years.
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Thanks, Angry_scottsman! I appreciate the kind words.
I don't have a firm number of personnel for the Alliance military, but in a word: big. I have an idea of the Alliance Navy sitting somewhere in the 800+ capital ship range as of the start of this war, with plans to build that up to a thousand; this in addition to support ships, monitors, space stations, etc. I wrote "The Alliance and the Perpetual War Economy" article which delves into some of the why and how the military, especially the Navy is so large. Besides the Navy, the Alliance itself also maintains a Marine Corps and Army. In addition to these forces, the Treaty of Adelaide puts the militaries of the Earth-based members at the disposal of the Alliance.
You remember correctly that rebel forces carried out a terrorist attack that was also the biggest theft in human history in order to furnish more combat power for their fleet, which even afterwards was still mostly composed of repurposed civilian ships. You also remember correctly that first contact with the ak only happened in 2146. So prior to those more recent events, I would say the size of the military was justified by these events:
1)The 2108 colonial rebellion was a foundational event of the Alliance (the war was prosecuted by the then UEG, but the stresses of the war resulted in its reformation as the Alliance). This has left a strong impression on the cultural memory, as did the lengthy occupation of the outer colonies.
2)The Navy's role as the primary piracy/smuggling/etc./ suppression force.
3)Even the Alliance's corner of the Orion Arm is still a huge amount of territory to police, patrol, and defend, and so a large military, especially navy, is necessary. The Alliance attempts to maintain control of over forty colony worlds and countless space stations and other installations. This means a big footprint.
So take all that, and add simmering tension in a lot of "eastern colonies," and the discovery that we're truly not alone in terms of extant civilizations about two decades prior to 2162, and you have the rationale for the large military.
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